#dev 2020-02-07
2020-02-07 UTC
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sivy i have an 8000+ tweet archive siting on my hard drive, daring me to import it into my site
# sivy that's not a lot as some measure posting, but :shrug:
# sivy let goldfrog's indexer chew on that for a minute
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# [LewisCowles] I have my tweets, my facebook, instagram and medium. I don't think I want to publish them, I'm just interested in the data they report they keep. It all seems so useless; it makes me wonder if they are deliberately under-reporting the amount of data they have
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Loqi backfill is the action of importing all your past posts, typically from a social media silo, into your own site https://indieweb.org/backfill
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[jgmac1106] public feed, I would have to add the OPML to make it so you candpwnload: https://clmoocring.jgregorymcverry.com/edu506/
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swentel ok, wrote down some thoughts at https://github.com/swentel/indigenous-android/issues/312
# [jgmac1106] indienews is an h-feed can you use that
# [jgmac1106] do worry though it is often quite technical....and may not be the best sopurce for onboarding
# [jgmac1106] indieweb.xyz isn't an h-feed, though it could be kickscondor
# [jgmac1106] https://stream.indieweb.org/ also not an h-feed, but again could be
# [jgmac1106] ahh okay, so the anonymous user could look through channels, could then different stubs from indieweb.xyz be used as channels
# swentel oh there's still https://silopub.p3k.io/
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[tantek] just like we are extolling the virtue of account-less for onboarding / using / trying out an "app" and its UX before committing your identity to it, there is something to be said for site-less onboarding / using / trying out of any IndieWeb "app" (like Social Readers) before committing to setting up a site / service like micro.blog etc.
# [jgmac1106] could just make a twiiter list of indiewebbers and turn that into a feed
# [jgmac1106] yeah that is the hard part, doing it without replies
# [jgmac1106] unless 100% hand curating
# [jgmac1106] and add the feed freom events.indieweb.org as one channe;
# [jgmac1106] what is the microsub equivalent of OPML...copy a channel?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "microsub equivalent of OPML...copy a channel" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "microsub equivalent of OPML...copy a channel is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [jgmac1106] ...if you need help curating happy to share the burden, seems like a ton of work
# [jgmac1106] oops
# [jgmac1106] +1 to opt-in always
# [jgmac1106] can you create syndication targets for people to to send posts to those public feeds?
# [jgmac1106] that way always opt-in and less hand curation on your part?
# [jgmac1106] people probably already have good twitter lists you can use, that is plenty.
# [jgmac1106] I would grab some of the artsy and more diverse folk from tumblr as well
# [jgmac1106] tumblr
# [jgmac1106] I will make a meme list, can you use grnaray to filter a list and only include if there is an image?
# swentel https://twitter.com/memecenter is a good one, always works
# [jgmac1106] I was just talking about how I wanted that feature since you can not use twitter search api
# [jgmac1106] have a list of people but filter out everything but a specific hashtag
# [jgmac1106] started a meme list....now wondering if it is a good idea: https://twitter.com/i/lists/1225725227994316800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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# [jgmac1106] swentel can indigenous work with mblaney's unicyclic as a microsub server. I want to use it it again but I will never be able to figure out my token problem with Known, it just stopped workign one day and won't work again no matter how many times I deltete tokens and reinstall plugin
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jeremycherfas Syncthing installed on both machines with no great fuss, but actual syncing has been stuck at 0% for a long time with no indication of why nothing is happening. I'll try to be patient and let it go through an entire scan interval without touching anything.
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# jeremycherfas Did you try switching it off and then on again?
# jeremycherfas No
# jeremycherfas Try that
# jeremycherfas Blimey, it worked
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# jeremycherfas I find that hard to believe
# [jgmac1106] [manton] just wondering if micro.blog is the first service doing webmentions driven by JSON and not microformats. Plurality and all.... I do try to keep the metadata proper in themes, but many people delete "unused classes" it seems as they customize themes
# [jgmac1106] I will do another run through soon, still think a HUGO landing page like HTML5UP that can work on micro.blog or any HUGO blog would be neat
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# [jgmac1106] okay I just got confused with the photo and POSSE tweet conversation from your code channel, that was example of zero microformats but the issue was unrelated
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[schmarty] Heh. Not sure if you're getting autocompleted jgmac1106 but Hugo is a proper noun rather than an acronym
# [jgmac1106] thx for heads up, not that into SSGs for that Hugo elsewhere
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# maxwelljoslyn trying and failing to get page redirects to work on S3 :(
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# maxwelljoslyn https://www.maxwelljoslyn.com/notes/2020/02/04/1 if anyone has advice
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# [jgmac1106] well wasn't too bad three minute install using mapkyca's help: http://iddrisu.goifnetwork.org/begin/
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# [jgmac1106] here is my tutorial...after all my hemming and hawing I may stick with Known over WP...let see if I can get it running on name.com......setting up and connecting database scare me
# [jgmac1106] hmmm didn't unfurl....what markup did I mess up now
# [jgmac1106] darn must have missed some
# [jgmac1106] thx
# [jgmac1106] aaronpk is it okay if I have a p-author with a full h-card and h-card with a u-uid to my homepage in the footer
# [jgmac1106] I like displaying author h-card on articles but not notes, but didn't want to have to deal with two different footers
# [jgmac1106] yeah it is more for not displaying my author info on notes and using <href="/"> so I have a link to an h-card on in my footer that points to my homepage. I put a u-uid there.
# [jgmac1106] thx
# [jgmac1106] well back to doing Known Installs
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# sivy Well, got my entire tweet archive - up to Jan 20 - imported into my site
# sivy as notes
# sivy http://monkinetic.blog/archive -- blue is posts, pink is notes
# sivy right now "notes" are just "posts without a title" so there's a few false posisitves
# sivy but I think i'm going to have to make some actual. distinction
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[chrisaldrich] !tell [fluffy] Saw your /citation conversation from yesterday, if it helps I know [jeremycherfas] and I have been thinking about that idea if you want to brainstorm something. via https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2020-02-06#t1581016691904200 see also: https://boffosocko.com/2020/01/29/the-discovery-metadata-field-matt-maldre/
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# [chrisaldrich] The prior art that the now-defunct Curator's code did was fascinating. I need to find an easier way of collecting the data other than manually so that posting it to my site is easier and more frequent.
# [chrisaldrich] I've been debating doing either some of that or iterating on some of my 2015 WordPress theme work this weekend for the Online IndieWebCamp.
# [chrisaldrich] Perhaps if we could find a timeslot it might make an interesting impromptu session?
# [chrisaldrich] should have known better mentioning WordPress in a publicly logged channel with GWG. 🙂
# sivy [snarfed] yeah, I do have syndication links in the works see it in action on the home page: http://monkinetic.blog/
# [chrisaldrich] GWG is also heavily interested in citations too.
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[fluffy] okay here we go. http://beesbuzz.biz/blog/chatter/ — the two most recent posts now have a (again, probably-malformed) h-cite.
# [chrisaldrich] I've been debating that same point too.
# [chrisaldrich] We could do a different timeframe sometime this weekend...
# [jgmac1106] what would be the difference between that an hi-cite?
# [jgmac1106] h-cite?
# [jgmac1106] ohh scrolled up, already discussed
# [chrisaldrich] I've been thinking of using it from an academic/research perspective in particular.
# [jgmac1106] I do h-cite for that....but chrisaldrich mapoping mf2 to academic citations is a very scary dark place
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@JoeBuhlig I’m looking to add microblog and webmention support to a Wordpress site. Any plugin recommendations for doing so? I’d rather not build it as it looks like I need a Custom Post Type. (twitter.com/_/status/1225901373696462849)
# [chrisaldrich] Curator's code had an interesting way of distinguishing between the ideas of hat tip and via. Though I'm not sure that the distinction is broadly distributed.
# [chrisaldrich] I often use them as a means of reminding myself where I found a particular piece of information, which can often be useful in backtracking my own footsteps. The forward looking piece to give credit is also valuable in it's own right.
# [jgmac1106] fluffy I go bak to in terms of your display a mention within a like or bookmark could be displayed as a h/t without metadata
# [chrisaldrich] I also think about these things for our future selves when some enterprising person decides to pick up our work and create an indieweb discovery engine.
# [chrisaldrich] I've got to run to pick up a monkey from school, but let's all keep thinking and iterating on this. If there's a convenient time during camp, post it on one of the planning pages and we'll circle back on it.
# @JoeBuhlig I’m looking to add microblog and webmention support to a Wordpress site. Any plugin recommendations for doing so? I’d rather not build it as it looks like I need a Custom Post Type. (twitter.com/_/status/1225902687453089793)
# [jgmac1106] yeah we can add a session on h/t all it takes is two people...I wish we stuck with the 24 hour session window...rather than looking for magical UTC block...and just letting facilitators choose what works best for them
# [jgmac1106] oops guess that is meta
# [jgmac1106] okay, I updated to latest Known version, deleted the IndiePub plugin, and still can't log into any microsub client...strangely the micropub side works, can anyone point me to anywhere I should begin to read up to try and sort this out?
# [jgmac1106] deleted and reinstalled I should say
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# sknebel aaronpk: getting emails from github that I'm using an app - Indieauth.com - with outdated API authentication: https://developer.github.com/changes/2019-11-05-deprecated-passwords-and-authorizations-api/#authenticating-using-query-parameters
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