#meta 2020-06-15

2020-06-15 UTC
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@jjdelc
Cool! My blog now sends me daily email reports of #webmention activity! #indieweb #python #code #coderlife https://jj.isgeek.net/2020/06/15-040759/
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@smaffulli
↩️ Forse un occasione per investire tempo su #indieweb? :)
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[jgmac1106]
!tell chrisaldrich I put in a lightning talk on IndieWeb for the Apereo Conference
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106]
and filling out my ti.to tix I realize that is the weekend I am going to see my parents....won't be around at all....
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@jgmac1106
↩️ I realized I am not available for @IndieWebCamp West this year so I will not be facilitating session, happy to do a pop up session on webmentions, badges, and gamification some time. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/6OBnq)
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@jgmac1106
Thinking about some of tools we use in #IndieWeb community like indiewebifyme https://indiewebify.me/ and how stuff like webmentions could be used as tool to drive engagement by also encouraging participants to display buttons (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/181K4H)
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GWG
[jgmac1106]: Bring them along....anomalily's parents showed up last year and I enjoyed meeting them
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GWG
Hmmm...Take your Parents to Indiewebcamp Day?
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[KevinMarks]
I took my son to indiewebcanp Brighton
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[jgmac1106]
wacth my paents video chat and you will rethink the request
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GWG
[jgmac1106]: Okay. Just a thought..not entirely serious
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@jgmac1106
↩️ If you want turnkey just work, touch no code service check out @microdotblog Has the best #IndieWeb building blocks built in Pine at http://pine.blog is also a great tool. I love @withknown takes some set up though (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/ivn0I)
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@jgmac1106
↩️ Bunch of #IndieWeb meet ups Wednesday in time zones all over the world: be a good place as any to talk to people building for blogging and not branding: https://events.indieweb.org/ (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/LGuEd)
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[KevinMarks]
(that's me remote attending by laptop)
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[tw2113]
so that’s what the back of your digital head looks like 😛
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[tantek]
what is the corporate web?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "corporate web" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "corporate web is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jacky
is tempted to say "the corporate web is the anti web" lol
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[tantek]
wait for it
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[tantek]
corporate web is perhaps more critically explained as the capitalist web, where people are the product, and their time, attention, and clicks are seen as a natural resource to be extracted and sold to the highest bidder. The most prominent part of the corporate web are [[social media]] [[silos]], driven by the web advertising business model, with algorithms that amplify divisive posts, designed to maximize ad views while driving apart
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[tantek]
families, friends, and polarizing entire countries.
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loqi.me
created /corporate_web (+466) "prompted by [tantek] and dfn added by [tantek]"
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jacky
that's going to get some hate from those who see it lol
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[tantek]
hah. pretty sure we have citations for all that amongst the social media, /Facebook#Criticism etc. pages
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jacky
lol might as well make a meta category for criticism :)
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[tantek]
figured it was about time we defined that term in our summary home page description 🙂
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[tantek]
corporate web << Criticism: The corporate web is a brain drain on society to slosh money around to distract people and show them things they don’t need: <blockquote>some of the best and brightest minds of our generation are working on how to get more people to click on ads</blockquote> from Max Bock’s [https://mxb.dev/blog/human-code/ Human Code], 2020-06-05.
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Loqi
ok, I added "Criticism: The corporate web is a brain drain on society to slosh money around to distract people and show them things they don’t need: <blockquote>some of the best and brightest minds of our generation are working on how to get more people to click on ads</blockquote> from Max Bock’s [https://mxb.dev/blog/human-code/ Human Code], 2020-06-05." to a brand new "See Also" section of /corporate_web https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=70365&oldid=70364
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loqi.me
edited /corporate_web (+368) "[tantek] added "Criticism: The corporate web is a brain drain on society to slosh money around to distract people and show them things they don’t need: <blockquote>some of the best and brightest minds of our generation are working on how to get more..."
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tantek.com
edited /corporate_web (+80) "start criticism section, add to see also"
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@jjdelc
↩️ I'm piggy backing on https://brid.gy/ which does all the heavy lifting. I implement a #webmention endpoint on my blog engine and the rest is just storing them in SQlite and sending an email with a cronjob #indieweb https://jj.isgeek.net/2020/06/15-220838/
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tantek.com
edited /corporate_web (+52) "add end of dfn second sentence that was dropped in initial creation"
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[tantek]
silos << corporate web
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[tantek]
social media << corporate web
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@geonz
Re-learning FileZilla. #indieweb progress. https://www.resourceroom.net/20OER/TimesTablesMovies/Zeroes20/Zeroes20.html with captions. (Hate the first videos 'cause ... I've learned how to get better audio since then...)
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[tantek]
[KevinMarks] I may need to provide a Venn diagram for corporate, social media, and silos
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[tantek]
they're not all the same and we should keep the criticisms localized
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[tantek]
corp web is the capitalist ad-supported web
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[tantek]
social media usually refers to big SocMed however could also include say, Mastodon, which though free / has no ads, still has shown some negative aspects of the big SocMed it has copied, such as inciting reactions rather than thoughtfulness
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[tantek]
big SocMed are also silos, though there are silos that gather your data that aren't really focused on 'social', such as silos for specific devices, like MovesCount for Suunto watches