#meta 2020-01-23

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@paulywalnuts_
@wencesg says: "we're facing the unethical evolution of many social platforms, but there is a movement called the #IndieWeb that understands you're done with others owning your content and your identity!" https://buff.ly/2pTyo6E #startup
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@mattgorecki
↩️ There’s a whole concept called IndieWeb which is about getting back to the individualism of the 90s web but with more modern concepts for interacting between sites. Basically fuck the homogeneity of Facebook
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@craigburgess
I've booked in the first Homebrew Website Club of the year @Barnsley_DMC 19th February, 6pm-8pm If you're working on your new website this year or wanting to start, it's the perfect time for you. I sometimes just work on blog posts too. #HomebrewWebsiteClub
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@JamieTanna
↩️ Awesome to see the first event posted! In case you've not seen Aaron's post there's now a new IndieWeb events site https://events.indieweb.org/ you're more than welcome to still publish the event on eventbrite but would you also be able to publish to there as… https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2020/01/icaff/
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@__jcmc__
If @LauraKalbag's talk is making you think about your own web presence, go look into the #IndieWeb movement. I'm still new to it because I never have time to work on my blog, but in theory it what I am aiming for! #naconf
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@anna_hax
There's some sound #indieWeb advice from @LauraKalbag here at #naconf 👉 Self host where possible 👉 Post to your own site first, then publish to third party apps 👉 Your site will be better than Medium anyway 😅 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO-ZFywXsAI92It.jpg
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Loqi
Sorry, you have to be listed on https://indieweb.org/irc-people before you can help retweet
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@Loftio
I love hearing @LauraKalbag encourage people to avoid using Medium and instead create your own website #IndieWeb #naconf @naconf
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www.jvt.me
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Loqi
Sorry, you have to be listed on https://indieweb.org/irc-people before you can help retweet
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@JamieTanna
For anyone at #NaConf looking to learn more about owning your data and the #IndieWeb, I recently did a talk about it, with a transcript available at https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/10/20/indieweb-talk/ which will hopefully shed more light! (https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2020/01/p6vvc/)
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@JamieTanna
There are also lots of #HomebrewWebsiteClub events across the world where you can come and build, or enhance, your personal website with something #IndieWeb related - we've got one in Nottingham! https://events.indieweb.org/tag/hwc (https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2020/01/ehcqm/)
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@aral
Also see: Small Tech (https://small-tech.org/about/#small-technology) & Site.js: https://sitejs.org and how we must go beyond #IndieWeb to embrace peer-to-peer systems that are opposed to surveillance capitalism & enable people to communicate privately: https://small-tech.org/research-and-development #SmallTech #naconf
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jgmac1106
We need to get this talk: https://twitter.com/hashtag/naconf?src=hashtag_click from [LauraKalbarg]. Anyone know her? looks great
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aaronpk
Beyond IndieWeb hehe
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jamietanna[m]
I've got a few friends there today, I can ask them to get in touch with her on our behalf?
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jgmac1106
nevermind aligned philosophy and one POSSE slide, but keeping for class
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aaronpk
Her and aral are absolutely aware of us so be careful
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jgmac1106
had no idea, just liked th message
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jgmac1106
thx for heads up
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aaronpk
I'm still blocked by aral on Twitter, I don't know why
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[Rose]
I feel like I missed a lot with being busy the last few months, who is aral?
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[manton]
I've read the slides of a couple of Laura's talks and really enjoyed them. Although yeah, "beyond IndieWeb" in that tweet seems a little off… Let's actually get to the point where everyone is on the IndieWeb before moving beyond it. 🙂
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aaronpk
Don't worry, lots of old history there, no need to dredge it up
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[manton]
Gotcha.
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@JamieTanna
↩️ If you want to build / enhance your personal website, #HomebrewWebsiteClub Nottingham is a great place to get involved, next one is the February 5th https://events.indieweb.org/2020/02/homebrew-website-club-nottingham-8IgcYeAQhIKX (https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2020/01/xyxvr/)
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[manton]
That wiki page probably should be updated with the new Small Tech changes.
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[manton]
I also think the rename to "Small Technology Foundation" will make it less confusing with the IndieWeb.
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[Rose]
We can only hope 🙂, people being confused is never good.
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aaronpk
I haven't been keeping up to date, did they completely rename?
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aaronpk
Absolutely feel free to update that page tho!
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[manton]
Yes. I believed they created a new non-profit and rebranded everything. Also some old resources like their forums were shut down.
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[manton]
I linked to them in the book I'm writing and the quote from one of Laura's blog posts that strikes me as the most IndieWeb-friendly was: "We’re on a mission to build tools that enable everyone of us to own and control our own place on the Internet." (Of course, we can debate what "our own place" looks like.)
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[KevinMarks]
looks like a solid review
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[davidmead]
As an aside, Laura’s book on accessibility is very good.
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gRegorLove
"So we’re eating our own hamster food." Interesting variant from https://ar.al/2019/08/26/introducing-small-technology-foundation/
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gRegorLove
Hamsters are smaller than dogs so I guess it fits the new name :)
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aaronpk
I don't even know what hamsters eat but it's probably tastier than dog food
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aaronpk
Carrots?
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[tantek]
IndieWeb is peer-to-peer 🙄
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[jgmac1106]
values align, but no need to waste breadth on plumbing discussion, thx for heads up, still decent talk
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[jgmac1106]
just have Buzz Lightyear stuck in my head saying "To IndieWeb and Beyond"
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[tantek]
lol you should respond with that
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[tantek]
"Actually, I think you meant, To IndieWeb and Beyond!" with Buzz Lightyear meme
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[tantek]
hmm can we add Buzz to Loqi's memeing?
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@jgmac1106
↩️ awesome talk, going to use it in intro to #edtech classes, happy to have convos with folks who share values but find little value in debating plumbing, You did get an image of Buzz Lightyear saying "To #IndieWeb and Beyond" stuck in my head (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/Zmewh)
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[tantek]
code-of-conduct-examples << Praise as a great resource: https://twitter.com/jcolman/status/1220418813780484097
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@steveivy
Thank you #indieweb folks for https://webmention.rocks/ (monkinetic txt-20fd7a4)
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@steveivy
Towards IndieWeb: Webmention For my next #indieweb trick: I’m working on adding support for Webmention in #goldfrog. https://github.com/sivy/goldfrog/issues/9 Client: http://monkinetic.blog/2020/01/23/towards-indieweb-webmention
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[tantek]
aaronpk, looks like we never updated https://indieweb.org/IndieWebCamp_Organizing to suggest vegan/vegetarian meals by default. We did decide to make this a thing right? And make it an explicit consideration (not requirement) for other organizers?
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[tantek]
forget*
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[tantek]
Did I just for get to add it under "food"?
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aaronpk
oh huh, I thought we've been doing that for the last bunch of them
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[tantek]
we've made it our explicit policy since at least 2016
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[tantek]
I mean you and me our policy
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[tantek]
we never made it requirement for other organizers, but I thought we'd decided to make it a suggested default at least
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aaronpk
i'd like to make it a suggested default
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aaronpk
i try to do that at other events i'm involved in too
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[tantek]
wait vegan or vegetarian default?
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aaronpk
vegetarian
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aaronpk
depending on the city, vegan is often too challenging
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[tantek]
ok that's fair
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aaronpk
(it's hard enough to get vegetarian food in the midwest)
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[tantek]
how about for us? I'm ok with vegan default, and letting people request vegetarian and then ordering accordingly
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[tantek]
that's roughly what I did for IWS 2019
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[tantek]
(which is why >50% of the food was vegan)
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aaronpk
in Portland? certainly vegan default is good
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[tantek]
yes at least for summits
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[tantek]
I did vegetarian for IWC SF because we only breakfast burritos and pizzas and I wanted cheese 😂
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[tantek]
and we were quite lighthanded on organizing. just me and GWG, and Bradley volunteering (who was a lifesaver)
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aaronpk
what really frustrates me is when people order 3 different kind of meat pizzas and one cheese pizza
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[tantek]
that's the kind of cultural default that needs to be reset