#meta 2020-04-25

2020-04-25 UTC
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[tantek] Found this and am going to try to watch a bunch of the sessions https://reseteverything.events — some indieweb friendly / participant folks in there like Brian Behlendorf, Jeff Jarvis etc.
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+176) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /js;dr (+940) "js;dr stickers as the emojicon instead, provide summary expansion at the top, print examples" (view diff)
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hans.gerwitz.com edited /Micropub/Clients (+171) "/* Clients */" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /JSON (+512) "/* See Also */ Add Microsoft’s jsonc format. Not to be confused with jsonc, JSONC, or json-c." (view diff)
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Zegnat Continuing my quest to make indieweb.org/JSON the canonical repository of all links to JSON ever, apparently :P
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[tantek] meta complaint / call for help. We need to be better at distinguishing what is real & useful in practice *today* vs. what people "could" do. The latter needs to always get pushed into "Brainstorming" sections, and left there to iterate until it's actually *real* with real world examples you can link to.
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[tantek] Latest example of this I'm discovering is on the /badges page
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[tantek] we should assume the typical, average, common reader of our wiki pages is coming there to be informed, not do development per se.
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[tantek] or rather, the tinkering developer who wants to see what others's thoughts are before they reinvent something is the minority, and they'll read through the whole page, so no need to try to optimize for them
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Loqi definitely
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aaronpk +1
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tantek.com edited /badge (+45) "move brainstorming sections above into the main Brainstorming section below" (view diff)
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[tantek] ^^^ that's an example of what I'm talking about
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tantek.com edited /badge (+183) "San Francisco Elections other example, itemize points of open badges criticism for easier summary" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /transclusion (+18) "prompted by [chrisaldrich] and redirect added by chrisaldrich" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /Wikity (+117) "prompted by Zegnat and dfn added by [chrisaldrich]" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /Wikity (+289) "link to theme; see also" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] Tantek++ for lazy consensus and getting to a shared common text structure
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loqi.me created /inclusion (+69) "prompted by [jgmac1106] and dfn added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /2015/Germany/linked-data (+39) "[tantek] added "[[Category:jargon]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] Should prolly fix that inclusion page... Some day
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[tantek] aaronpk, IDK if it was Loqi's jargon detector or insufficient words in Loqi's list(s)
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chrisaldrich mindmap << Nototo https://www.nototo.app/, a visual note taking application
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Loqi ok, I added "Nototo https://www.nototo.app/, a visual note taking application" to the "See Also" section of /mindmap https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=69649&oldid=67603
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[jgmac1106] Skenbel++ for promoting positive community
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GWG I'm thinking of uploading both the speaker and the gallery view to archive.org. Since they allow multiple videos in a single entry
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tantek.com edited /Category:jargon (+220) "add a bunch more terms from the #indieweb channel" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Category:jargon (+57) "more jargon words from dev" (view diff)
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[tantek] I'm starting to think that if an IWC session is developer-centric (i.e. uses jargon in the name of the session), OR if any session (IWC, or HWC) is predominantly (75%+?) attended by developers that by default speak like developers, then they should use the #indieweb-dev channel for chat instead of the main #indieweb channe.
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aaronpk possibly even a new channel given that most of the context of the conversation will not be in chat
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[tantek] yeah, I think that's why some have started to use an Etherpad to take notes instead of chat which seems sensible to me
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[tantek] some HWCs that is
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[tantek] since we've already been doing that since the beginning for IWC sessions
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[tantek] whose idea was that (etherpad for HWC notes), gRegorLove? Salt? I feel like it just started this past week or maybe the week before
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[tantek] feels like a good idea we should capture
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Zegnat Creation of ephemeral topic IRC channels? *shivers*
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[tantek] yeah an Etherpad should be enough, then announce the pad in meta
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Zegnat Hmm, do we need the channel name translation we do for Slack in the web chat too? https://chat.indieweb.org/2020-04-25/1587853110090200
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Loqi [Zegnat] Ah, it is just called #dev there
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aaronpk the web logs should be showing what ends up in IRC
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Zegnat In this case wondering because asking web chat users to switch to #indieweb-dev is not something they can do without know they need to press #dev in the sidebar
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aaronpk oh hmm
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aaronpk tricky
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Zegnat Kind of the same concerns as with Slack. Instructing people to switch channels is hard as it depends on the medium they are using to connect
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boffosocko.com created /events/2020-04-25-garden-and-the-stream (+147) "stub" (view diff)
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sknebel the weblogs could link it?
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sknebel i.e. make "#indieweb-dev" a link to the web archive for indieweb-dev on the same date?
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aaronpk hm yeah that's probably the best
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sknebel (the "same date" is bonus points, but makes following moving conversations a lot easier)
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aaronpk sknebel++ yeah
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[tantek] Great idea sknebel++
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boffosocko.com uploaded /File:GardenAndStreamSession.PNG "A screencapture of some of the participants of the Garden and the Stream discussion convened on Zoom. https://indieweb.org/File:GardenAndStreamSession.PNG"
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tantek.com edited /watch (+289) "/* Tantek */ add proto-watch post examples of "watched" with youtube link" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /watch (+123) "/* Neil Mather */ a few more details about the post structures" (view diff)