#meta 2019-07-03

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gRegorLove Aw, no etherpad notes for Looking at Pretty Sites?
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[Slackbot]1 Aw, no etherpad notes for Looking at Pretty Sites?
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gRegorLove wat
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[Slackbot]1 wat
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[tantek] maybe links were posted in the channel?
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[aaronpk] I think I heard that was the case
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[aaronpk] Photos are coming along! I'm very excited to post them hopefully tomorrow
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gRegorLove What's with the slackbot echo?
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[Slackbot]1 What's with the slackbot echo?
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aaronpk no idea
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@toshity1980 https://indieweb.org/The-Open-Graph-protocol#Does_not_support_SVG_images ひ・・ひひい・・・ (twitter.com/_/status/1146280594718056448)
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aaronpk -ch
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aaronpk erm
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@m_ott ↩️ Or if you want to host the site in a “traditional” way but on a web hosting service instead of a server, there are many providers that let you pre-install WordPress (e. g. @SiteGround) or other CMSs – even the IndieWeb CMS @withknown. (twitter.com/_/status/1146327844236201984)
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@voxpelli ↩️ Då tex GitHub hostear dem gratis åt en är det ett väldigt smidigt ekosystem att anpassa sig efter, vilket jag tex gör med mina IndieWeb-tjänster (Webmention och Micropub) Min sajt har växt till lite av ett Jekyll-monster templatemässigt, men finns här: https://github.com/voxpelli/voxpelli.github.com (twitter.com/_/status/1146368736355594240)
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@voxpelli ↩️ @jocke @pelles Mina två större IndieWeb-projekt som lirar bra med statiska sidor: https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-webmentions https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-micropub-to-github (twitter.com/_/status/1146369272870051840)
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@cswordpress Oh yeah, and this podcast is #indieweb capable. https://twitter.com/makingbetterpod/status/1146417177131724800 (twitter.com/_/status/1146433622204919809)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Wow, thanks for pointing this out! Was commenting at #IndieWeb organizing meeting that we have a strong #a11y presence, especially among people who use screen readers. Would love to learn more about your voice and journey. Maybe make a… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/07/03/cswordpress-wow-thanks-for-pointing-this-out (twitter.com/_/status/1146439406309531648)
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@katharinabrx ↩️ Thanks! That’s a good info. Trying out this indieweb stuff is the main goal I have for my site right now (twitter.com/_/status/1146448569844555777)
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+49) "/* Amsterdam */ typos, can help organize wiki and some outreach" (view diff)
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@IndieWebLife The IndieWeb outside of Facebook is full of opportunities https://www.godaddy.com/garage/indieweb-facebook-opportunities/ (twitter.com/_/status/1146449300462944256)
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[tantek] [tonz] found your email in your Slack profile and just cc'd you on IWC AMS planning email from my co-worker Sandra who is organizing View Source 🙂
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[tantek] 2019 << https://twitter.com/superorganism__/status/1145016777421643776
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/superorganism__/status/1145016777421643776" to the "See Also" section of /2019 https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63228&oldid=63193
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[tantek] 2019 << https://twitter.com/superorganism__/status/1145026905428463617
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/superorganism__/status/1145026905428463617" to the "See Also" section of /2019 https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63229&oldid=63228
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[tantek] 2019 << https://twitter.com/atmlutter/status/1145028580851748864
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/atmlutter/status/1145028580851748864" to the "See Also" section of /2019 https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63230&oldid=63229
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[tantek] 2019 << https://twitter.com/superorganism__/status/1145029906402705408
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/superorganism__/status/1145029906402705408" to the "See Also" section of /2019 https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63231&oldid=63230
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[tantek] 2019 << https://twitter.com/superorganism__/status/1145030399287951365
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/superorganism__/status/1145030399287951365" to the "See Also" section of /2019 https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63232&oldid=63231
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[tantek] 2019 << https://twitter.com/superorganism__/status/1145839546463948800
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/superorganism__/status/1145839546463948800" to the "See Also" section of /2019 https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63233&oldid=63232
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aaronpk just chopped up the personal site demo video
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aaronpk trimmed out all the gaps between speakers
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aaronpk 40 minutes of actual content!
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GWG aaronpk
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GWG aaronpk++
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[tantek] amazing
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aaronpk i wish we had theme music that i could use in the outros
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aaronpk but i can't even think of one of my 100 songs that would be appropriate
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@cswordpress In reply to @jgmac1106 regarding #Indieweb and #a11y: https://www.customerservant.com/in-reply-to-jgmac1106-regarding-indieweb-and-a11y/ (twitter.com/_/status/1146459172336283648)
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Loqi [KevinMarks]: [tantek] left you a message on 2019-04-17 at 7:23pm UTC: add yourself and spread the word with London folks! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Brighton
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Loqi [KevinMarks]: [tantek] left you a message on 2019-04-24 at 5:52am UTC: Is anyone that you know of in the IndieWeb community (like you!) participating in IIW 28 on 2019-04-30?
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Loqi [KevinMarks]: sknebel left you a message on 2019-05-01 at 4:17pm UTC: IWC Oxford: https://deploy-preview-14--wonderful-panini-7c4e6c.netlify.com/#2019:4-indiewebcamp
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[KevinMarks] you could use dramatic stock music like Google does
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[tantek] lol welcome back KevinMarks 🙂
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@kevinmarks with #instagramdown I'm thankful that I used ownyourgram to post my photos on my own site: http://known.kevinmarks.com/content/photos/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1146459963679748096)
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aaronpk i mean... https://100.aaronparecki.com/audio/Day80.mp3?download
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[tantek] outros?
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aaronpk like the end of each video clip over the applause
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[KevinMarks] that has the right feel
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[KevinMarks] google high drama dogwalk: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/1141355159320244225
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@kevinmarks Google Photos made a dramatic movie trailer from my dog walk (with music) but I think it needs a voiceover script. Suggestions? https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/1141355159320244225/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/1141355159320244225)
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[tantek] aaronpk, a lot of videos have an actual *video* outro right? with some sort of logomark and/or text naming/summarizing the event to remind people of the context
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[tantek] URL to view more about the event
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[tantek] that sort of thing
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aaronpk yeah, we should do an animation next yar
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aaronpk year
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aaronpk i'm putting the indiewebcamp logo in the outro at least
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[tantek] next year might be worth some special branding for the 10th
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk alright that was a productive flight
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aaronpk shutting down now, hope to finish these up and get them published when i get home this afternoon!
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[KevinMarks] leweb had a particularly extra animation the year I did it
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[tantek] I like the minimal animation intro/outro that BTConf did *during* the conference.
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[tantek] aaronpk, any inspiration you can get for our videos from the BTConf videos?
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aaronpk I'll review those again and see if there's an easy way to do something similar
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gRegorLove I was thinking last night about tinkering with a graphic with "10" and the IWC logo, something I could share as part of a save the date invite.
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gRegorLove animation would be awesome
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[tantek] an IWS 10 logo would make for a great teaser
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[Rose] As a note, it's really easy to make animations in Keynote with magic move. I can talk people through it if anyone wants to use that to work on one for IWS next year (which I hope to be at!). (Probably best suited to chat)
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[tantek] We had a really good distribution (nearly even?) among folks interested in the different day 2 sessions this year at Summit
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[tantek] I'd like to see us continuing to reach a more approachable IndieWeb, better onramps for beginnners and/or those who wish to prioritize time using over time hacking / maintaining
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[tantek] easier onramps and lower admintax
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[tantek] one thing that could use review (inspired indirectly by the "ProGram" starting post), we should make sure nothing beginner asks any use of a command line or "CLI", and in general avoid describing any getting started steps with "simply" because rare if ever are any of those steps actually "simple" by any common understanding
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[tantek] another yellow-flag to look for, use of the word "just" as an emphasis to any CTA step, as it implies simplicity / ease when doing so is both not necessarily true, and may result in new folks attempting it criticizing themselves when it's not simple or easy
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[tantek] (when it's literally not their fault)
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sebsel We havily rely on 'just simply' editing HTML though.
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sebsel That's in a lot of explanations too now.
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[tantek] It's been a long learning experience
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[tantek] If only we would simply stop using simply or just 😫
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sebsel !meme One does not simply stop using just
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/51LdHZjz.jpg
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[tantek] oh no
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gRegorLove Related: I was volunteering for an event and someone asked if I was part of the organization running it, I said "no, I'm just a volunteer." They said I shouldn't say "just" because it unnecessarily diminishes. It was a large event and wouldn't go smoothly if not for the volunteers.
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aaronpk ^^
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[tantek] Indeed, I think that's perhaps a way the term invades conscious usage of otherwise well-meaning individuals, through self-deprecation
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@frankmeeuwsen Morgen nieuws in je mailbox over de Indieweb Summit, de Social Media Strike en decentraal internet in Afrika? Je kunt je nog abonnementeren op mijn nieuwsbrief. Kost niks, is tof. http://nieuws.diggingthedigital.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/1146484866428690433)
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[tantek] how did people feel about the comfort level of the Mozilla space on Saturday and Sunday? like number of people / crowd, temperature, noise levels etc.?
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[tantek] we have 51 sign-ins on day 1, and I think ~35 on day two. Due to in/out I think we were at a peak of ~49 at the same time in the room on day 1, and ~30ish on day two
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[tantek] I'm asking because I'm wondering how much headroom we have to expand the (expected) capacity, e.g. to 60, 75, or more for the 10th anniversary
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[tantek] technically 10th edition. 10th anniversary/birthday would be 10 years after the launch which was 2011.
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aaronpk Counting numbers is hard
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[tantek] off by one errors in particular!
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aaronpk I'm still blown away by 51/60 people attending
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aaronpk maybe 62 registered? Will have to double check
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[tantek] same 😄
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[jared078] [tantek] I think the Mozilla space felt fine this time around, but if the attendance count went up much higher, I think it would get cramped (especially for food breaks).
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gRegorLove Seconded^
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[tantek] would more chairs / seating help? I feel there was a lot of space "behind" the folding wall in the main room that we could have made more efficient use of (with more chairs, perhaps a few rows of folding chairs)
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[tantek] breakfast seemed to scale fine because people didn't all show up right at 9
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[tantek] lunch would have been more challenging day 2 so I'll have to think about that
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[tantek] also curious what people thought of the food & coffee. food was roughly 50% vegetarian, 50% vegan btw
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[jgmac1106] https://archive.org/details/IndieWebBumper1
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jacky [tantek]: is there a form or something to collect this kind of feedback?
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jacky maybe a typeform?
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[jgmac1106] I think people enjoyed the freedom of walking around the kitchen, you can't help any party from gathering around an island, food was excellent
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[jgmac1106] tantek if you think Mozilla maybe too small I can put out to feelers at Portland State University as a possible back up
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aaronpk tbh i would much rather do it at mozilla which is a known quantity than risk a new venue
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[jgmac1106] 100% I loved it there
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[jgmac1106] may just have to set hard tix number
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[jgmac1106] really it would just be the meal time and size of break out rooms but for that size the venue was perfect
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[tantek] what aaronpk said
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[tantek] we have a lot more control and help and known quantities / reliabilities at Mozilla
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[jgmac1106] 100% I thought you were worried about size
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] if you want to seriously consider any other venues, start by getting folks from those venues to be active here in the community
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[tantek] It's not so much "worried about size", it's about a desire to increase our ceiling to provide more opportunities to more people
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[jgmac1106] I don't thought it was fine. Just thought you were saying you were worried about size for 10th. Everything worked perfect at Mozilla
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[jgmac1106] ahh got it
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[tantek] as a rough goal, I'd like to figure out the potential to scale up to 100
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[tantek] and what changes that would require
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aaronpk at mozilla?
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[tantek] i.e. beyond space, but also time, e.g. intros & demos
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[tantek] aaronpk, yes at Mozilla. For example we could fill-up the main room, and then use the combined B & C rooms as an "overflow" room to gain additional "all event" capacity
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[tantek] for keynotes, intros, demos etc.
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aaronpk i'm pretty sure we could fit 100 into the main space if we arrange it right
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[tantek] for example we easily had enough breakfast for 70 (counting leftovers on day 1 and 2)
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[tantek] we did however demolish the pizza on day 2
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[jgmac1106] wonder what actual fire marshall limit is, has to be a hard number for each room
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[tantek] fortunately pizza scales well. you can stack the disks 🙂
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[jgmac1106] pizza vs tofu....pizza wins
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[jgmac1106] Pizza scales, awesome
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] the tofu scrambles were *very* popular
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[jgmac1106] I know I hate 17 plates
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[jgmac1106] ate not hate
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[tantek] there are many people who just don't eat eggs (beyond vegans)
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[tantek] aaronpk, yes, I think "arrange it right" is key
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aaronpk and fitting 100 seats will require more advance planning than we did this time. we'll need an actual plan to get the seats into and out of that arrangement
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aaronpk but i think we can do it
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[tantek] exactly
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[tantek] If we had the "same laptop" setup for folks demoing their sites, we could fit ~fifty 60sec demos in an hour
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aaronpk the dividing wall worked really well for the breakout sessions too
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[tantek] I thought so too, the sound isolation was better than expected
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aaronpk yeah totally. i was reviewing the videos just now, and turns out two minutes is actually a long demo, and most people didn't use the full 2 minutes
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[tantek] we could do 60sec, hard stop at 90
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aaronpk (or if they did, it was because they needed the time to switch AV)
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[tantek] and I'm guessing that would actually capture what most people demo'd this year
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[tantek] right, remove the AV switching time and nearly everyone would be under 90s
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[tantek] ooh I have an idea
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[tantek] either "use same podium laptop" or we have a Lightning cable input that people can show a mobile/iPad demo if they need to be logged in / etc.
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[tantek] to start encouraging folks to "make mobile work well" on their personal sites
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aaronpk hmm
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[tantek] we'd have to have both "ready to go" at the podium, and be able to switch quickly between the two inputs
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jacky mobile++
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jacky what really? no mobile love? lol
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aaronpk that does limit to iOS only
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[tantek] we could also do them in chunks, a bunch of mobile demos, a bunch of Lightning demos
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jacky I _think_ you can do USB-C video out on Android
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jacky checks
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[tantek] does Android support USB-C yet?
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[tantek] lol
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aaronpk does it work as quickly/seamlessly as iOS?
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jacky I have a device that uses USB-C
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jacky that's the internal question
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aaronpk or is it gonna be like laptops which are a mess of HDMI handshakes?
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[tantek] right, we'd have to test that USB-C mobile projecting actually doesn't suck
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aaronpk another option (requires someone on high alert staffing the demo line)
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[tantek] HDMI made the situation worse than VGA
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aaronpk we queue up the next presenter while the current person is demoing
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[tantek] oh yeah, and literally swap A / B back & forth
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aaronpk the way that AV setup works the device can do its handshake ahead of time and I can confirm that from the AV booth too
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aaronpk and then switch instantly
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aaronpk there are actually two HDMI ports at the podium I learned
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[tantek] if we did that right, it might be *even* faster than all on one laptop, because they could have their URL typed in and loaded ready to go
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jacky hm I don't see anything immediately about it. next 'best' option would be miracast / chromecast from android screen
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aaronpk ah right chromecast
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aaronpk that would work too
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[tantek] ok let's do that. we need a dedicated volunteer role to help at the podium
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jacky it = USB_C video out
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aaronpk that's gonna be a dedicated volunteer role with at least an hour of training before hand
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aaronpk on-site training preferably
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[tantek] 10 min training, 5 min practice 🙂
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[tantek] onsite required
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aaronpk wonders if he can become a mozilla contractor starting in may next year to get access to everything on site early
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jacky haha
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[tantek] lolol
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[tantek] or I literally plan a May trip to Portland just for this purpose
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aaronpk not a bad idea!
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[tantek] to get everything dialed-in for Summit 2020
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[jgmac1106] ....or encourage someone from community to apply for the next leaders cohort...and then they will be on site
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[tantek] and we do a test-run of all the IT requirements (exception captioning, now that we know how that can work)
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aaronpk i'm also curious how their zoom setup might change between now and then
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[tantek] who <!here> is based in Portland besides aaronpk? Interesting in helping run a HWC PDX?
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aaronpk oh, meta-meta point about the videos. so i'm publishing my own recordings of the keynotes rather than the videos from zoom, for two reasons, one of which is that the audio from the zoom recording sounds like a telephone
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[tantek] ^^^ [jgmac1106] if someone answers, then yes, otherwise, you're welcome to try outreach to get more Portland folks participating in the community
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[tantek] oooh good point about zoom aaronpk. or rather, PDX's "zoomish" setup
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[tantek] that's going to be an issue next year too
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aaronpk i think it's actually a zoom issue, not the bridge
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aaronpk the recordings i make of my own presentations for work sound the same
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jacky like changing the audio encoding or something?
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aaronpk it's highly compressed optimized for voice audio
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[tantek] I don't think so. Our Mozilla Weekly Project meetings don't have this problem (and they're based on Zoom now)
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[jgmac1106] but having a separate audio feed and matching to video...ick...time...
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] no one is saying separate feed ?!?
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aaronpk hmm maybe? are those public?
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[jgmac1106] wondering if we can just record locally using the machine connected to Zoom as back up...cool worried solution was a vzm mic or something
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[tantek] aaronpk yes and all linked from their wiki pages
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] let's not brainstorm this here unless you've got AV recording / archiving experience with an example setup of doing so that you think could work
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gRegorLove The main MozPDX space might fit 100 but what about breakout space?
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[tantek] aaronpk weekly public archives for years: https://wiki.mozilla.org/WeeklyUpdates
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aaronpk don't forget you're talking to someone who literally does this professionally ;-) I have no shortage of equipment and experience doing this
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aaronpk lol "July 1th, 2019"
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aaronpk cool will take a look through these
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gRegorLove That bumper video... is... is that audio Saved by the Bell?
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[tantek] thx aaronpk, fixed 🙂
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aaronpk ok i'd have to confirm by joining the zoom link during the next live call, the one that says don't join unless you're presenting, but i'm 99% sure they are streaming to youtube separately from zoom which is why the audio is good
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aaronpk notice there is no zoom UI cruft in the recordings
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[tantek] that's possible
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[tantek] There should be AirMo archives posted for the Summit too for Sat 10-12, and Sun 16:00-18:00
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[tantek] now see if you can find them in that UI 🙂
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aaronpk whoa there is
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aaronpk that's ... something
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[jgmac1106] gRegorLove yeah an 8-bit version of the theme song made for a schmarty easter egg while back, I use one without the sound as my video poster
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[jgmac1106] find no sound poster easier editing tax than always remembering intro and outro
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[tantek] gRegorLove can you add your play list blog post to https://indieweb.org/2019#Blog ?
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[tantek] [cleverdevil]'s post would be good to add there too
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gRegorLove Sure
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[tantek] Thanks gRegorLove, [cleverdevil]
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[tantek] I tried to add a few but there are so many! If folks could take a look at https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=indieweb%20OR%20indiewebcamp%20OR%20indiewebsummit while it is still fresh with (mostly) tweets about the Summit, and add them to /2019 using the see also shortcut syntax that would be great!
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gRegorLove chrisaldrich++ for putting domains in chat during IWS intros
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@JamieTanna ↩️ @MicaSophieBell And #HomebrewWebsiteClub on Wednesday! https://www.jvt.me/events/homebrew-website-club-nottingham/2019/07/10/ (twitter.com/_/status/1146538563225493506)
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gRegorLove A couple of those I didn't get great notes for so leaving stub on it until we can go through the video
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