#meta 2019-07-29

2019-07-29 UTC
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[grantcodes] Anyone who is involved in the indieweb org on github or packagist have any input on: https://github.com/grantcodes/future-micropub-endpoint/issues/1#issuecomment-515968453
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Loqi [grantcodes] Everything here sounds like a good idea to me. I think there might be an argument to be made that `micropub-express` could count as a abstract module, but definitely if the smaller pieces are under the indieweb name then that is more than good eno...
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[grantcodes] We're discussing rules about when stuff can be published to organizations
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[grantcodes] I couldn't find any info with a quick search of the wiki / github org
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www.jvt.me edited /why (+100) "/* Why have your own website */" (view diff)
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snarfed.org edited /statistics (+250) "indie map" (view diff)
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[tantek] [aaronpk] FYI 02:38 today in here "incoming-webhookAPP [2:38 AM] _Due to a high volume of activity, we are not displaying some messages from this incoming webhook integration._"
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[tantek] Aside: underscore meaning italics is one of the dumbest non-intuitive things in Markdown--
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Loqi Markdown has -1 karma in this channel over the last year (-2 in all channels)
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[tantek] anyone <!here> got any more IndieWeb related events planned for July? If not, gonna move July to the past on our /events page so actual Upcoming events this week (e.g. /HWC /Brighton) show up at the top
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aaronpk hmm guess it's time for a real fix
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Loqi aaronpk: [tantek] left you a message 2 days, 16 hours ago: I've booked the MozPDX Commons for 2019-09-04 evening for HWC PDX!
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aaronpk hmm this might be enough reason to finally add IRC->Slack into my gateway project
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tantek.com edited /Events (-15) "move July events to the past, August is here this week!" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+51) "update from /Events" (view diff)
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[tantek] hmm thinking of making a template for cartoon embeddings, especially XKCD
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tantek.com edited /mobile_create (+84) "XKCD cartoon" (view diff)
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[tantek] ^^^ for stuff like that
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[tantek] whoa I just got recommended videos (like a grid of 9) after watching the "welcome" to IndieWeb Summit 2019!
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aaronpk On archive.org?
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[tantek] yeah
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[tantek] took a screenshot
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[tantek] also I fell down a rabbithole looking up t-shirt neckline styles because I couldn't remember what variety we got for Summit
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[tantek] can you tell I'm writing a very late blog post? 😂
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aaronpk Nice
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aaronpk welp so much for avoiding the algorithm
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[tantek] wat. i was using google search
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[tantek] which algorithm?!?
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[tantek] oh the video recommendation thing
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[tantek] I think it's "just" title keyword based. nearly all had "welcome" and "summit" in the title. or another one (from you aaronpk) had "indie web"
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[tantek] keyword association is much less creepy than if you liked that you'll be addicted to this
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aaronpk Still has the potential for turning up undesirable associations
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aaronpk Which was the specific complaint, rather than vague notion of creepiness
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[tantek] much *less* potential than the weird addiction algorithm stuff
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[tantek] also assuming we're deliberate about titling them in boring literal ways, we can control it to some extent
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[tantek] the complaint wasn't *potential* but *actual* undesirable associations
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[tantek] also why does IA have that feature? they don't show ads or have any monetary reason (AFAIK) to increase views of their videos like that
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aaronpk That's what i mean. vs "creepiness" which wasn't the complaint
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[tantek] there were multiple complaints not just one "the"
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[tantek] part of it related directly to YouTube / Google as an org and abusive of content in that way (their monetization thereof)
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[tantek] their hosting of hate-videos was another
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[tantek] association (by way of recommendations) with conspiracy theory or other shallow sensationalist (limbic hijack) content was another
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[KevinMarks] Also setting corporate goals based on maximising minutes watched
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loqi.me created /emergency (+21) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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aaronpk making progress on adding IRC->Slack rate limiting/buffering
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tantek.com edited /emergency (+4) "r--" (view diff)
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[tantek] YouTube << A few summary reasons why NOT to post on YouTube: <br/>1. Dislike of YouTube and/or [[Google]] as companies and how they monetize content in general <br/>2. YouTube hosting of hate videos (specifically high traffic anti-gay videos during Pride month 2019) <br/>3. Associating your content/posts (by way of sidebar, autoplay, and after-viewing recommendations) with conspiracy theory or other shallow sensationalist (limbic hijack) conte
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Loqi ok, I added "A few summary reasons why NOT to post on YouTube: <br/>1. Dislike of YouTube and/or [[Google]] as companies and how they monetize content in general <br/>2. YouTube hosting of hate videos (specifically high traffic anti-gay videos during Pride month 2019) <br/>3. Associating your content/posts (by way of sidebar, autoplay, and after-viewing recommendations) with conspiracy theory or other shallow sensationalist (limbic hijack) conte" to the "See Also" section of /YouTube https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=64008&oldid=62144
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[tantek] so close
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tantek.com edited /YouTube (+169) "why, why not" (view diff)
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aaronpk ok, got it working in my test instance
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[tantek] \o/
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aaronpk only trick is I haven't ported over the IRC->photo code yet
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aaronpk gotta figure out the best (generic) way to do that, since this is open source and theoretically other people are using it