#meta 2020-05-04

2020-05-04 UTC
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[tantek] thanks sebsel and doubleloop!
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[tantek] I figured I'd take the opportunity to search the past of Twitter for previous uses of "indie web", and they're nearly all adjectives
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[tantek] Interestingly, it appears there was a use of capitalized "Indie Web" as part of a longer phrase (for a lunch [meetup]) just a couple of months after I posted that: https://twitter.com/mgkimsal/status/18040500046
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@mgkimsal North Raleigh Indie Web Dev Lunch at Anzio's in Rolesville today - noon - http://bit.ly/bXZfd2 - I'll be there - care to join me? (twitter.com/_/status/18040500046)
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[tantek] subsequently shortened to "Indie Web meetup" https://twitter.com/pelargir/status/18053987611
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@pelargir Enjoyed meeting @upstartup, @bella_fella, @peppergraphics, @nes49 and others at the Indie Web meetup in Rolesville today. #localrox (twitter.com/_/status/18053987611)
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[tantek] and "Indie Web meeting": https://twitter.com/runnercards/status/18054997396
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@runnercards @pelargir Enjoyed meeting you at the Indie Web meeting also. Thanks for the follow. (twitter.com/_/status/18054997396)
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[tantek] Initial note about it (no #indieweb tag before the tweet break so didn't trigger Loqi), I have a bunch more tabs open that I may add to a longer blog post: https://tantek.com/2020/124/t1/ten-years-ago-the-indie-web-definite-noun
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Ten years ago the death of Blogger FTP two days before inspired introducing “the indie web” as a definite noun phrase: > Blogger turned off FTP May 1st [2010] Who/what will step up for the indie web? http://tantek.com/2010/123/t2/blogger-turned-o...
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jeremycherfas Can I POSSE an event from my website to events.indieweb.org?
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[tantek] One could even ask if that could/should be the preferred method of interaction as an event host!
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jeremycherfas One could.
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jeremycherfas Instead, one asks what the protocol is for using a Zoom room for the meeting, if that is permitted.
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aaronpk there are so many fields to set for events that any sort of automated POSSE would likely be very error prone
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aaronpk i'm thinking of a more manual "import event from URL" option which would go parse the page and populate the fields on meetable's create event UI
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[tantek] so semi-automatic POSSE
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[tantek] as along as that option is at a GET based URL that I can auto-launch from my site, that sounds like a good step
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[tantek] (should be ok because it doesn't actually change any state until you submit the POST)
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aaronpk yeah that's what i was thinking
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aaronpk that'll also help me a lot because i post the same event on a couple different sites, so it'll be able to import from itself too :)
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[tantek] also, "so many fields", well, each of those is a consuming use-case for mf2 properties isn't it?
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aaronpk think of just the start and end date properties alone
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aaronpk "start" in mf2 actually has 3 parts: date, time, timezone
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[tantek] right, mf2 supports the needs there
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aaronpk and so many sites have broken date handling that I definitely don't trust them to automatically send the right data
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aaronpk (mine included)
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[tantek] hah! sounds like a good use-case for an IndieWebifyme event post validator 😄
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aaronpk "are you sure this event really starts at midnight?"
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[tantek] that that's more of an ICS bug 😛
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aaronpk nah
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[tantek] more like: are you sure this event ends at 00:00:00
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aaronpk most language date handling will parse a date string like "2020-05-04" into "2020-05-04 00:00:00"
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aaronpk then render it back out as midnight
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[tantek] no seriously, ICS dtend design was fundamentally broken from a usability perspective.
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[tantek] and yeah, programming languages don't have date handling. they have datetime handling where they add artificial precision 😛
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aaronpk this is the reason my site's event posts are broken, because I store the mf2 data, which stores the property "start" as the ISO8601 string, and when it goes to save it it renders out the H:M:S blindly
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aaronpk meetable has separate fields for date and time and timezone so that it's easier to get it right
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[tantek] ISO8601 is not the problem. It has specific date semantics
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[tantek] it's your programming language rendering the date that's not implementing ISO8601 correctly 😛
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aaronpk that's what i'm saying
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aaronpk most languages have that problem
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[tantek] limitation. they have time handling. they don't have date handling. that's my point
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aaronpk we're saying the same thing
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aaronpk the point is it's a mess and it means i can't rely on that data
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[tantek] no you can't rely on the programming language.
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[tantek] the data itself is fine.
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aaronpk most of this data comes from programming languages
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[tantek] and frankly, splitting up the data won't help
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aaronpk very few of these event posts are hand authored
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aaronpk splitting up the data doesn't help because the underlying problem in the languages isn't solved
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[tantek] people will still strcat it together to jam it into whatever programming language functions pretend to handle dates
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[tantek] right so the problem is not in the format
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aaronpk i never said it was
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[tantek] then I misunderstood what you meant by "think of just the start and end date properties alone"
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aaronpk i was giving an example of why events are a mess to deal with in an automated way
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aaronpk it just means that i'm going to force manual review by a person looking at the data before allowing any sort of automated copying of the data
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sknebel jeremycherfas: aaronpk can give you the username/password for one of the indieweb zoom accounts
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jeremycherfas I'll do it by hand, later.
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aaronpk what is SSG?
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Loqi Static site generators are programs that take a set of flat text files on disk and transforms them into a set of static html files ready to be served by a standard web server, or some variation of this example https://indieweb.org/SSG
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aaronpk SSG << https://twitter.com/zachleat/status/1257414895110369280
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/zachleat/status/1257414895110369280" to the "See Also" section of /static_site_generator https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=69806&oldid=69598
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jamietanna[m] Do we pay for 1password? Just seen https://twitter.com/bitandbang/status/1257409043943116805 which may be a good hack to get away from paying
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@bitandbang Apparently @1Password has implemented one of the simplest free-for-open-source approaches I've ever seen: 1⃣ create a 1Password team 2⃣ add someone to the team 3⃣ PR your project into the repo's README Here's the repo, for any interested projects 👀 https://github.com/1Password/1password-teams-open-source (twitter.com/_/status/1257409043943116805)
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aaronpk that's what we did :)
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aaronpk couple years ago
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jamietanna[m] Ah awesome ☺
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