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GWG_ We didn't do a group photo
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@t Wrapped @IndieWebCamp SF and with that we completed: a record 12 IndieWebCamps this year in 11 cities! https://indieweb.org/cities Watch https://2020.indieweb.org/ for more and sign-up for Austin & Summit in Portland! See you in 2020! #indieweb #openweb https://tantek.com/t53y3 (twitter.com/_/status/1203833737999339520)
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[tantek] GWG it's a group photo sans me. Good enough 🙂
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GWG_ I meant a formal one
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GWG_ Also, don't cross the Golden Gate bridge on an open tour bus
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gRegorLove uh oh
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GWG_ A bit chilly
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@brettkosinski I think I’ve ironed out all the issues and I’m now publishing everything–including notes like this–to my own blog (http://blog.b-ark.ca), feeding into http://micro.blog (http://micro.blog/brettkosinski), auto-syndicating to Twitter! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1203844654451642368)
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@dshanske Waiting for my flight home from IWC SF, the last Indiewebcamp of 2019. There were 13 this year, one online only. I participated in 12 of them, 6 in person. Here’s to more in 2020. (https://di5.us/t/s7) (twitter.com/_/status/1203885673897484288)
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GWG_ And my new Micropub to Micro.blog posse worked on that post
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@MidCenturyCook If you're looking for a new web hosting provider for your content, your project, or your app, check out https://zipperhost.com/. They offer comprehensive solutions at an affordable price. I use their services and I recommend checking them out. #indieweb #webhosting #email (twitter.com/_/status/1203887145313804288)
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@nebel_eule site-deaths - IndieWeb https://nebeleule.de/post/189570879920 (twitter.com/_/status/1204029204473491462)
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@soapdog ↩️ @hackergrrl Have you seen all the stuff indieweb people been doing? You can basically assemble the workflow you described. (twitter.com/_/status/1204033554964996096)
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@apatters A stream-of-consciousness review of the Indie Web's onboarding experience: Update: I did a rough sketch of an alternative Getting Started UI for the IndieWeb WP Plugin which addresses some of these issues.   This is my experience "indieweb... http://zpr.io/gk2ZW (twitter.com/_/status/1204038032485158912)
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@palmin I make apps that I think would appeal to people in the #indieweb community, but how can I advertise that these apps exist? They are obviously not using ad-tech but the websites and podcasts run without sponsorships. Any ideas? (twitter.com/_/status/1204038887053631496)
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@miklb ↩️ My Jekyll IndieWeb project would be a candidate if I’m allowed to self promote. I intend to at some point regardless document using Working Copy & Shortcuts https://github.com/sponsors/miklb (twitter.com/_/status/1204040081260064773)
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@RosemaryOrchard ↩️ You can link them in the IndieWeb wiki on the relevant pages! @indiewebcamp I also mention them at the IndieWebCamps I attend when people ask me about working on iOS :) (twitter.com/_/status/1204044930794098691)
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@palmin ↩️ @RosemaryOrchard @indiewebcamp Thank you. I will do that. (twitter.com/_/status/1204045208175796225)
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@Spellacy ↩️ Great article! I feel the #IndieWeb bears specific mention here. If anybody is interested in learning more about it, then head on over to https://indieweb.org/. (twitter.com/_/status/1204118933810364416)
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[fluffy] So, a thing that often comes up when I’m discussing IndieWeb vs. other approaches to things: people see the indieweb.org website and they don’t get a really good idea of what it *is* or how it helps with interoperability, and if they poke a little harder they give up on it as being “the usual F/OSS protocol mess.”
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[fluffy] example from another slack: “indieweb.org doesn’t appear to have anything other than rah rah on it”
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aaronpk wow
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[fluffy] (context: I was trying to explain how things like micropub would be a good solution for a thing he was trying to consider)
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aaronpk the possible answers to this vary *widely* depending on the target audience
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jacky ^
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jacky and that's kinda hard to do
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aaronpk e.g. are you trying to communicate specs to someone, or user-facing solutions
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jacky I've been eyeballing ghost and their branding/marketing/docs around it
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[fluffy] yeah, and I think there’s a case to be made for making the indieweb.org “onboarding” a lot more practically-minded or something? I dunno
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aaronpk here's a better landing page that talks about specs https://spec.indieweb.org/
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[fluffy] I don’t have answers, just observations.
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jacky [fluffy]: same
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aaronpk ultimately i want a much better walkthrough of all the specs, where the target audience is specifically developers
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[fluffy] spec.iw looks great for folks who are already bought in and want to interop, and I wish I’d known about that page before now!
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jacky we _could_ link to it somehow from the homepage / getting-started
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aaronpk there are some other thoughts about redoing the indieweb.org home page https://indieweb.org/2019/homepage
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jacky goes to check /getting_started first
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[fluffy] Yeah I’m aware of that discussion… I should see where things are at right now
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jacky lol yo case sensitivity is annoyingggg
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[fluffy] I think one of the big turnoffs is that things are pointing to /why which… well, that feels *really* “rah rah,” as my friend puts it 🙂
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aaronpk heh without case sensitivity, mediawiki wants the first letter of every page to be caps
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[fluffy] Using Matrix quotes is a bad idea in this day and age especially with “redpills”
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aaronpk oh that is a good point
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[fluffy] Like at this point, that Morpheus quote makes people sound like Alex Jones.
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[fluffy] “Wake up, sheeple!”
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aaronpk i'm up for dropping that quote from the page
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jacky is hacking something up
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[tantek] It is quite sad & unfortunate that the language / visuals of revolution/rebellion from The Matrix were co-opted by privileged class.
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jacky yeah I've been on the fence about dropping it solely because they use it (there's the ok-sign too that was also a game)
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[tantek] what is why
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/why
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[tantek] so now we lost the summary / dfn though
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aaronpk heh well it wasn't much of a summary anyway
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[tantek] that's not an excuse for making things more broken
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[tantek] I'll try to stub something
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jacky the first sentence there works tbh
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[tantek] what is why
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/why
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[tantek] hmm
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[tantek] what is why
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Loqi There are many reasons why you should use the IndieWeb, from controlling your experience on the web (instead of corporate algorithms), to deciding where and when to post your content and where it goes https://indieweb.org/why
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@roelgroeneveld ↩️ Weer geplaatst met m’n #indieweb Shortcut (iOS), die de afbeelding verkleint en naar je WordPress blog stuurt. Gratis te downloaden natuurlijk. :) https://roel.io/ios-shortcut-photo-blogging/ (twitter.com/_/status/1204140073345789952)
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@depone Am Mittwoch trifft sich wieder der Homebrew Website Club in Karlsruhe. Sei dabei! https://indieweb.org/events/2019-12-11-homebrew-website-club#Karlsruhe #HWC #IndieWeb #Karlsruhe #KarlsruheDigital (twitter.com/_/status/1204149391319322627)
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jacky okay
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jacky I've been messing around with this
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jacky https://hilarious-fox.glitch.me/
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jacky a 'redesign' / re-imagining of the homepage
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jacky it's obviously incomplete lol
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aaronpk i already like the colors better!
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jacky I'm a little afraid that the three columns (esp the red / orange) are hard to read
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aaronpk probably need bright white text instead of the off white
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jacky precisely - editing
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jacky I'll try to finish the homepage and make like _one_ page too
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jacky err
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jacky what's the difference between /posts_about_the_indieweb and /news?
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jacky lol clicking on the former gave my answer actuall
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[tantek] Hopefully you can ask “what is ...” for both and the dfns from Loqi can answer that in general :)
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[jgmac1106] tantek I also wonder though if the Matrix crowd skews both older and male and maybe not the most inclusive quote
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[jgmac1106] I should look at what hues the homepage uses...did the logo colors on elmcitywebmakers...way too much....have been trying different hues
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Loqi it is probable
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[jgmac1106] jacky++ for this https://hilarious-fox.glitch.me/
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Loqi jacky has 28 karma in this channel over the last year (94 in all channels)
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jacky is done tinkering with it
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jacky it should also use system fonts _first_ (as least on macOS, I can't test on Windows b/c I don't have it atm)
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jacky not bad for ~2.5 hrs of tinkering and copy pasting lol
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[jgmac1106] either way I may take it for this: https://goifnetwork.org/ and this https://elmcitywebmakers.com/
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[jgmac1106] You tell the same story but the visual cues and space you add...I just like
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[jgmac1106] I am not a fan of extra unnecessary redundant modifiers, find them extraneous and useless, may lose the authentically, but that is more personal writing preference
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[jgmac1106] Post. Connect. Share just seems more powerful to me
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[jgmac1106] and all jargon gets held to below the fold, creates a good visual separation of audience.
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jacky if I had time
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jacky those bits could be covered with either <abbr> or links to the page to expand on jargon
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[jgmac1106] still nice tinkering
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gRegorLove jacky++ nice work
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Loqi jacky has 29 karma in this channel over the last year (95 in all channels)
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gRegorLove I might prefer a more muted bg color on those columns
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jacky gRegorLove: ahhh yup yup
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jacky adjusted!
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jacky if anyone else wants to edit, I've dropped an invite link in #-chat
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[tantek] Yeah The Matrix is 20 years old so it’s dated and appeals only to a particular segment.
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[tantek] It was powerful and good in its historical context, but hasn’t weathered many modern developments. Some of its messages are still quite applicable (to independence etc), yet overall it’s become mixed packaging
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@marinintim ↩️ 24 дня индивеба: комментарии часть два (немножко Svelte) https://marinintim.com/2019/indieweb/9/ (twitter.com/_/status/1204185730249101312)