#meta 2019-10-23

2019-10-23 UTC
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+921) "reframe indie wiki as named pages" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+1280) "/* Working On */ improve offline support" (view diff)
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@threatmeter indieweb-post-kinds Plugin up to 1.3.1.0 on WordPress genericons/example.html cross site scripting A vulnerability classified as problematic was found in indieweb-post-kinds Plugin up to 1.3.1.0 on WordPress (WordPress Plugin). Affected by this vulnerabi… https://ift.tt/2PcagXm (twitter.com/_/status/1186898956934156288)
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@threatmeter indieweb-post-kinds Plugin up to 1.3.1.0 on WordPress genericons/example.html cross site scripting: A… https://goo.gl/fb/88HPEo (twitter.com/_/status/1186899170508099584)
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@SecurityMagnate threatmeter: indieweb-post-kinds Plugin up to 1.3.1.0 on WordPress genericons/example.html cross site scripting A vulnerability classified as problematic was found in indieweb-post-kinds Plugin up to 1.3.1.0 on WordPress (WordPress Plugin). Affected by t… https://ift.tt/2PcagXm (twitter.com/_/status/1186900506649780225)
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@SecurityMagnate threatmeter: indieweb-post-kinds Plugin up to 1.3.1.0 on WordPress genericons/example.html cross site scripting: A… https://goo.gl/fb/88HPEo (twitter.com/_/status/1186900512999907328)
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loqi.me created /LewisCowles (+39) "prompted by [Rose] and redirect added by [Rose]" (view diff)
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@Shulab #Vulnerability #Tech #BigData #CyberSec #InfoSec #Security #CyberSecurity #Today #management #hackers:The indieweb-post-kinds plugin before 1.3.1.1 for WordPress has XSS via the genericons/example.html anchor identifier. https://ift.tt/2JdO1fw (twitter.com/_/status/1186901098109505542)
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@adactio ↩️ @zonua You can do it with Wordpress too: https://indieweb.org/WordPress_with_Bridgy https://adactio.com/notes/16001 (twitter.com/_/status/1186938913417547776)
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@adactio ↩️ More on those ideas here: https://indieweb.org It would be fun to have an Indie Web Camp in Dublin some time! https://adactio.com/notes/16003 (twitter.com/_/status/1186940569026736129)
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[tantek] adactio++ ^^^ good thread explaining by doing
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@craigburgess @JamieTanna and #IndieWeb will love this: https://www.vanschneider.com/a-love-letter-to-personal-websites (twitter.com/_/status/1186955797235982338)
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@RosemaryOrchard IndieWebCamp Berlin2 is an all-levels BarCamp-like collaboration in Berlin for two days of keynotes, brainstorming, creating, teaching, and helping gain more control over our data and lives online! (https://wp.me/s5qelV-4706) (twitter.com/_/status/1186975038018334727)
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www.jeremycherfas.net edited /notification (+429) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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@maher275 indieweb-post-kinds Plugin up to 1.3.1.0 on WordPress genericons/example.html cross site scripting https://www.digitalmunition.me/indieweb-post-kinds-plugin-up-to-1-3-1-0-on-wordpress-genericonsexample-html-cross-site-scripting/ (twitter.com/_/status/1186982817609199616)
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GWG Why is that making the rounds all of the sudden...it was fixed 3 years ago
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[tantek] because twitter
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[tantek] [Rose] ^^^ up a few tweets — I guess we've soft-launched Berlin2 now!
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[tantek] since you tweeted it 🙂
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[tantek] cc: [Yulia]
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[Rose] Accidentaly
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[tantek] lol I figured. and that's how stuff ships sometimes
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[tantek] I think we should put a nice photo row of us organizers near the bottom
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[tantek] so people see us and develop familiarity before the camp
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[tantek] will try to come up with some markup & styling
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[aaronpk] Like the keynote speakers from 2018?
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tantek.com edited /citation (+797) "expand dfn to way to look up, add why stub, start How to section using existing markup section" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] Bots will be bots gwg
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@frankmeeuwsen Hoe ga je nu aan de slag met het indieweb op WordPress? In deze eerste post van een serie van 7 (of 8, ligt er een beetje aan...) ga ik stap voor stap door de mogelijkheden en plugins. Overige artikelen volgen spoedig! https://diggingthedigital.com/wordpress-en-het-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/1187020703784230913)
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@mjc3d Holy crap! How have I not heard of this before? https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/1187021659976404994)
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@frankmeeuwsen Hoe ga je nu aan de slag met het indieweb op WordPress? In deze eerste post van een serie van 7 (of 8) ga ik stap voor stap door de mogelijkheden en plugins. Overige artikelen volgen spoedig! https://diggingthedigital.com/wordpress-en-het-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/1187024542293737473)
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@TaylorJadin ↩️ We'll see if I stick with using it. Going to mess around with getting them marked up properly as #IndieWeb bookmark posts. https://indieweb.org/bookmark (twitter.com/_/status/1187038010287820807)
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gregorlove.com edited /Planning (-193) "Berlin2 is planned, rm past IWCs" (view diff)
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gRegorLove [tantek], Did I see you say IWC SF is confirmed? or save the date?
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[tantek] I’ve blocked it out and confirmed adactio is coming too!
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[tantek] Just need to double reserve the rooms at moz
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aaronpk whoa another one this year?
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[tantek] Dec 7-8!
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[tantek] Yeah I know
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GWG [tantek]: Perfect
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GWG So, I can come to SF in December?
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[tantek] Yup. Especially if you can help co-organizer
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[tantek] That goes for you too gregorlove
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gregorlove.com edited /Planning (+95) "/* Planned */ SF!" (view diff)
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gRegorLove There's a slight possibility I can make it; let me figure out some holiday scheduling.
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GWG I will make arrangements
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[tantek] 🙌🙌
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GWG [ta
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GWG [tantek]: Any pre events?
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[tantek] GWG add something to /2019/SF suggesting a pre-camp social and put your name down as interested ;)
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gRegorLove I am pretty sure I'm going to Austin again. Those dates still February 22-23, [manton]?
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GWG Do you realize yesterday I was commenting about having a JetBlue ticket that had to be used by the 15th of December?
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GWG And today... the community has provided
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[tantek] Wow
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@Cambridgeport90 I am wondering whether or not it might not be a bad idea to pick up a book on #Wordpress. as well. Looks kuje U am keeping it as my main presence and then doing with some other #indieweb folks do. Putting #withknown on a subdomain. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1187073707144925184)
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loqi.me created /photo_grid (+178) "prompted by aaronpk and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /File:manton-photo-grid.png "https://manton.org/photos https://indieweb.org/File:manton-photo-grid.png"
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /File:instagram-photo-grid.png "https://www.instagram.com/aaronpk/ https://indieweb.org/File:instagram-photo-grid.png"
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aaronparecki.com edited /photo_grid (+354) "add indieweb and instagram examples" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:Screenshot 2019-10-23 Marty McGuire Recent Photos.jpg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:Screenshot_2019-10-23_Marty_McGuire_Recent_Photos.jpg"
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /File:aaronpk-photo-grid.png "https://aaronparecki.com/photos https://indieweb.org/File:aaronpk-photo-grid.png"
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aaronparecki.com edited /photo_grid (+597) "add me!" (view diff)
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jacky.wtf edited /Lwa (+459) "add planned feature set for Lwa" (view diff)
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christian.hockenberger.us uploaded /File:chobz-photo-grid.jpg "Photo Grid as seen on cho.bz/photos https://indieweb.org/File:chobz-photo-grid.jpg"
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gRegorLove what is Lwa?
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Loqi Lwa is a in-progress social reader by Jacky Alciné at https://lwa.black.af that aims to provide an adaptive approach to rendering social feeds https://indieweb.org/Lwa
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christian.hockenberger.us edited /photo_grid (+522) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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aaronpk [chrisbergr]: https://indieweb.org/wikifying#Step_Four:_Add_a_sparkline
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aaronpk it's not intuitive, but the {{ }} syntax is separate from your user page
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[chrisbergr] Oh, finally understood this sparkline thing 🙂
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aaronpk almost!
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aaronpk it's arcane mediawiki stuff don't worry. i'll fix it up
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aaronpk actually those instructions aren't even very good
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aaronpk heh this makes no sense
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[chrisbergr] Although I've been on the Internet for a long time, I've never before had the experience of editing a wiki page, not to mention dealing with syntax.
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aaronparecki.com created /Template:chrisbergr (+178) "create template" (view diff)
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aaronpk I just copied your sparkline into this template: https://indieweb.org/Template:chrisbergr
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aaronpk (click edit to see what's in it)
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aaronpk now you can use {{chrisbergr}} on wiki pages
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[chrisbergr] Oh, this is great. Thank you 🙂
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aaronpk the instructions on https://indieweb.org/wikifying#Step_Four:_Add_a_sparkline and https://indieweb.org/Template:sparkline really do not make that obvious, heh
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[chrisbergr] https://indieweb.org/sparkline#IndieWeb_Examples is something different. But this thing I've seen on Jeremy's page and also on yours with the graphical statistic is something I wan't to do also.
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aaronpk yeah, it's debatable whether the little mini profile photo on the wiki with the {{ }} syntax is actually a sparkline, but oh well
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[chrisbergr] I'm surprised that David doesn't have a wordpress plugin for this yet ^^
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[tantek] aaronpk it's the terminology that Tufte uses even for things that don't look like little charts
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aaronpk I knew that was going to invoke a tantek
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aaronpk I said it was debatable, not that it was wrong
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[tantek] so I haven't bothered arguing it despite the seeming implication from the components of the name
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[tantek] I agree that the implied meaning of the name is more specific than Tufte's use. decided to just stick with his use since it's his term
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aaronpk even tho his examples include little tiny diagrams, I think stretching that to a photo is a bit much
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[tantek] I don't have his book(s) handy, but he literally defines it as images that fit in a line of text, including the classical diagram of Saturn inline in I think Galileo's text
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[tantek] lineart vs photo I suppose that could be an additional stretch
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aaronpk sure, but at some point common usage overrides the original definition of a word
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[tantek] yeah
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aaronpk anyway this is really not important
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[tantek] the name of the template definitely hurts usability, we've seen plenty of evidence for that
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[tantek] so I'm not unsympathetic
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aaronpk the important thing is that the instructions on https://indieweb.org/wikifying#Step_Four:_Add_a_sparkline are not good
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aaronpk or rather, that paragraph is fine, but what it links to is not
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[tantek] you mean this? https://indieweb.org/Template:sparkline#How_to_make_a_small_h-card_template
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aaronpk yes, it's not clear that's the thing on the page to look at
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aaronpk imo that should be the first thing on the page because that is the most common thing people are going to be reading this page to do
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gRegorLove I think that wikyfing section heading should be changed from "Step Four: Add a sparkline
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gRegorLove " to something more userfriendly, and yeah, link directly to the how-to section on the sparkline template page
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[tantek] yeah
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gRegorLove Maybe even changed on the template how-to section, in case people are like "what's an h-card template?"
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gRegorLove Will think more... don't have immediate alternatives
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aaronpk tbh I actually didn't even realize "make a small h-card template" is the thing I was trying to do when reading the page
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gRegorLove "Set up a template with your avatar, name, and URL"
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aaronpk I gave up on the page and went to my /Template:aaronpk page, copied that, and changed the values
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gRegorLove what is wiki signature?
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Loqi The sparkline template is used to display an inline photo with an optional class attached, e.g. to make a u-photo microformat. It is commonly used to create templates for users to sign their name on event RSVPs or other wiki pages https://indieweb.org/wiki_signature
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gRegorLove Hm, double redirect
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gRegorLove or not, nvm.
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gRegorLove wiki signature could be a friendly term for it too
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[chrisbergr] I guess wiki signature would be helpful if you are familiar with the usage of wikis at all.
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gRegorLove though even that is kind of overloaded, since mediawiki has the four tildes to add your name+timestamp... admittedly not used a lot in the indieweb community
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[chrisbergr] But if someone (like me) is not familiar with it.. Maybe something like "user tag" or "custom user link" would be more self-explanatory
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gRegorLove I combined the minimal h-card sparkline in my signature, perhaps further confusing things? XD https://indieweb.org/Template:sparkline#How_to_include_your_h-card_in_your_wiki_signature
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gRegorLove [chrisbergr], Was the first place you wanted to use it on an event RSVP or an examples section of some other page?
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gRegorLove Or just setting it up as part of getting started
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aaronpk examples section
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[chrisbergr] yes, examples section. Aaron started explaining me this here at 11:30PM
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[chrisbergr] Back when I did the getting started, I didn't understand it and just left it out.
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gRegorLove Gotcha. Good feedback.
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gRegorLove It's underused, but I could maybe expand https://indieweb.org/Template:user to use the sparkline template under the hood... then the "user template" docs wouldn't have to refer to sparkline.
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gRegorLove oh, it already is... it links to the personal site instead of wiki user page.
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gRegorLove I tried to improve the docs for hypothetical updates to the user template: https://indieweb.org/User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox#How_to_set_up_your_user_template
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gRegorLove Feedback appreciated^
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[chrisbergr] This is quite understandable, especially inserting the name and clicking on it to get to the template. But if you are not familiar with the wiki terms, the "sign your name" might be a bit scary. Maybe "set your name" or "put your name" would be less official. Or it's just me and the fact that english isn't my first language.
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gRegorLove How about "A user template allows you to add your name and photo on a wiki page with a link to your user page."?
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gRegorLove "sign your name" does sound pretty formal
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gRegorLove It's a wiki, not a contract :)
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[chrisbergr] That's better. Definitely.
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gRegorLove ok, updated
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[jgmac1106] and people who use wikimedia platforms "sign your name" means something specific
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[jgmac1106] Christian_Hockenberger++
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[chrisbergr] [jgmac1106] this is kind of a signature for a change of the content or in the discussions, right?
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[chrisbergr] [gRegorLove] If the page name remains 'Template:sparkline', the section can also be called 'How to set up your sparkline template'. That's how I understand the context. At the current version it's called 'How to make a small h-card template' and I didn't know that this is what I want because h-card wasn't mentioned above.
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gRegorLove [chrisbergr], Makes sense. I'm thinking this would be a "new" template, so that documentation would be on https://indieweb.org/Template:user and it wouldn't refer to sparklines at all. Then the wikifying page linking to it would have something like "Set up your user template"
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gRegorLove And yes, these are mostly use when linking to people from session notes, examples section, RSVPs on the wiki events, and in brainstorming discussions.
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[chrisbergr] Okay, I guess that would be fine, too. The most important thing is to find your way around starting from "getting started".
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gRegorLove Definitely
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GWG Trying to decide when to arrive/depart SFO and if I should try for both SFO and BER