#meta 2020-05-27

2020-05-27 UTC
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@geonz ↩️ Sticking with D2L (oh, let's not even talk about copying a quiz question in math!!! How many years was it "almost here!!") ... and experimenting as rank amateur in HTML5/JavaScript/CSS per #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1265437504750202881)
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GWG Should we finalize the dates for IWC West, East, Mars...what have you?
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aaronpk yes i suppose so!
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Loqi aaronpk: [tantek] left you a message 19 hours, 48 minutes ago: odd, looks like https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Special%3AUpload&returntoquery= is back whereas it should redirect to https://sso.indieweb.org/login?url=https%3A%2F%2Findieweb.org%2FSpecial%253AUpload right? Found on https://indieweb.org/Special:Upload when logged out, in text "Please log in to upload files", "log in" links to it
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aaronpk hm i don't think there's a way to make that redirect automatically
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aaronpk i guess i could do a horrible hack which is to add a redirect rule in nginx that redirects any time "title=Special:UserLogin" is in the query string
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jacky nginx++
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Loqi nginx has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (2 in all channels)
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jacky hacking++
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Loqi hacking has 1 karma over the last year
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jacky lol
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GWG There's an opening the weekend of the 27th
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@soapdog ↩️ O nome disso é silo. Eles não querem link pra manter vc dentro da plataforma deles e seguir minerando suas atividades. Vale uma olhada em https://indieweb.org/, é hora de voltarmos a ter nossas próprias plataformas. (twitter.com/_/status/1265449177384923136)
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[chrisaldrich] GWG I like that weekend of the 27th! Let's shoot for it and see what happens.
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GWG Put it on the calendar then?
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gRegorLove when is IWC Mars?
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Loqi what
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gRegorLove Bummer
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aaronpk 2422
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gRegorLove Hm, I have a thing then
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GWG gRegorLove: Get yourself to Mars
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jacky lol
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apiratelifefor.me edited /blogroll (+222) (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Category:jargon (+33) (view diff)
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[tw2113] grrr, how do i determine what value to put in `{{ }}` so that it actually renders my profile link?
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aaronpk What is wikify
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[tw2113] I'd like to not use `[[User:Apiratelifefor.me]]` if i can help it
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Loqi wikifying is the practice of capturing information and ideas on the wiki https://indieweb.org/wikify
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gRegorLove [tw2113], Did you set one up like this? https://indieweb.org/Template:sparkline#How_to_make_a_small_h-card_template
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/wikifying#Step_Four:_Add_a_sparkline
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[tw2113] if i did, i don't recall, and if it isn't working thus far, probably not 😄
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gRegorLove Check the "what links here" for your user page
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[tw2113] will do
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gRegorLove Doesn't look like there's one https://indieweb.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/User:Apiratelifefor.me
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gRegorLove You can pick whatever nickname you'd like when setting up the template, as long as it's not already taken. Doesn't have to match chat name or domain
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gRegorLove usually chat nickname is used though
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apiratelifefor.me created /Template:Apiratelifefor.me (+149) "Created page with "<span class="h-card">{{sparkline| https://apiratelifefor.me/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/michael-150x150.jpg}} [[User:Apiratelifefor.me|tw2113]]</span>"" (view diff)
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[tw2113] wheee. Thanks gRegor and Aaron
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gRegorLove welcome!
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@jackyalcine Most of the Web tossed it. The @indiewebcamp hasn't and evolved in a way that literally everyone can pick up today tbh (twitter.com/_/status/1265532246431281155)
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@ChrisAldrich Too late on West coast to start something now, but my mind is buzzing. I'll come up with something #IndieWeb-by/#DoOO-y overnight to post tomorrow.  I'm curious what @jgmac1106, @mrkrndvs & others might whip up while I sleep? https://boffosocko.com/2020/05/26/55771473/ https://twitter.com/pressedconf/status/1265516334336573440 (twitter.com/_/status/1265534014485602304)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Oops link: https://indieweb.org/silo-quits (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1c2ij7) (twitter.com/_/status/1265612268135493632)
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@derhess ↩️ The @indiewebcamp community developed many plugins and extensions for various amount of web based #cms (e.g. wordpress, Drupal, etc. ) maybe that might be a starting point?! (twitter.com/_/status/1265618489731100672)
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@derhess ↩️ The @indiewebcamp community deals with content management across different social media platform. There pesos https://indieweb.org/PESOS or micropub https://indieweb.org/Micropub principle might be interesting. I don't know if there exist an #ssb API for those indieweb websites ?! (twitter.com/_/status/1265618043956350976)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ We use the /silo-quits page to show how others are modeling what it takes to recenter the web into our communities rather than corporate control. This is my entry: https://indieweb.org/silo-quits#J._Gregory_McVerry (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1RmLdL) (twitter.com/_/status/1265632308956205057)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Why always ask for member check before adding people. #IndieWeb community of trying to build a people centric alternative to the corporate web, where you own your content and control your data https://indieweb.org/ (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/L2pmf) (twitter.com/_/status/1265631787591643136)
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@kev_mcg ↩️ And we can have a more nuanced understanding of why things like the indieweb and the cozyweb are emerging—as both a retreat from the trackers, trolls, and bots filling the public squares, and as a way to fill a real need for a full spectrum of public and private spaces online. (twitter.com/_/status/1265638003571130368)
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aaronpk Wel that's an unexpected reaction
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/hps_vanessa/status/1265630033663664131
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@HPS_Vanessa @jgmac1106 I don't know what that is but it looks very surveillance-y and creepy, so, no, please don't. (twitter.com/_/status/1265630033663664131)
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aaronpk maybe worth rewriting the intro to that page
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@kevinmarks ↩️ Indeed https://indieweb.org/architecture_astronomy (twitter.com/_/status/1265663257328660481)
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[tantek] aaronpk, I checked the intro to /silo-quits and it's very plain/direct, neutral tone like Wikipedia. What direction would you suggest taking?
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aaronpk this is one of the few pages that collects peoples names who did not add themselves to the wiki
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jacky ^
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aaronpk so maybe some clarification of why
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[tantek] [jgmac1106]++ for asking explicitly
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Loqi [jgmac1106] has 30 karma in this channel over the last year (85 in all channels)
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[tantek] ok that's an excellent distinction
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[tantek] might be time to scope that a bit more tightly
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jacky what are silo quits
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Loqi silo quits are public statements by individuals announcing they have publicly quit posting on or using (at all) various silos with intended permanence. Compare with temporary or soft quits which are sometimes referred to as taking a "social media break" https://indieweb.org/silo-quits
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[tantek] e.g. people in the IndieWeb community (who are clearly participating in doing so), and then I think it's also ok to include "very public" people like celebrities, political figures, other "notable people"
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aaronpk agreed, i think separating those two groups will help too
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[tantek] we could separate those two groups per year, to keep the timeline intact
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aaronpk sure
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[tantek] and then we can make it clear that anyone who publicly silo-quits is welcome to add themselves (or ask to be added)
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[tantek] so it's either you're a celebrity / public figure / notable (like being in Wikipedia is sufficient but not necessary), OR you're in the community and added yourself, OR you publicly requested to be added.
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aaronpk yeah like an invitation: "Want to be included in this growing list? Log in and add yourself, or drop by the chat and ask"
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[tantek] Yup
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[tantek] And then instead of offering to add people, we can congratulate people for quitting, point out they're not alone (link to silo-quits), and then invite them to join IndieWeb for alternatives. Then they can read the invitation to add themselves on the page itself, instead of it being like a personal sales pitch
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[tantek] Point being, it's more important to provide support for a positive (join IndieWeb!) than it is to provide support for a negative (want to be added to silo-quits?)
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aaronpk 👍
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[KevinMarks] Nice reframing
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@JamieTanna Been a good #HomebrewWebsiteClub Nottingham - mixed success at our various projects, but nice to see folks (virtually) (https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2020/05/dhrdl/) (twitter.com/_/status/1265713197476126722)
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[tantek] nice!
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+201) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /green_computing (+1115) "incorporate a bunch of See Also links into body of the article, add subsections accordingly, minor formatting/grammer fixes, question the FAQs - where did they come from?" (view diff)
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[tantek] gardening the green computing wiki page feels particularly meta
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ If you've got your own domain name & can export your content, that's 100% #IndieWeb. The rest is gravy. The key is to have a site do what you want it to. Join us for regular meetups/camps/chat if you'd like to work at adding other pieces you find useful. https://boffosocko.com/2020/05/27/55771504/ (twitter.com/_/status/1265790534913626112)