#meta 2020-03-29
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@iamdave I just discovered the #indieweb. I can’t look away. I don’t want to either. https://t.co/vul6O7NzSY (twitter.com/_/status/1244053228704215046)
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[chrisaldrich] Perhaps some community building open source stuff hiding in here https://medium.com/@teamwarren/open-source-tools-from-the-warren-for-president-tech-team-f1f27d2c7551 Without getting into heavy politics I will say that her campaign did seem the most undieweb to me.
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich]++ for “most /undieweb”
# [chrisaldrich] #dyac, but great all the same. I suppose self care while staying at home means I should get dressed like I was going to the office.
# [chrisaldrich] I would think my phone would default to suggesting IndieWeb every 10 words by now.
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GWG [chrisaldrich] and I are hosting a WordPress themed Indieweb online meetup. https://events.indieweb.org/2020/04/wordpress-indieweb-online-meetup-NjCeyH2w2kSI
# [chrisaldrich] tantek++ for double entendre in that definition
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boffosocko.com edited /TiddlyWiki (+86) "https://nota-bene.glitch.me/ remixable version of TiddlyWiki hosted on [[Glitch]]" (view diff)
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# boffosocko.com edited /Zoom (+147) "One does not need to download the app to use Zoom." (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Zoom (-15) "not a silo: you do not need an account to join a Zoom call, which is the first bullet point in the definition of silo" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /lost_infrastructure (+60) "/* Comparison table */ superfeedr is not search, it's pinging / notification, AtomPub was the API, no one used RDF as actually consumed metadata in the "old days" (except briefly by MovableType in Trackback which died a quick spam death)" (view diff)
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# [chrisaldrich] technically not a silo in that stance, but given their corporate stance of collecting personal data and sending it to partners without permission??? definitely a predatory silo-like behavior.
# [chrisaldrich] Zoom also isn't self-hostable either, so perhaps its in some third category that we don't have a name for?
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Loqi A commons is a centralized web content hosting site, where users are able to freely contribute content, and easily retrieve it, typically each others' content as well https://indieweb.org/commons
# [chrisaldrich] Zoom also requires some sort of identity or name to use it (even if made up) and I would bet, given recent reports that they're sending data to facebook, that they're using some sort of browser fingerprinting and/or Facebook like buttons, etc. to scrape some personal data.
# [chrisaldrich] I haven't looked into it specifically, but if it looks like a silo and it holds/trades data like a silo... 😉 Though I will concede your point that not requiring an account is certainly a step in the right direction.
# [chrisaldrich] I'm not either, but hopefully some are looking closely at what Zoom is actually doing.
# [chrisaldrich] Their business model does give me some confidence, but too many tech companies aren't always upfront with what they're doing with our data.
# [chrisaldrich] The conspiracist in me would be willing to bet they've got an internal research group that is collecting data for potential voice recognition/face recognition and AI algorithm expansion...
# [chrisaldrich] but I'll bookmark their terms of use to see what they do or don't say about the data I'm giving them...
# [chrisaldrich] catches up on earlier related conversations in #chat
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loqi.me edited /Web_We_Found (+67) "[tantek] added "Slides: http://slides.kevinmarks.com/leweb.html" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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# Loqi ok, I added "https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/28/21197967/zoom-ios-app-code-tracking-facebook" to the "See Also" section of /Zoom https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=69291&oldid=69282
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# Loqi ok, I added "https://blog.zoom.us/wordpress/2020/03/27/zoom-use-of-facebook-sdk-in-ios-client/" to the "See Also" section of /Zoom https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=69292&oldid=69291
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