#meta 2020-02-08

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[tantek] what is Kaja
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Loqi Kaja is a chat & wiki bot run by Sven Knebel that answers a number of IndieWeb chat queries, and performs a number of automatic wiki maintenance tasks, like updating the Homebrew Website Club listings on the home page from information on the events page https://indieweb.org/Kaja
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[tantek] hmm no GH repo to file issues.
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[tantek] !tell sknebel do you have a preferred method of receiving Kaja bug reports / feature requests? couldn't find a github repo to file issues, and unclear if adding to Kaja's wiki page is helpful/effective. e.g.: needs to be pointed at the new events site!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@t ↩️ We had a nice meetup and have organized the next one already! https://events.indieweb.org/2020/02/homebrew-website-club-san-francisco-eiKvWhy3hxoE I should post an RSVP myself :) https://tantek.com/t54z1 (twitter.com/_/status/1225941197081825280)
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@webrocker Just bookmarked (and replied to) @adactio s post on Hydration on my blog, using both 'u-in-reply-to' and 'u-bookmark-of' classes on one <a href > pointing to his url. I wonder if this works or is even supposed to work - can one webmention be two things? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1226092968546897921)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ It is almost like you have been in the #IndieWeb dev chat channel last two days, this has been EXACT topic du juor https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2020-02-07#t1581111750505300 basic answer is yes, parsers will handle it, consider how do you display, will a consumer care? (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/EnNWu) (twitter.com/_/status/1226096686847725568)
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vika_nezrimaya hey so how do I register for the keynote
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vika_nezrimaya I remember [jgmac1106] inviting me
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vika_nezrimaya I hope I'll be able to participate
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vika_nezrimaya or is everything already planned and I'm late as usual?
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vika_nezrimaya I'm new to this stuff sorry if I sound like a dummy
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vika_nezrimaya is someone here? >.< sorry if I sound annoying
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vika_nezrimaya hey there swentel
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[Rose] Do you have a ticket for the event in general?
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[Rose] Let's start with that :)
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@AlisonW So many projects wait when working on one I almost want to give up on the concept of daily sleep. Currently on hold: Satellite Lo-Ra, Xen install on new box, some welding, replacement of squaredrop roof, workshop reorg, car lx Doing: Reworking main website to indieweb standards (twitter.com/_/status/1226122843307565056)
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vika_nezrimaya [Rose]: can I RSVP from my website to get a ticket?
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vika_nezrimaya or how to do it
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vika_nezrimaya [Rose]: I got one from ti.to and also did an RSVP just in case: https://fireburn.ru/posts/1581166050
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Loqi [Vika] I was invited to IndieWebCamp Online 2020and I will be there :3 I hope it will be fun! #IndieWebCamp
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jeremycherfas Tciket? Srsly, for online?
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vika_nezrimaya oh well
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vika_nezrimaya I RSVP'd to this and got a ticket just in case
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Zegnat jeremycherfas: I imagine it is mostly for statistics that Tito was setup
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jeremycherfas I guess. And I didn't register because my participation is still extremely "Maybe".
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vika_nezrimaya not everyone can RSVP from their own site
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vika_nezrimaya I think that's why
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vika_nezrimaya RSVPing is easy though if you can send a webmention (you can) and you can inject custom markup in your blog posts (you probably can?)
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Zegnat I should try an RSVP to see if it parses my site
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jeremycherfas I can indeed. To what do you RSVP?
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vika_nezrimaya Webmentions get sent automagically for my posts and Markdown supports HTML injection so I've got no problem even with a pretty old version of what turned into Kittybox
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vika_nezrimaya jeremycherfas: to the events.indieweb.org page for IWC Online 2020
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jeremycherfas I mean, which URL in the wiki? Or to /events?
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Loqi I agree
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vika_nezrimaya Loqi: agree to what
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Zegnat I hope more of the events stuff moves to events.indieweb.org, it’ll all become a lot more manageable
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vika_nezrimaya aaronpk made it look totally beautiful and it supports MF2 and webmentions
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vika_nezrimaya yay for Meetable
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vika_nezrimaya Meetable++
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Loqi Meetable has 1 karma over the last year
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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jeremycherfas !mf2 https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2020/maybe-id-like-to-find-some-time-but-it-just
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Kaja_____ https://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstream.jeremycherfas.net%2F2020%2Fmaybe-id-like-to-find-some-time-but-it-just
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Loqi [Jeremy Cherfas] Maybe: I'd like to find some time, but it just might not be possible.
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Loqi [Jeremy Cherfas] Maybe: I'd like to find some time, but it just might not be possible.
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jeremycherfas Hmn. Doesn't seem to be picking up mine. It has a p-rsvp. That's correct, isn't it?
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vika_nezrimaya jeremycherfas: I'm checking your RSVP out!
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vika_nezrimaya You have a "maybe" value in your RSVP on the first h-entry on that URL. Is that correct?
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jeremycherfas It is what I mean, and I believe it is an acceptable value.
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vika_nezrimaya ok my battery's almost dead so I gotta go, see you later! <3
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jeremycherfas Get charged up.
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Zegnat Webmention sent, lets see what happens
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[jgmac1106] hey all I have some morning errands to run, but will be on later, good luck [Sadik_Shahadu], gwg, and vika_nezrimaya if you want to do a keynote on a days notice please feel free, but I like rolling off the cuff, being spontaneous, but it isn't for everyone. No pressure, there will be plenty more IWC Onlines or IWCs
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[jgmac1106] be awesome to have an IWC where three people are giving a keynote for the first time
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GWG Only a few more hours
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jeremycherfas Mine has definitely gone missing Zegnat
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Zegnat Mine also doesn’t seem to be showing up, though it seems to be correct: http://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Flicit.li%2F5e3eb55712c1e&pretty=true
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Zegnat Yours looks like to me too, jeremycherfas
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jeremycherfas It isn't something silly like caching is it?
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jeremycherfas empties cache
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jeremycherfas Nope, that's not it.
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realize.be edited /Indigenous_for_Android (+44) "/* Screenshots of the app */" (view diff)
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Zegnat Thee maybe caching or non-live updates on the event side
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Zegnat I haven’t looked at Meetable yet
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[jgmac1106] Zegnat it was super easy. And I fear session grids and Wikimedia tables in general
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Zegnat I meant specifically in the relation of my rsvp not showing up
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[jgmac1106] Ohh i was calling back to 8:14 message. Try sending through Telegraph and see what happens?
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jeremycherfas I sent from Known to /events and it didn't show up. What's the point if you have to use Telegraph?
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Zegnat I sent it through https://events.indieweb.org/webmention ;)
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jeremycherfas I can give that a try too.
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jeremycherfas Doesn't seem to make any difference. Didn't get either an error or a success message.
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[jgmac1106] gwg, can you add links to etherpad and yellow room to the sessions on the wiki?
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aaronpk Right now the events site only accepts webmentions from a domain that you use to log in to the wiki. So folks with subdomains or multiple domains that might be why they're not showing up
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aaronpk it's storing them I just haven't built a moderation queue yet
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Zegnat Aaah, that explains a lot aaronpk!
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aaronpk I was afraid of this, and might undo that restriction tho. It was Tantek's idea cause he was worried about people spamming the event pages with bad photos
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aaronpk actually now that I think about it I could restrict only photos that way
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[jgmac1106] Is there a way on the wiki to say this subdomain is also mine with rel=me to keep the filter?
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Zegnat I was just wondering about rel-me too. licit.li definitely rel-me-s to vanderven.se/martijn
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aaronpk I did it the easy way which involved almost no code, which was to allow domains that have actually logged in to the events site
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aaronpk I didn't want to build a whole thing for this because the eventual goal is to have a moderation queue instead
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[jgmac1106] ohh I wanted to try and log out and log in with my Known site, but coudl nto find a log out button
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aaronpk Log out of the wiki
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[jgmac1106] okay thx
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Zegnat Ah, meetable is behind the same Vouch SSO setup? Makes so much sense now that I think about it!
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jeremycherfas Ah right. So I was RSVPing from Known, which is indeed on a subdomain.
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aaronpk Yep! That way most people here will already be logged in when they visit it!
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jeremycherfas !tell Zegnat Home page fixed and webmention sent.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat jeremycherfas, received: 2020-02-08T14:18:26+00:00 !
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[jgmac1106] yep, logged in with Known and sent the rsvp, interesting I couldn't log into telegraph with my Known site, is that a subdomain block or a problem with my site?
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aaronpk I didn't think telegraph had any restrictions
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jeremycherfas Smokin'
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[jgmac1106] it worked the second time, first time I got a curl error, probably timeout on my end
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jeremycherfas returns at least 80% of his attention to work
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aaronpk Now that you've logged in with that subdomain once it'll let any webmentions thru
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@jgmac1106 We are just hours away from @indiewebcamp online! https://events.indieweb.org/2020/02/indiewebcamp-online-gUpSVUxbUKhv Come join us for great sessions, conversations and friends hacking on personal websites. #BeYourOwnSocialNetwork (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/22QgW1) (twitter.com/_/status/1226149525087236096)
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[jgmac1106] and you get an "edit response" button!!
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[jgmac1106] [Sadik_Shahadu] looking forward to talk we use Zoom, you may want to record a video a head of time in case you run into bandwidth issues
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[jgmac1106] We can ask people to mute their smics and cameras during talk, if you have slides you can share your screen, we can also send them out to people ahead of time if screensharing will be too taxing on your network
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[jgmac1106] !tell gwg let me know if you will not have time to add etherpad links and yellow room links on the wiki
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] I am off to basketball game one, will be on for the intros
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GWG I will do it now, then I need food
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[jgmac1106] food first, just links
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[jgmac1106] we have a few hours, life balance over blogging conference
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[Sadik_Shahadu] Ok
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@Cambridgeport90 Have any #IndieWeb people yet tried the ProjectNami version of Wordpress? In other words, Wordpress running on #IIS with #SQLServer? If I am the first test, is anybody interested in what I find? Do you want reports? (twitter.com/_/status/1226169116009979907)
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@Cambridgeport90 RT @jan@geekcompass.com Adding Some Context to (Web)mentions https://janboddez.tech/articles/adding-some-context-to-webmentions #code #indieweb #wordpress https://geekcompass.com/@jan/103619912589071564 (twitter.com/_/status/1226170755185926145)
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DeltaWhy[m] is there a way to join the zoom room from a browser? having trouble figuring it out
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GWG Yes, there is.
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GWG I've done it
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GWG https://zoom.us/j/7012777223 - Starting soon
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DeltaWhy[m] that just wants me to download the app, usually it will have a 'join in browser' link if you wait a bit but it's not showing up for some reason
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[Michael_Beckwit user the numbers on that url for the meeting number
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maxwelljoslyn DeltaWhy - the first time I used the link it downloaded the app. The second time I used the link, it opened the meeting in the app
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DeltaWhy[m] i was trying to avoid using the app but I gave in and installed it
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vika_nezrimaya oh well I dropped out 'cause Zoom hanged on my computer
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vika_nezrimaya I'll try to rejoin
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chrisaldrich @jgmac1106 @GWG should we do live logging in the #meta channel or in the main #indieweb chat today?
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GWG I think main
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Zegnat on my way to the zoom, but also grabbing drink
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[Christina_Hendr Help...I broke the schedule page trying to add data to my user page. Sorry! I don't know what I'm doing.
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[Christina_Hendr Now it
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[Christina_Hendr Now the schedule page has all my data from my user page (user page was showing blank before where someone typed {{clhendricksbc}} and now it's embedding all the data from my user page.
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[jgmac1106] Little late. Lost my keys
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aaronpk The Template page has too much stuff on it. Copy from someone else's template and add your info
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aaronpk [Christina_Hendr: the template one not the user one
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/Template:clhendricksbc
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/Template:aaronpk copy from that
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@Cambridgeport90 RT @tchambers@indieweb.social IndieWebCamp Online is this weekend: a completely online set of events.... https://indieweb.org/2020/Online #indieweb https://indieweb.social/@tchambers/103618680818665981 (twitter.com/_/status/1226175520305319936)
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@Cambridgeport90 RT @jan@geekcompass.com There’s always _some_ weird thing going on with others’ IndieWeb/microformats feeds, isn’t there? #indieweb (https://janboddez.tech/notes/c3c70e4b63) https://geekcompass.com/@jan/103601738193139752 (twitter.com/_/status/1226175521219739648)
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@Cambridgeport90 RT @jan@geekcompass.com Looking into Mastodon maintenance—like keeping the (federated) statuses database from exploding—and I think I’ve finally found something IndieWeb sites (and “broadcast-only” ActivityPub actors) do better. Well, sort of. #fediverse (1/2) (twitter.com/_/status/1226175522083753989)
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@Cambridgeport90 ↩️ #indieweb (https://janboddez.tech/notes/534de7bb3f) https://geekcompass.com/@jan/103595194432937917 (2/2) (twitter.com/_/status/1226175522704510976)
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Zegnat Hmm, my microphone is borked, but I am seeing and hearing everything :D
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[Christina_Hendr got it...will do. Thank you!
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[jgmac1106] cmd or ctrl+s will share screen [Sadik_Shahadu]
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[Sadik_Shahadu] https://wiki.goifnetwork.org/Main_Page
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Zegnat Sadly I have to drop out for a bit, GWG will an archive of the keynotes make it to archive.org?
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GWG I plan on it
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GWG As long as the wifi holds
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[Sadik_Shahadu] http://sadik.goifnetwork.org/
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[jgmac1106] [Sadik_Shahadu] show our curriculum
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[Sadik_Shahadu] https://wiki.goifnetwork.org/OER_Ghana:_Mozilla_Leaders_X_Training_Curriculum
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[Sadik_Shahadu] Here is the main website https://goifnetwork.org/
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vika_nezrimaya https://fireburn.ru
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Loqi Vika
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aaronpk GWG: you can mute people as the host
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aaronpk jgmac1106Discord: mute yourself plz
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vika_nezrimaya https://fireburn.ru/?after=1576511944
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@jgmac1106 @kisik21 doing her first keynote on building an #IndieWeb CMS called kittybox https://events.indieweb.org/2020/02/indiewebcamp-online-gUpSVUxbUKhv after @sadike25 and David Shanske did his first keynote!! We traveled from Bulgaria, Ghana, to Russia..... (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1VyoUT) (twitter.com/_/status/1226186654722985984)
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[jgmac1106] we here you [AlisonW]
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[jgmac1106] [AlisonW] we will be captioning all videos as soon as Camp is over
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maxwelljoslyn AlisonW++ Thanks for making me laugh with your intro :)
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Loqi AlisonW has 2 karma over the last year
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[AlisonW] curtseys
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[cheukting_ho] Hi all! As IndieWebCamp in London is about a month away, I would like to see if anyone's company is happy to sponsor the social evening on saturday? We are looking for something about £150 so everyone can have a drink token in the pub for a drink. We try to have it sponsored instead of self funded to encourage people to social after a day of talks so they can exchange ideas and get to know more about IWC and HWC. For you company, we can
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[cheukting_ho] have your logo at the event page also I am happy to send some picture back and an event write up as marketing material for you to use. Of cause that also include special shout out at the event. It's good if your company is hiring web developers.
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aaronpk note to self: document zoom settings for people
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[AlisonW] is retired / on the DL
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[cheukting_ho] Please message me via Slack or email cheuk@datachemist.com if you are interested in sponsoring IndieWebCamp London.
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[jgmac1106] !calc £150 to $
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Loqi $194.21 (US dollars) (February 7, 2020)
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[jgmac1106] I love you Loqi...you married?
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[AlisonW] [aaronpk] I've been unable to find a way to stop zoom taking control of my local window, to stop it becoming full screen
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aaronpk let me find it, one sec
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[AlisonW] £150 in a london put = 20 drinks max 😛
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[AlisonW] pub
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aaronpk [AlisonW]: https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2020-02-08-08-57-39-Q6ovaJevlp.jpg top checkbox there
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[AlisonW] that's the opposite. I want it *not* to go to fullscreen
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[jgmac1106] yes so uncheck it
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aaronpk right, uncheck the box
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aaronpk it's checked by default
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[AlisonW] done (i think) so now wait to see what happens)
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aaronpk there's also one in "General" called "Enter full screen when starting or joining a meeting"
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@jgmac1106 Melanie just did her demo, is building an eleventy #IndieWeb template for content creators in the Twitch committee. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1vRmql) (twitter.com/_/status/1226188953541390336)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Scott Gruber is going next, first #IndieWeb event in Portland three years ago. He demos http://scottgruber.me he is using @getperch and hasn't added webmention plugin yet but is adding a "now" page and pulls in his tweets and experimental art sites (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/KvnNW) (twitter.com/_/status/1226189947369115648)
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vika_nezrimaya ok I got the onboarding screenshots :3
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vika_nezrimaya 1. https://fireburn.ru/media/7f/99/c1/d0/66edd37806dc0ad0c1734ce4cfdff57fa48b223b12870031f0ab4972.png
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vika_nezrimaya 2. https://fireburn.ru/media/01/06/9a/cb/afaafc776b9059e2a4e39e7e6c9f7ddd8479342203712e524c9fd4c9.png
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vika_nezrimaya 3. https://fireburn.ru/media/ce/f1/fb/34/6bd7e98aa9d0ce16ef0528f16f63bfd7b593fad5176de2dd26fa37d4.png
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vika_nezrimaya 4. https://fireburn.ru/media/16/51/f1/48/443f6753c119c4b1807df742568fc4b966814163887c2a314b6d782f.png
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vika_nezrimaya https://fireburn.ru/posts/1575990960 - this is how posts look once onboarding is complete
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Loqi [Vika] Looks like my h-card and the main page are ready. I just need to write functions to fetch data from Micropub. https://fireburn.ru/media/14/b7/73/85/fa05797386d64adf5f7b14dbe8bfb11dbfd1eeba48f775b382721a30.png
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I went next and showed off my poetry and video pages https://jgregorymcverry.com/myvideos and https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/content/audio?q=%23poetryport #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/RhRuq) (twitter.com/_/status/1226191804715933697)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Then @jackjamieson went and showed off his Wordpress site and how he uses the microsub reader. #Indieweb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/5hg2i) (twitter.com/_/status/1226192455051235330)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Maxwell Joselynthen demos https://www.maxwelljoslyn.com/ #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/Q3ETB) (twitter.com/_/status/1226193175997534208)
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[jgmac1106] i will be back
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vika_nezrimaya https://fireburn.ru/posts/1575990960
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Loqi [Vika] Looks like my h-card and the main page are ready. I just need to write functions to fetch data from Micropub. https://fireburn.ru/media/14/b7/73/85/fa05797386d64adf5f7b14dbe8bfb11dbfd1eeba48f775b382721a30.png
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[jgmac1106] 5 minute break before first session?
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[Christina_Hendr events page has wrong time for PST at least; it's now 9:30am not 8:30 am: https://events.indieweb.org/2020/02/indiewebcamp-online-gUpSVUxbUKhv Not a big deal for anyone here but just in case someone else is looking to join later who isn't here.
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aaronpk might be better to only list UTC time and just link out to that timezone converter
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aaronpk wait didn't i see the schedule with times on https://indieweb.org/2020/Online ?
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aaronpk GWG: [jgmac1106]: you should pick one place to post the detailed schedule so that they don't get out of sync. the wiki is probably better for that.
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[jgmac1106] Main article: 2020/Online/Schedule is farther down
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[Christina_Hendr Yes, and that one has correct times for pacific but the event page doesn't. Good idea to have just UTC and converter
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[jgmac1106] yeah that was a tough one to figure out I thought they were the same
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aaronpk i'm going to just drop the schedule from the events.indieweb.org page
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[jgmac1106] wait one sec lemme copy it first
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aaronpk it's already on https://indieweb.org/2020/Online
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[jgmac1106] ohh okay, but not with gwg new times
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[jgmac1106] but that is easy I will fix those,
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aaronpk this is why there should be only one detailed schedule :)
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[jgmac1106] agree, was first time trying to figure out how to balance wiki and events, I will capture reflections later
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aaronpk now i want change notifications here for updates to events.indieweb.org pages
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[jgmac1106] gwg, chrisalrdirch with 16 people in a session we could split it and run the same one twice, or just keep it huge, your call
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chrisaldrich Keeping it large is fine...
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www.jeremycherfas.net edited /2020/Online/Schedule (+0) "s /Masters/Experts/ Let's be a bit more inclusive." (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] Heading to basketball will join feed to feeds when I get there
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[jgmac1106] what session are we in? Getting started still?
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[Christina_Hendr yes. stepping away for a moment to find somethign for my kid
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GWG https://etherpad.indieweb.org/allthefeeds
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[AlisonW] Third session
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@dshanske Attending Indiewebcamp Online from my hotel room. (https://di5.us/p/uD) https://t.co/yRrVVKFNf8 (twitter.com/_/status/1226212468533452801)
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@jgmac1106 Attending @IndieWebCamp Online from my son's basketball.l game. Running in and out of feed the feeds session. https://t.co/3BkuyFqEXN (twitter.com/_/status/1226216504951296000)
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@MGraybosch "This Page is Designed to Last" by assistant professor Jeff Huang of Brown University has some interesting implications for #author #websites. So much of our #platforms are ephemeral and under corporate control. https://jeffhuang.com/designed_to_last/ #WritingCommunity #Web #IndieWeb #OpenWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1226225706134364161)
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[Christina_Hendr Where are we at with the sessions? I can join in for the last one on WordPress. Starting soon?
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[AlisonW] massive agreement from me re his noting that "First came jquery, then bootstrap, npm, angular, grunt, webpack, and more." - one reason I try to roll my own scaffolding is I don't want to be reliant on any of these, plus they add bloat if I only want a single feature.
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[Michael_Beckwit [Christina_Hendricks] i believe it's now meant to start in about 28min
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[Michael_Beckwit since we shifted everything 15min
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GWG [Christina_Hendr: 10 minutes
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swentel GWG, did you get the new app update in?
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GWG swentel: Yes. Haven't tried it yet
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@AlisonW Yes, Christina Hendricks , if I tweet #indieweb (or maybe indieweb ?) then Loqi will probably collect it. (twitter.com/_/status/1226228478456012802)
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GWG swentel: Lots of things to support
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swentel yeah, with the platinum support now :)
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GWG I meant inthe app
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GWG Venues for one
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maxwelljoslyn https://etherpad.indieweb.org/collections
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Zegnat Are the schedule times up to date? Is WP starting now or in 15 minutes? GWG [jgmac1106]?
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[Michael_Beckwit it just started a few ago
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[Michael_Beckwit join us
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[jgmac1106] Ohh yeah this is the session renamed "Can We Turn Zegnat"
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Zegnat Coming in ASAP
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[jgmac1106] [Michael_Beckwith] entire goal of session is convince Zegnat he needs to switch to WordPress
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[Michael_Beckwit join us in many ways 😄
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Zegnat Listening in now while munching on dinner
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@scott_gruber IndieWeb on WordPress https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/ https://t.co/LTlWEfLTrm (twitter.com/_/status/1226236156523794432)
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[fluffy] oh dang, sounds like I’ve been missing some great stuff. I needed to catch up on sleep this morning. 😕
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sknebel sleep++
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Loqi sknebel: [tantek] left you a message 19 hours, 51 minutes ago: do you have a preferred method of receiving Kaja bug reports / feature requests? couldn't find a github repo to file issues, and unclear if adding to Kaja's wiki page is helpful/effective. e.g.: needs to be pointed at the new events site!
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maxwelljoslyn [fluffy] [chrisaldrich] mentioned you in the #collections discussion this morning, in the context of non-chronological feeds, preserving non-chron ordering in indie readers, serial comics, etc. will be typing the notes after my lunch
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[fluffy] ah cool
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[fluffy] I mean my comic feeds are still chronological, they’re just intended to be consumed oldest-first :)
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[fluffy] well, most of them. my very first webcomic was very much non-chronological because the story jumped around in time and the display date on the post was supposed to be the time in comic time, not the time it was posted. (This got very confusing.)
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maxwelljoslyn ah, point taken. I should have said comics were in the context of collections as indexes/pointers/guides to batches of old material.
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maxwelljoslyn "display date on the post was supposed to be the time in comic time" - sounds scrumptiously wacky, wouldn't have it any other way :^)
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[fluffy] but yeah like… the more general case of “reading order”
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maxwelljoslyn do you (or anyone) have thoughts RE metadata to indicate "desired reading order" or other such way of telling a consuming program that entries should be displayed other than chrono. by posts' publish date?
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[fluffy] and yeah the comic took place in the distant future of 2007, with some flashbacks to the early 90s. (I drew it from 2000-2002 before giving up on it.)
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[fluffy] hmm… well, on that particular comic I ordered it by “page number”
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[fluffy] and of course I displayed it with a custom CMS (written in bash!) that ordered it that way.
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maxwelljoslyn so ordering data would be available (modulo some processing, markupping)
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[fluffy] right
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[fluffy] in Publ I allow an index or feed to sort by title, and also provide a “sort-title” field that you can use to override that, but until this very moment it never occurred to me to let people navigate entry-to-entry with that ordering.
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maxwelljoslyn i imagine the available indie readers all use chrono view (naturally, given there's no standard for "this feed ISN'T chrono" and most ppl publish chronological feeds)
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[fluffy] okay this is sounding like a #indieweb-dev discussion
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maxwelljoslyn yes
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[Christina_Hendr This has been great, everyone--I have to go make lunch for myself and child. Thank you to all...I have learned a lot!
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Zegnat Thanks for the great refresher on all the WP plugins GWG!
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@brettkosinski Just finished listening to @karaswisher interview @msurman on Recode Decode about @Mozilla. Mark’s comments about the need to split data gathering from exploitation immediately made me think of the Indieweb… #indieweb #ownyourdata (https://b-ark.ca/w68emQ) (twitter.com/_/status/1226267682300989441)
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chrisaldrich longevity << https://jeffhuang.com/designed_to_last/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://jeffhuang.com/designed_to_last/" to the "See Also" section of /longevity https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=68236&oldid=66034
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