#meta 2019-07-09

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[tantek] what is a playlist
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Loqi A playlist represents a collection of audio or video of some significance to the list's creator https://indieweb.org/playlist
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aaronpk I see nothing in the UI that suggests how to add an item to a playlist, or how to create a playlist
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aaronpk overall I am not very impressed with the UX around uploading stuff to archive.org
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aaronpk talk about a dev-heavy UI
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[tantek] playlist << Example: Internet Archive supports (at least audio) playlists with a nice UI to skip to next/prev track which changes the URL accordingly for the specific track/episode! https://archive.org/details/playlist_20160215
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Loqi ok, I added "Example: Internet Archive supports (at least audio) playlists with a nice UI to skip to next/prev track which changes the URL accordingly for the specific track/episode! https://archive.org/details/playlist_20160215" to a new "See Also" section of /playlist https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63426&oldid=63183
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loqi.me edited /playlist (+235) "[tantek] added "Example: Internet Archive supports (at least audio) playlists with a nice UI to skip to next/prev track which changes the URL accordingly for the specific track/episode! https://archive.org/details/playlist_20160215" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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aaronpk yeah I give up
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aaronpk if anyone can find instructions I am all ears
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[tantek] looking
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[tantek] I literally did this in HTML5+JS like 9 years ago but have completely forgotten how 😂
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[tantek] "this" - autoplay across a sequence of HTML5 video assetts
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aaronpk I mean that's another option, but i'd really rather not go there
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aaronpk I will say this is definitely one of the downsides of not using youtube for our videos
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[tantek] not go to indie playlist posts?
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aaronpk there's a lot of UI development and maintenance that would need to go into that
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[tantek] I'm very tempted to do a one-off blog post that recreates this
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aaronpk please do :) I have no interest in maintaining that JS on my site :)
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[jgmac1106] aaronpk this is the closest to a playlist on archive.org https://archive.org/details/knownandreclaim
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aaronpk is that 5 files uploaded into the same "item"?
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[jgmac1106] you eithe rupload everything all at once or if it is like a podcast (I host all mine on archive.org you click on edit event
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[tantek] I'm thinking more along the lines of putting the code here into a blog post: http://thenewcode.com/909/Create-An-Automatic-HTML5-Video-Playlist
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[jgmac1106] yes but you can return to an item and add files
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[jgmac1106] tantek and that is where I was saying you need to chande the word detail to download in the url to any video
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aaronpk should I not have uploaded these individually?
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[tantek] playlist << Possible How To for a Video Playlist post on your own site that plays a series of video files (ogg, mp4, ...) http://thenewcode.com/909/Create-An-Automatic-HTML5-Video-Playlist
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Loqi ok, I added "Possible How To for a Video Playlist post on your own site that plays a series of video files (ogg, mp4, ...) http://thenewcode.com/909/Create-An-Automatic-HTML5-Video-Playlist" to the "See Also" section of /playlist https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63428&oldid=63426
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[tantek] aaronpk, no I think you did the right thing
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[jgmac1106] probably not a rigth or wrong answer
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[jgmac1106] what tantek said
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[jgmac1106] it is way easier for average user to share one file then to know how to share a video in a playlist
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[tantek] ^^^ this
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aaronpk ok that was my next question
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[jgmac1106] yeah they only provide you an iframe embed to embed using html5 you have to get the url of the specific video and then alter the link
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[jgmac1106] this https://archive.org/details/knownandreclaim/TutorialFiveSiteConfiugration.mp4 has to become this https://archive.org/download/knownandreclaim/TutorialFiveSiteConfiugration.mp4
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[tantek] we can't put raw JS on the wiki, can we?
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[tantek] I'm assuming not, for *reasons*
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[jgmac1106] tantek I did this but no js autoplay, of course if I just embed the iframe then the autplay will work: https://jgregorymcverry.com/hwcpagetutorial.html
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Loqi [J. Gregroy McVerry] Video Guide to HWC Pages
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[jgmac1106] looks like I messed a bit of CSS on the first one
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[jgmac1106] i havent played with the favorites feature on archive.org which is for building collections wonder what you can do with that
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[tantek] playlist << Another possible How To for an audio playlist post on your own site that plays a series of audio files like mp3s http://devblog.lastrose.com/html5-audio-video-playlist/
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Loqi ok, I added "Another possible How To for an audio playlist post on your own site that plays a series of audio files like mp3s http://devblog.lastrose.com/html5-audio-video-playlist/" to the "See Also" section of /playlist https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63429&oldid=63428
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[tantek] alright that's enough notes for now, thinking a "binge watch IWS 2019" post could do well on Friday early morning (for our EU & UK friends) for folks that want to spend Saturday (or their Friday night) catching up on all things IndieWeb Summit
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[KevinMarks] Playlist should be an html element. You need the browser to do it to make it seamless.
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[KevinMarks] I mean, you can do it with low level audio code and js but that's crazy
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aaronpk wha?
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[KevinMarks] To do playlists seamlessly, you need to concatenate audio samples, which is a bit fine grained for js.
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[KevinMarks] It should be simple and declarative, but it's been made messy for years.
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[KevinMarks] SMIL omg
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aaronpk I disagree completely seeing as the vast majority of video and audio players do not cross fade between items
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[tantek] Kevinmarks no I did it seamlessly back in 2010 with JS
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[tantek] there's various things you can do with preloading etc.
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[tantek] that being said, it should be doable declaratively rather than depending on JS, thus I agree there should be a declarative mechanism (perhaps a new element if that's really needed)
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[KevinMarks] You can do it with small seams, but if you try to play through an album where the tracks are continuous you hear gaps.
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[KevinMarks] I've been building clunky sequence engines for 30 years...
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[tantek] in practice playlists on the internet are not albums
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[tantek] they're like mix tapes
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[tantek] for example: https://gregorlove.com/2019/06/here-is-the-playlist-i-made/ 😄
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] Here is the playlist I made for IndieWeb Summit 2019: “Awake”, Tycho “Me the Machine”, Imogen Heap “Shout”, Scandroid “Computer Love”, Kraftwerk “Light On”, Maggie Rogers “Joy Rides”, MUTEMATH “A Praise Chorus”, Jim...
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[KevinMarks] No, they're made as single file through mixes.
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[tantek] yeah that's true 😞
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[KevinMarks] If you care about seamlessness
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[tantek] or rather, they made "as a soundcloud"
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[KevinMarks] Yeah
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@zmoglesby @ulyssesapp please support Micropub as a publishing format! It’s a W3C spec, https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/ https://indieweb.org/Micropub (twitter.com/_/status/1148394902876827648)
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[KevinMarks] They can be indie http://www.andrewmarks.media/2015/marks-mix-21-about-damn-time
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[tantek] back to the Internet Archive kludginess
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[tantek] since that was the actual meta topic (IWS videos)
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[KevinMarks] Hm. But that one died
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[tantek] it is *bad* to require that individual tracks/episodes be specifically uploaded to a "playlist" item
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[tantek] bad design that is
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aaronpk Yes
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aaronpk because that limits each item to exist in only one playlist
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[tantek] it is quite common in music mixtapes that the same track is in multiple mixes
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[tantek] 🙂
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aaronpk For our videos we could easily make a few different playlists. Keynotes only, dev track, Wordpress track, design track, etc
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aaronpk especially including related videos from different IWCs
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[KevinMarks] pours one out for QuickTime agaib
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@jackyalcine ↩️ Lol that’d be wild! So I’m posting from my site first then sending it to Twitter using this IndieWeb service called https://brid.gy. (https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/7f62d450-a814-4287-be1d-745697c0ca14) (twitter.com/_/status/1148396250213101568)
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[tantek] considering one of those ironic comparison tables of "Stranger Things Season 3" and "IndieWeb Summit 9"
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[tantek] jacky++ my goodness that thread 🤦‍♂️
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Loqi jacky has 21 karma in this channel over the last year (78 in all channels)
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@jgmac1106 So in #IndieWeb chat I said I was built for binging. @schmarty came back and said it should be the tile of my memoir or something. @t then suggested a run of Breaking Badges...so naturally I had to make this: http://jgregorymcverry.com/breakingbadges.html #OpenBadges (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/2hWI9f) (twitter.com/_/status/1148396981343199232)
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[tantek] 🤦‍♂️😂 I really need to not just idly chat every clever naming idea/pun that comes to mind
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[jgmac1106] why not? we just have to come up with fun ways to turn them into memes
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[jgmac1106] realized my last movie poster was for IWC Online and had an h-event embedded
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sebsel Oh, so, freek.dev is the second member of Spatie.be that starts using Webmention. They are kind of big in the Laravel community, so pretty sure more people will follow
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sebsel also, too bad that they reduced Webmentions to having Twitter on their site, but hey, that's a thing too.
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sebsel Do we need some outreach of getting that nuance across before the Laravel devs jump on bridgy? :P
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sebsel hm, also, it's not that bad... he's not actually saying that it's just that. He says he has them, and then one way to use it https://twitter.com/freekmurze/status/1148377805815767041
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@freekmurze Webmentions are now active on my blog. If you like, respond to or retweet this tweet, your interaction will, after a few minutes, be displayed on https://freek.dev/1390-improving-assertions-on-laravel-fakes (twitter.com/_/status/1148377805815767041)
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aaronpk Just start commenting on the post by sending webmentions directly :-)
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sebsel Can't see it in the chatlogs, but there is whitespace between those sentences :)
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aaronpk I didn't actually read that as webmentions=Twitter
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sebsel haha, that's the best way, indeed
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aaronpk but bridgy is a very compelling reason to add webmention support and also something easy to demonstrate
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sebsel yea, because then a lot of people support a form of webmention. With native, you can only interact with a bunch of IndieWeb nerds atm.
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[KevinMarks] My known webmention didn't show up
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@calum_ryan Website owners of London — it’s Homebrew Website Club tomorrow from 7pm at ProvenDough Deli+Bar (Covent Garden). Come along and we’ll work on our personal sites together. https://indieweb.org/events/2019-07-10-homebrew-website-club (https://calumryan.com/note/2874) (twitter.com/_/status/1148517088321032192)
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@depone Morgen trifft sich wieder der Homebrew Website Club in Karlsruhe. Komm vorbei und bastle mit uns an Deiner Webseite: https://indieweb.org/events/2019-07-10-homebrew-website-club#Karlsruhe #HWC #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1148546636886487040)
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[schmarty] Zoom vulnerabilities, yikes. https://medium.com/@jonathan.leitschuh/zoom-zero-day-4-million-webcams-maybe-an-rce-just-get-them-to-visit-your-website-ac75c83f4ef5
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[cleverdevil] Been following that [schmarty] and the part that really bums me out is that Zoom seems completely unaware of how foolish their response has been.
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[Rose] And their "oh yeah we scripted something so users in Safari don't have to click "OK" every time, lolz security" thing really bugs me.
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[cleverdevil] Same.
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[cleverdevil] Saving a click at the expense of privacy/security is just plain foolish.
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[cleverdevil] “But, this is our product differentiator!”
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[cleverdevil] Grosssssss.
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[Rose] "And we're not the only ones doing it!" - so, it's _not_ a differentiator?
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[cleverdevil] Heh, good point.
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@tchambers The #indieweb and Microblog should reach out to Center for Humane Tech, both efforts goals are very alligned. https://humanetech.com/about-us/#primary (twitter.com/_/status/1148615575637245952)
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@withknown We believe everyone has the right to define their own identity. We don't just stand for an independent web: we stand for an independent world, where everyone can represent themselves on their own terms and build safe, nurturing communities. #indieweb is the future. (twitter.com/_/status/1148701594424229889)
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@wordcamprocny WordPress and the IndieWeb: Why You Should Own Your Voice - Join @DavidWolfpaw at #WCROC - we can't wait for his talk! https://2019.rochester.wordcamp.org/session/wordpress-and-the-indieweb-why-you-should-own-your-voice/ (twitter.com/_/status/1148708247869775876)
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@css IndieWeb and Webmentions https://css-tricks.com/indieweb-and-webmentions/ https://t.co/B63QJCfjgq (twitter.com/_/status/1148708426643648513)
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@vj_digital_au IndieWeb and Webmentions https://css-tricks.com/indieweb-and-webmentions/ https://t.co/AIhPbo8bYb (twitter.com/_/status/1148708784262602753)
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@giglobus css: IndieWeb and Webmentions https://css-tricks.com/indieweb-and-webmentions/ https://t.co/hkrNseWijf (twitter.com/_/status/1148709186093670400)
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@bashooka IndieWeb and Webmentions: https://ift.tt/2xFXWoi (twitter.com/_/status/1148710742218215424)
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@feedpushr IndieWeb and Webmentions https://css-tricks.com/indieweb-and-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1148711229986357248)
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@webdevtweetz "IndieWeb and Webmentions" - https://ift.tt/2xFXWoi #dev (twitter.com/_/status/1148711468403179521)
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@DengSip #css #tips IndieWeb and Webmentions https://ift.tt/2xFXWoi (twitter.com/_/status/1148711597562572801)
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@jackyalcine Alright, this is for whomever has time. After the @indiewebcamp Homebrew Website Meetup at Mozilla tomorrow in SF, I'mma head to Oeste for a few birthday shots. DM me if you wanna know when. (twitter.com/_/status/1148712983062728704)
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@PixelPerfectGuy IndieWeb and Webmentions http://dlvr.it/R86LqR https://t.co/n40QKfhlhL (twitter.com/_/status/1148716986001608704)
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jacky woah
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@Bird7G IndieWeb and Webmentions #WebDesign #atomicdesign https://css-tricks.com/indieweb-and-webmentions/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/1148719486096367616)
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jacky oh shit
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jacky Chris Coyer
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jacky probably shouldn't curse in logged channels D:
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@FreyaGeorge3 IndieWeb and Webmentions https://ift.tt/2xFXWoi (twitter.com/_/status/1148720509800132608)
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@ROXCODEOFFICIAL IndieWeb and Webmentions https://ift.tt/2xFXWoi #webdevelopers https://t.co/7GzQKjD3NQ (twitter.com/_/status/1148720586501304327)
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@sometechwork Css Trick-ed: IndieWeb and Webmentions http://bit.ly/30suxtM #css #tricks #frontend (twitter.com/_/status/1148720606122270721)
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@AlexRodDesign IndieWeb and Webmentions #CSS https://buff.ly/2S7yAZz (twitter.com/_/status/1148721003167723521)
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[zach] well all be, I did not actually expect a response
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jacky lol
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@sigmagfx IndieWeb and Webmentions http://dlvr.it/R86SNx https://t.co/eiInLTCTFd (twitter.com/_/status/1148731331875987456)
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