#meta 2020-03-24

2020-03-24 UTC
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[chrisaldrich] What is Well?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Well" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Well is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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@caseofducks I keep forgetting to #indieweb-ify my homepage (twitter.com/_/status/1242300484028739584)
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Salt[m] Sooo, Covid19 HWC?
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@altsalt @murderofcrows Covid19 HWC, #IWSeattle hosts? #IndieWeb can be what we want and what we need, but how to get on it? @aaronpk @t @gRegorLove @gingerblackdesigns @andrew@AndrewKvalheim @andrew #FLOSS #freesocial unite @indiewebcamp ! POSSE: https://social.coop/@salt/103876495907924587 (twitter.com/_/status/1242330699434082304)
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@altsalt @murderofcrows Covid19 HWC, #IWSeattle hosts? #IndieWeb can be what we want and what we need, but how to get on it? @aaronpk @t @gRegorLove @gingerblackdesigns @AndrewKvalheim #FLOSS #freesocial unite @indiewebcamp ! PESOS: https://social.coop/@salt/103876495907924587 (twitter.com/_/status/1242331273281982464)
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Salt[m] cough
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[jeremycherfas] I’m wondering why /indiewebring contains a link to /wikifying at the end of examples. It does not offer any more details *about indiewebring* that I could see.
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[jeremycherfas] Maybe it should link to https://xn--sr8hvo.ws/terms instead, but I am reluctant to make the change as I don’t understand the basis for the original link.
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sknebel [jeremycherfas]: all "add yourself here" lists have that, to tell people how to get their short template
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sknebel its not specific to that page
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[jeremycherfas] That is a huge page to point people to. And if the purpose is to make it easy to add yourself, then I would suggest that it might go better immediately after the Indieweb Examples section heading. But, as I say, if there’s history and all that, I am reluctant to change. Glad I asked.
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sknebel could maybe at least give more context, yeah
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sknebel good idea
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svenknebel.de edited /indiewebring (-7) "link representative h-card specifically" (view diff)
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sknebel [jeremycherfas] see ^^^ re h-card
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sknebel "representative h-card" is a specific thing
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[jeremycherfas] And here’s mine, as seen in indiewebify.me https://indiewebify.me/validate-h-card/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjeremycherfas.net
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[jeremycherfas] So, if indiewebify.me has a test for a representative h-card, and the test finds something on my home page, can’t I assume that what it finds is a representative h-card?
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sknebel ah hm
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sknebel that should of course work
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sknebel -> back to dev
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@_vincentritter There are days I wish the IndieWeb Wiki is modern and easy to look at. I think more people would be inclined to look at it in this day and age. People love pretty things! https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started (twitter.com/_/status/1242413743134388226)
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@Dries Submit your talks to the Open Web track for DrupalCon Barcelona 2020 https://events.drupal.org/barcelona2020/news/submit-your-talks-open-web-community-track-drupalcon-barcelona-2020 #openweb #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1242422918283493376)
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@swentel ↩️ I'll submit a (Drupal) IndieWeb session, trying to get it as 101 as possible - which is tricky :) In case there's a panel, I'm up for participating in that, or helping out in another way. (twitter.com/_/status/1242427976320417792)
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loqi.me created /NoUI (+385) "prompted by [LewisCowles] and dfn added by [LewisCowles]" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Salt[m], yes to virtual meetups! The next regular-schedule one is April 15th. East coast has one scheduled that night, could do a west coast one too.
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gRegorLove In SD we've been doing monthly, so our next scheduled one is April 29th
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gRegorLove https://events.indieweb.org if you want to set up an event log in and try it out! We have Zoom accounts we can use.
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GWG Maybe we want to alternate the weeks.
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GWG West Coast and East Coast on different weeks, because virtually, many can attend either or both.
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[tantek] I'm up for switching to every week online West Coast meetups because I think especially during these times, providing that as a place for folks to check-in with each other regularly would be quite helpful
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[tantek] and that way you can always skip one week and participate the next etc.
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[tantek] knowing it is "every week"
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[tantek] we could rotate who is "hosting" as well so it's not all on one person.
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jacky ^
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jacky distributing the load to help flatten the curve :)
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[tantek] NASCAR problem << https://twitter.com/jedschmidt/status/1239125609856581633
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/jedschmidt/status/1239125609856581633" to the "See Also" section of /NASCAR_problem https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=69219&oldid=63682
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[tantek] NASCAR problem << https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETJCKp1WoAQqRkg.jpg
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Loqi ok, I added "https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETJCKp1WoAQqRkg.jpg" to the "See Also" section of /NASCAR_problem https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=69220&oldid=69219
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gRegorLove +1 tantek
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gRegorLove I think it's fine to have east coast and west coast same day
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gRegorLove regular schedule with more flexible times for people
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Salt[m] gRegorLove that's too far away! Would be nice to have at least one hwc meeting this week
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gRegorLove See [tantek]'s suggestion above^ weekly :)
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gRegorLove Want to host one tomorrow night?
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@jackyalcine Opinion: A Lesson From The People Of Wuhan https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/triciawang/a-lesson-from-the-people-of-wuhan-community-hyper-local via @triciawang Strong piece on hyper-local, almost #indieweb-level, social networks are keeping people alive and strong in Wuhan (twitter.com/_/status/1242531163446468609)
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tantek.com edited /NASCAR_problem (+328) "organize a bit, why, examples of sign-in and payments" (view diff)
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[aaronpk] Anyone who has recently helped out organizing an indiewebcamp, would you mind adding things to this list to make sure it’s a complete list of what you need to run an IWC? https://indieweb.org/IndieWebCamp_kit
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tantek.com edited /NASCAR_problem (+241) "naming explanation to why, likely mid-2000s origins of the phrase, more context for historical citations" (view diff)
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[tantek] There was also a bit of deliberate design in the contents of the kit, in order to keep it fitting within a certain sized "container" (large binder / folder thingie?) instead of being a big laundry list that needs a big "box" to fit it all into.
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[tantek] That being said, some "backup supplies" of some of the contents (e.g. pronoun pins, stickers) would be good to have in addition
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[tantek] Some amount of a "kit" gets "used up" / consumed during an IWC, and it's good to understand that set of things vs. the set of reusable things
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[tantek] and then provide extra "stock" for the things that get used up
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sknebel where is the "european" kit right now? with [Rose]?
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sknebel [aaronpk]: some kind of painters tape (is that the right word?) to place signs/arrows? Said signs or material to make them?
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rosemaryorchard.com edited /IndieWebCamp_kit (+175) "Add directions/signs" (view diff)
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@ChrisAldrich I'm actually happy to pay the relative pittance to renew my @ReclaimHosting account to keep my websites, wikis, and other online services. Owning my own domain can sometimes be a challenge, but it's completely worth it. #DoOO #IndieWeb https://boffosocko.com/2020/03/24/55769613/ (twitter.com/_/status/1242552954193719296)
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Salt[m] gRegorLove: what time, probably
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gRegorLove Salt[m], whatever works for you as host :) I've usually done 6-8pm
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[tantek] I think that's a good regular time
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[tantek] We should stick to it so people know to expect it
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Loqi yea
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[tantek] sknebel, good Q, we should have multiple European kits, maybe one with Joschi, one with Marc Thiele, and at least 1-2 in England too, one for London folks, one for Jeremy in Brighton
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Salt[m] hmm, I am down, but have another call that I'd need to break away for, though only pay side attention
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Salt[m] it's an everyother week and this happens to be the week
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[tantek] I wonder if Matrix protocol supports editing (per jacky, [LewisCowles] discussion in #indieweb)
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jacky it does IIRC
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[tantek] interesting. I wonder if anyone has built a Slack/Matrix bridge that federates such editing!
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sknebel yeah, their "official" bridge supports that
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sknebel (quotes because it's under their github org but I don't know how they view that label)
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[tantek] which "their/they"?
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sknebel matrix.org project
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sknebel looking at the repo, I guess "The bridge is considered stable and mature for use in production environments." justifies the label
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[tantek] nice
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gRegorLove Salt[m], I can join tomorrow night
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GWG Tomorrow night?
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GWG Are we adding a meetup this week?
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gRegorLove Yeah https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2020-03-24#t1585076267997700
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Loqi [[tantek]] I'm up for switching to every week online West Coast meetups because I think especially during these times, providing that as a place for folks to check-in with each other regularly would be quite helpful
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GWG I'm happy to have any meetups. It makes me feel less alone
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gRegorLove word!
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GWG Of course, my parents are back in NY
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GWG But I haven't been less than 10 feet from them
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gRegorLove Salt[m], want to try setting up the event on the new events site? There's a clone event option if you want to start with https://events.indieweb.org/2020/03/online-homebrew-website-club-west-coast-bSBT0ZceMIHo
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Salt[m] cool, will do
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Salt[m] have a meeting in 10, lets see if I can get going on it before then :}
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Salt[m] gRegorLove: check it? https://events.indieweb.org/2020/03/online-homebrew-website-club-west-coast-5CZGhYbdcga1
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+179) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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sknebel point of reference from work today: zoom on a technical level works quite well with 80 people in a call. I suspect managing a vHWC gets difficult though a bit earlier :D
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aaronpk nice! my biggest multi-video zoom has been like 25-30
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aaronpk i do broadcasts with 100+ people all the time, but not with all 100 with video on
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[tantek] Do we have an existing "warning box" for the HTML / styling on 2020.indieweb.org events? Or should I make one up?
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Salt[m] I am surprised at the scale Zoom is handling, taught a 100 person class with it last week
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sknebel I think we had 60 or so with video (although I couldn't get it to show more than 25 at a time)
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aaronpk there's an option in the desktop app to show a 7x7 grid for 49
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sknebel hm.... ok, I didn't want to make the screenshare really small, maybe that was it
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gRegorLove Salt[m], looks good. Is that the university's Zoom?
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gRegorLove We had some griefing last time, so host should disable screensharing initially / avoid linking directly on Twitter
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[tantek] And /Zoom documents how to do that step-by-step right?
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[tantek] last I checked there was no obvious way as an admin
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[tantek] maybe I'm just missing it
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aaronparecki.com edited /Zoom (+178) "/* Tips for Hosts */" (view diff)
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/Zoom#Tips_for_Hosts
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aaronpk i need to update that section with screenshots, but i think i locked that setting on the indieweb accounts
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gRegorLove I forget our testing already, hah. I think the host needs to select under the options "Only You" can share screen.
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gRegorLove I think when it's locked at the account level, the host couldn't toggle it to "All Participants"
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aaronpk ahh
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aaronpk right
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gRegorLove Found documentation on that, will update if you're not editing
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Salt[m] gRegorLove: yeah, I don't know if I can create a room without it
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aaronpk go for it gRegorLove
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GWG I want to write about the challenges of Session Planning in an IWC online event, by the way
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aaronpk GWG: please do! now is an excellent time for that!
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GWG aaronpk: In one sentence...the in person hasn't translated well and needs brainstorming. But I will elaborate
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aaronpk i have also found that my in-person events haven't translated one-to-one online
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GWG aaronpk: You are involved in donut.js, which is a very different sort of periodic meetup
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GWG When I was contemplating what a 1-2 Indiewebcamp session event might look like, I thought of that
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aaronpk donut.js has cancelled everything so far and doesn't yet have plans to move to virtual
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[tantek] they were 100% in-person right? there was no remote viewing / Q&A?
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aaronpk we did occasionally livestream them but never actually promoted that and nobody ever watched them online 😂
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GWG aaronpk: Yes, I was more thinking about drawing inspiration, not the same sort of event
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GWG But I'll ask the broader question
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GWG HWC or an Indieweb meetup is a more casual event
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GWG If I'm missing the barcamp style discussions, what does a 1-2 hour version of IWC look like?
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gregorlove.com edited /Zoom (+640) "/* Tips for Hosts */ inline steps for turning off screensharing, Zoom support link, formatting" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] If Salt[m] is hosting a West Coast vHWC this week, I'll offer to do next Wednesday. aaronpk, can you email me the necessary Zoom details? the email in my h-card should work.
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aaronpk sure
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aaronpk Zoom << https://aaronparecki.com/2020/03/24/4/tips-and-tools-for-remote-meetings-and-presentations
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Loqi ok, I added "https://aaronparecki.com/2020/03/24/4/tips-and-tools-for-remote-meetings-and-presentations" to the "See Also" section of /Zoom https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=69230&oldid=69229
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[chrisaldrich] For the IWC organizer boxes, is it worth having some name tags custom made to actually say "Hello, my website is:"? That could be an easier/more /fun thing to centralize and then ship out with the fallback of the more generic nametags.
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aaronpk remote participation << https://aaronparecki.com/2020/03/24/4/tips-and-tools-for-remote-meetings-and-presentations
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Loqi ok, I added "https://aaronparecki.com/2020/03/24/4/tips-and-tools-for-remote-meetings-and-presentations" to the "See Also" section of /remote_participation https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=69231&oldid=68251
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aaronpk [chrisaldrich]: good idea, i'd love that
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aaronpk stickermule stickers would work, but would be a bit expensive i think. i can look in to other vendors tho
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Salt[m] gRegorLove what's that about issues sharing on Twitter?
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gRegorLove Zoom links are public by default and unless the host disables it, they can screen share when they join.
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gRegorLove Last west coast call it happened twice where someone shared unsavory video
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Salt[m] Gotcha
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gRegorLove https://indieweb.org/Zoom#Tips_for_Hosts has some recs
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Salt[m] Yeah going through that
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gRegorLove whoa, great post aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 63 karma in this channel over the last year (205 in all channels)
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aaronpk thanks! it was a multi-day effort :)
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GWG [chrisaldrich], aaronpk: I think we discussed that before, but we didn't follow through.
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GWG We did do some research
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