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[LewisCowles] RE: Jeff Huang post about "designed to last" I think for technical content at a minimum, context is an important thing to work on preserving
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[jgmac1106] Did anyone take any screenshots today, preferably in Brady Bunch mode? I totally forgot that we should have
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[chrisaldrich] We definitely blew getting a group photo.
# [jgmac1106] yeah, just thought of that. Let's set a few alarms with Loqi for demo times, maybe even a few random times during hack day
# [jgmac1106] We had 14 people on during demos at one point I think.....totally forgot
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ More #ethos rather than #stuff or step by step journey. Begins with principled community: https://indieweb.org/principles guided by norms: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct towards shared goal of owning data, better connections and controlling your… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2020/02/09/more-ethos-rather-than-stuff-or-step (twitter.com/_/status/1226325762032197632)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ #IndieWeb philosophy works for education because believe every learner deserves tright to tell their story. It isn't just #cs4all, the way we read, write and participated as shifted at a rate exponentially greater than any time in history. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/rWgQd) (twitter.com/_/status/1226326559960846336)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ For edu #IndieWeb approach works best IMO for three reasons: it is the most resilient, sustainable, and accessible way to build your Commonoplace book https://indieweb.org/commonplace_book. What is @creativecommons for then to store and share the story of us. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/IjBpn) (twitter.com/_/status/1226328311816695808)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Resilient in the sense that the first web pages are still readable today. #IndieWeb tools built on a value of open standards like HTML. This ensures a longevity of data portability, especially when you own it from your domain. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/2hnsvB) (twitter.com/_/status/1226328965876334592)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Like with #poetryport right now I love all audio poems being shared but also saddened because I know someday they will all be gone. Teachers hit with more site deaths than anyone: https://indieweb.org/site-deaths We can upload poems to our sites. resilient (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/IXVxS) (twitter.com/_/status/1226329652446273544)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ So just owning data, preferably from own domain, is #IndieWeb enough, but then you can start doing cool stuff like having webrings and RSS Planets like we do with #clmooc, but a lot of #IndieWeb tools use metadata called microformats to connect (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1Szd4p) (twitter.com/_/status/1226330503755767813)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Not having to repeat same thing in two different places also makes #IndieWeb approach more sustainable. So does lack of boards, and bosses, and dependence on soft money. Done a lot of Open Source, I am done getting heavily involved with orgs (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/gjCbr) (twitter.com/_/status/1226332399665065984)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ The #Indieweb philosophy of do over say is also a more sustainable approach. So much #edtech innovation is vaporware promises of tools of tomorrow, semantics that never settle. All the tools used in #IndieWeb community exist today, not tomorrow (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/XpOVE) (twitter.com/_/status/1226334625909346305)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ This makes #indieweb stuff accessible to all, but not as much as a commitment to HTML. You want the most accessible approach to #OER that reaches all learners, works with screen readers, is easier for localisation you use HTML. Full stop. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/VfKcS) (twitter.com/_/status/1226335493106937856)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Then there is where I am. i install a CMS on a shared host. There a number of CMSs with #IndieWeb building blocks. Drupal, Kirby, Perch, alot of people use static site generators and some tools to to include #IndieWeb stuff (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1D10kr) (twitter.com/_/status/1226340947493031937)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ So @nomadwarmachine do I know of an Intro guide to #IndieWeb..not one I liked..so I wrote one, from my own domain, where I own the data and chose how I wanted to share it. That's the #IndieWeb style and why it works for education. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/xUXlH) (twitter.com/_/status/1226344545073364992)
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# [Christina_Hendr Can't seem to find access to the etherpads. There is a link on the main event wiki for indiewebcamponline that says it is for an etherpad index but there isn't much there: https://indieweb.org/2020/Online (under "participating"). The event page used to have etherpad links I think (if I'm remembering correctly) but now they're gone.
# sknebel [Christina_Hendr: they're linked from the schedule page: https://indieweb.org/2020/Online/Schedule
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# [Christina_Hendr Thank you sknebel!
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david.shanske.com created /2020/Online/introblocks (+4427) "Created page with "IndieWebCamp Online 2020 Session: Introduction to IndieWeb: From the Why to the Building Blocks == Participants == *
{{gwg}} (session facilitator) * {{chrisaldrich}}..."" (view diff)# david.shanske.com created /2020/Online/allthefeeds (+3391) "Created page with " IndieWebCamp 2020 Online Session: Feed the Feeds What feeds do you have and where? How do you link to them? Is your homepage a feed and why or why not? == Participants ==..."" (view diff)
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# @jgmac1106 Welcome to day 2 of @indiewebcamp online it is our hack day! Time to set a personal goal and have something to demo at one of our two scheduled demo days. I think I will work on a wrap up post from yesterday and a page for my poetry (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1yXo2j) (twitter.com/_/status/1226458691349729280)
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# @jgmac1106 Hey everyone here is a video and tutorial on installing and updating @withnown on @reclaimhosting: https://jgregorymcverry.com/installingknownonreclaimhosting #IndieWeb #DoOO #edtechchat #literacies #nctevillage (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/YdgbX) (twitter.com/_/status/1226470218689662977)
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@laurensbeta Hallo @lalon_sander wie kann man @LinksFilter aus der Twitterblase heben? Ich denke z.B an ein schönes web interface? #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1226487217889128448)
# @jgmac1106 Quiet breakfast planning the layout for my poetry page for @IndieWebCamp Online Day Two Hack Day. What is your goal? https://t.co/Vb8zttWO6R (twitter.com/_/status/1226487244829143040)
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# @jgmac1106 I just published a quick video update for @indiewebcamp online Day 2: https://jgregorymcverry.com/notes/2020-02-09-1 make sure to start your day sharing your hack day goal, even if your goal is to choose a goal. Hand in chat, we will set up video rooms to hang together. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/GRQmx) (twitter.com/_/status/1226497991088988160)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Sorry for the lack of captions as I know there are people joining us this weekend who rely on them. I have to run to my son's basketball game and will caption as soon as I get home. #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1EyGXC) (twitter.com/_/status/1226498778305351681)
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# [jgmac1106] Can anyone set an alarm with loqi for 2200 and then 1 for 1:00 utc
# [jgmac1106] Then what is a good time for you to demo? We can do a quick schedule change what is a good time for EU demo?
# [jgmac1106] If we are doing schedule change should announce soon. Too bad we didn't catch this earlier
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@MGraybosch ↩️ I've been a @Dreamhost customer for ten years. Never had a problem that wasn't my own damn fault.
@Neocities isn't bad either, especially if you remember and miss #Geocities.
#WritingCommunity #indieWeb #OpenWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1226537704978026496)
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# [jgmac1106] gwg,we should do our best to grab a photo of anyone working on a hack day project
# [jgmac1106] !calc 22:00 utc to est
# [jgmac1106] 5 hours 9 minutes until first demo sessions
# [jgmac1106] !calc 1:00 utc to est
# [jgmac1106] !calc 17:00 pst to est
# [jgmac1106] yeah
# [jgmac1106] okay
# [jgmac1106] 8 hours 6 minutes until second demo time
# [jgmac1106] gwg why don't you send a quick email to everyone explaining to either add a post with their hack day goal to the wiki or share it with the #indieweb hashtag and we will make sure it gets added
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# @jgmac1106 Hey everyone attending the hack day of @IndieWebCamp online please add your goals here: https://indieweb.org/2020/Online#Hack_Day_Goals.2FProjects if you need help joining the wiki or getting your post with goals added stop by http://chat.indieweb.org and we will help you out (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/G6OU0) (twitter.com/_/status/1226551875060760582)
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# [Aaron_Klemm] Do y'all see the self-hosted movement/community one and the same as IndieWeb? Or is one a subset of the other? Something else? I see a lot of self-hosted enthusiasm but they don't seem to necessarily be clued in on IndieWeb stuff.
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "self-hosted" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "self-hosted is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [Aaron_Klemm] There a couple of active podcasts and a steady flow of discussions on HN about tools and and how-tos for self-hosted that come to mind.
# [Aaron_Klemm] [aaronpk] "the self-hosted crowd does not necessarily care about having a web presence, and the indieweb crowd doesn't necessarily care about self hosted" That's probably all there is to it!
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aaronpk self-hosted << https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted
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loqi.me edited /self-hosted (+76) "aaronpk added "https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted" to "See Also"" (view diff)
# Loqi ok, I added "https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted" to a brand new "See Also" section of /self-hosted https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=68262&oldid=68261
# aaronpk wow there are way more photo gallery apps there than I remember seeing last time I looked https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted#photo-and-video-galleries
# [jgmac1106] there are some really cool things in that list
# [Aaron_Klemm] I'm not recommending because I've found them odd/limited, but they did clue me into a lot of software and tools I didn't know about:
# [Aaron_Klemm] The second: https://selfhosted.show/
# [Aaron_Klemm] The first is simply: The Self Hosted Podcast https://boneheadmedia.com/categories/tshp/
# aaronpk self-hosted << The Self Hosted Podcast https://boneheadmedia.com/categories/tshp/
# Loqi ok, I added "The Self Hosted Podcast https://boneheadmedia.com/categories/tshp/" to the "See Also" section of /self-hosted https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=68263&oldid=68262
# aaronpk self-hosted << Self Hosted Show https://selfhosted.show/
# Loqi ok, I added "Self Hosted Show https://selfhosted.show/" to the "See Also" section of /self-hosted https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=68264&oldid=68263
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@ChrisAldrich For IndieWebCamp 2020 Online, I'm working at improving my WordPress Twenty Fifteen Theme so that it has some additional microformats support as well as support for other common #IndieWeb plugins like Syndication Links & Simple Location.
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https://boffosocko.com/2020/02/09/55766832/ (twitter.com/_/status/1226556658760835078)
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# @jgmac1106 My Day Two 2020 @IndieWebCamp Online Goal: Build a Poetry Page: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2020/02/09/my-day-two-2020-indiewebcamp-online-goal-build-a-poetry (twitter.com/_/status/1226558466858332160)
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# @jgmac1106 Step One of @IndieWebCamp Online 2020 Hack Day Project finished : https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2020/02/09/step-one-of-indiewebcamp-online-2020-hack-day-project-finished (twitter.com/_/status/1226566433892638720)
# [jgmac1106] [aaronpk] I played with that idea during intros..sending a reply each time....to test spam and see if it is helpful..unfortunately Known slowed down and I couldn't keep up with the pace...but it looks cool having stuff there, you could filter images and posts and things
# [jgmac1106] I really liked it...but I didn't want to get too spammy, though about asking people to post their project goals there with webmentions
# [jgmac1106] !tell tantek I need to curate the thread into a collection but I did a series of posts last night explaining my three reasons in believing in the IndieWeb: https://twitter.com/NomadWarMachine/status/1226318135881588736
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@NomadWarMachine Hi @jgmac1106 Do you have a quick guide to the Indy web? Trying to explain it to @ggevalt and he is not understanding why I think building gated communities is not a helpful approach, and why linking self-owned spaces is a way to reclaim the web and give students ownership. (twitter.com/_/status/1226318135881588736)
# Loqi self-hosted is the idea of running applications on servers under your control (either locally/directly owned or rented-but-replaceable) instead of renting services https://indieweb.org/self-hosted
# Loqi [tantek]: [jgmac1106] left you a message 10 minutes ago: I need to curate the thread into a collection but I did a series of posts last night explaining my three reasons in believing in the IndieWeb: https://twitter.com/NomadWarMachine/status/1226318135881588736
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# Loqi self-hosted is the idea of running web applications such as your personal website on servers under your control, either locally/directly owned (such as on a computer at home) or rented-but-replaceable (such as a rented VPS) https://indieweb.org/self-hosted
# [jgmac1106] funny side effect, as my Karma from last year expires and I finish tomorrow with less karma then I have today, even after a couple h/t makes me someimes want to work harder...other times feel bad...its strange
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Started step two of my @IndieWebCamp Online 2020 and decided to go with 8 column grid rather than 10 since that is already the layout in my templates. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/NjzVX) (twitter.com/_/status/1226577022790623234)
# aaronpk I suppose I should also start showing these posts here too then https://stream.indieweb.org
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# @jgmac1106 Step Two of @IndieWebCamp Online complete: I layed out my grid on paper and time to write the rules : https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2020/02/09/step-two-of-indiewebcamp-online-complete-i-layed-out-my (twitter.com/_/status/1226585170209275907)
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# @jgmac1106 Step Three of @IndieWebCamp Online: CSS Grid of Poetry page done and ready for testing: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2020/02/09/step-three-of-indiewebcamp-online-css-grid-of-poetry-page (twitter.com/_/status/1226593764732538887)
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@macgenie It’s exciting to see the Austin IndieWeb Camp listed in the Austin Chronicle. Ironic, I know, but I still like seeing things in print publications. #old
PS: Join us Feb. 22 & 23? All are welcome. https://www.austinchronicle.com/events/community/events/indiewebcamp-2659967/ (twitter.com/_/status/1226602645772738560)
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ h/t to https://kartikprabhu.com/ for helping me in #IndieWeb dev chat with some CSS Grid fundamental I had forgotten. Amazing how fast knowledge can fade with rust. Good to have a community to rely on to put a fresh shine on thinking. Time to see if this… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2020/02/09/ht-to-for-helping-me-in (twitter.com/_/status/1226613098833944582)
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@scott_gruber Please help me test webmentions by liking this tweet. https://scottgruber.me/articles/connecting-to-the-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1226622185281687552)
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# [tantek]1 Have fun with demos!
# [jgmac1106]1 getting closer....https://jgregorymcverry.com/mypoetry
# [tantek]1 (I don't have anything to demo for this weekend 🙈)
# [jgmac1106]1 nonsense, you have been doing a long 100 day project, content is demoable, especially with the effort and thought you put in
# [tantek]1 I have to go run now to go get some good photos for today's entry then! 😂
# [tantek]1 [jgmac1106] also I don't have an aggregation page, so I have no idea how I'd "demo" it
# [jgmac1106]1 ohh so no way just to present your photo feed?
# [tantek]1 You're welcome to show my home page, and point out that I've got a positive photo post for each day (taken on that day, usually posted then, sometimes posted the next day), for 39 days
# [jgmac1106]1 have a good run
# [jgmac1106]1 will do, nobody did the 5 est
# [tantek]1 [jgmac1106] well I've captured the 'to do / working on' for that (photo feed) with some design notes: https://indieweb.org/Falcon#mobile_friendly_photos_only_stream
# [jgmac1106]1 so let's see who makes the next one, most of EU asleep and submitting asynch demos tomorrow
# [tantek]1 I like "mobile friendly photos only stream" better than "photo feed" as a framing
# [jgmac1106]1 it's been cool to watch I have enjoyed your photos
# [tantek]1 what is a photo stream
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "photo stream" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "photo stream is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [tantek]1 what is a photo grid
# Loqi photo grid is a visual display of a series of photo posts, typically 3 in a column, where only the photo of the post is visible, omitting the text https://indieweb.org/photo_grid
# [jgmac1106]1 will demo for you if you are out and a about
# [tantek]1 what is a photo feed
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "photo feed" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "photo feed is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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# [tantek]1 photo stream is (AKA photo feed) a page showing a series of photo posts, sometimes presented as a [[photo grid]], typically for the purpose of showing and catching up with that photos someone has taken and posted recently, without their other [[posts]] interspersed.
# loqi.me created /photo_stream (+293) "prompted by [tantek]1 and dfn added by [tantek]1" (view diff)
# [tantek]1 photo feed is /photo_stream
# loqi.me created /photo_feed (+25) "prompted by [tantek]1 and redirect added by [tantek]1" (view diff)
# [jgmac1106]1 taking snapshots on wayback machine as I build my feed and try to figure out the layout: https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://jgregorymcverry.com/mypoetry
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# [tantek]1 lol /recent_photos
# [jgmac1106]1 oops i made an h-feed of my h-cards, not a thing, will remove
# [tantek]1 oh that's different actually!
# [tantek]1 photo stream << recent photos
# Loqi ok, I added "[[recent photos]]" to a brand new "See Also" section of /photo_stream https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=68291&oldid=68288
# loqi.me edited /photo_stream (+37) "[tantek]1 added "[[recent photos]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
# [tantek]1 recent photos << photo stream
# Loqi ok, I added "[[photo stream]]" to the "See Also" section of /recent_photos https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=68292&oldid=20020
# tantek.com edited /photo_stream (+259) "dfn photo feed, IndieWeb Examples see photo grid for now" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /photo_stream (+754) "Add Brainstorming section to link to related design / project work in-progress, another why: Visualize a [[100 Days]] of Photos" (view diff)
# [tantek]1 !tell [jgmac1106] enjoy dinner, and you may also show/demo the new [[photo stream]] page as a mini-project I started (hopefully enough for others to contribute to) for IWC Online