#meta 2020-06-20

2020-06-20 UTC
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I'm going to email the attendees tonight
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[chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] I think we'd talked about it before, but don't think anyone had claimed a spot on the wiki for it... maybe you put something on /Education?
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[chrisaldrich] ↩️ [tw2113] That's me in the peach shirt. 🙂
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[chrisaldrich] Thanks GWG!
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@kixiQu why is the #indieweb so hard the activitypub world seems so simple relatively (twitter.com/_/status/1274144381067423749)
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@jackyalcine IndieWeb: HTML (literally that's it; sprinkle some HTTP); ActivityPub: JSON, a smidge of crypto, required content-negotation, multiple storage formats (it's like OpenGraph/Twitter Cards but too much) https://twitter.com/kixiQu/status/1274144381067423749 (twitter.com/_/status/1274145965826387968)
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tantek.com edited /site-deaths (+307) "/* Heroes Wiki */ found a mirror setup via an XML dump of the articles" (view diff)
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jacky wants the smoke
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jacky agh that kinda got me a bit mad
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jacky and I wonder if it's another documentation fail
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jacky but I also know that no amount of documentation tweaking will stop people from just being not about it
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ The wiki page you mentioned is the primary one for #IndieWebCamp. It & some of the subsidiary pages for camp will change as the days unfold. The schedule page is now up with the times for the two days. Since it's a BarCamp-style format, sessionsn[more...] https://boffosocko.com/2020/06/19/55772488/ (twitter.com/_/status/1274147601865039872)
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[schmarty] the idea of activitypub being easier is funny and terrifying
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[tantek] easier to "sign-up" and start posting & commenting ... among only other ActivityPub "sites"
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[tantek] that's my "guess". not implementation
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[tantek] Ok I signed up on https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/iwc-west-2020 which asks me if it's ok to show me in the list of registrants. I said yes but nowhere is there a visible list of registrants. Confused. cc: GWG [chrisaldrich]
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[tantek] do you need help with a 2020.indieweb page?
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tantek.com edited /IndieWebCamp_Organizing (+136) "/* Before */ see instructions for Creating a new Event Page" (view diff)
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/42
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/43
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/44
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/44
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[tantek] learns how to use GitHub UI with branches 😂
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@squidlord ↩️ Get outside the bubble (he says, going all Elite:Dangerous). You mean EVERY ONE YOU GO TO. Go hit up Gab (though there are issues). Scuttlebutt (issues in the opposite direction). MeWe (not many issues at all). The #IndieWeb in general. Get outside your neighborhood. (twitter.com/_/status/1274170364319449088)
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[tantek] wat. oh dear
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[tantek] what is MeWe?
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Loqi MeWe is a silo social networking site that places a premium on privacy https://indieweb.org/MeWe
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[tantek] Hmm I don't understand timee.io links
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[tantek] they seem to duplicate information unnecessarily
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[tantek] ok https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/43 should be good to go to add IWC West to the 2020.indieweb site! Including Tito embed (I hope)
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Loqi [tantek] #43 create from london.php
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[tantek] if anyone is around to review 🙂
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@rrrrrrrix ↩️ I think, FWIW you might be able to forge webmentions, it's "just" an html POST with a source and destination attribute. this is what i do on my website, its an elisp. @jackyalcine has been talking about building more composable indieweb services, i think? (twitter.com/_/status/1274199414148493312)
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[tantek] GWG, happy to make any changes you request
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GWG [tantek]: I would just remove the travel assistance information entirely.
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GWG If we have standing Indieweb sponsors, I'll defer on that.
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[tantek] no problem
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[tantek] done
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tantek.com created /crumb (+20) "r, prompted by aaronpk" (view diff)
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[tantek] here goes nothing
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/43
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/2020.indieweb.org to https://2020.indieweb.org
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GWG [tantek]: I may have missed something, but it says Registrations now closed for this event.
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[tantek] hmm I see that too
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[tantek] ah it's in https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/blob/master/public/west.php
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/45
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[tantek] GWG ^^ try that
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[tantek] GWG, also this doc update while you're there https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/42
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Loqi [tantek] #42 link to IndieWebCamp_Organizing#Before
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loqi.me created /breadcrumbs (+19) "prompted by vilhalmer and redirect added by jacky" (view diff)
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/42
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/2020.indieweb.org to https://2020.indieweb.org
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/45
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/2020.indieweb.org to https://2020.indieweb.org
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[tantek] well registration seems to work https://2020.indieweb.org/west
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Loqi IndieWebCamp West
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GWG How do we get the registered?
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[tantek] IDK, have to ask aaronpk. I feel like the "Registrations / None yet! / Remote Participants / None yet!" problem happens regularly with new setups
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GWG I have to work on prepping my table for the dinner
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[tantek] let's ask aaronpk about displaying the registrations tomorrow
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[jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] think we made a page...means I may have to scroll through wiki contributions to find it, if not may make a different page /story too Instagram specific
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi good morning
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aaronpk takes a look at 2020.indieweb.org
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jacky oh that's _next_ week
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jacky let's see if I can get syndications working by then lol
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aaronpk ahh GWG the ticket name in tito is wrong
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aaronpk but since this is a 100% remote event i'm going to make a new template for this otherwise it assumes there are two types of tickets
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[jgmac1106] ....but are people doing the "Support IndieWeb" tix? should we leave it?
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[jgmac1106] haven't looked so don't know if it is offered
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GWG aaronpk: There's no point in remote participation tickets if that is everything... sorry, didn't know it would affect
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GWG [jgmac1106]: Some are, I think
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GWG I will look...I was just barbering
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aaronpk right but you changed "Regular" to "Participant"
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aaronpk it's fine i'm fixing it
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jacky so I got some feedback from a friend re: indieweb
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[jgmac1106] jacky++
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Loqi jacky has 19 karma in this channel over the last year (98 in all channels)
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jacky https://wandering.shop/@zee/104376835115644825 + https://wandering.shop/@zee/104376847578863232 + https://wandering.shop/@zee/104376854619043655 + https://wandering.shop/@zee/104376869058735527
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Loqi [Zee Spencer (He/Him)] @jalcine Sorry, fell asleep. The _first_ thing that feels off is I can't go to cutesy-domain.here, sign up; and start publishing words / pictures publicly. Mastodon kind-of solves this for ActivityPub; but ActivityPub feels really TwitterIsh; and I ....
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jacky all of which I think are valid
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aaronpk yeah it's just one of the many assumptions people come in with
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[jgmac1106] part of the reason why I am using subdomains for tech-4-teens.club ...I can do that for free and one push in Cpanel for community members.....and then many more pushes to get IndieWeb up and going on WP
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[jgmac1106] though name.com sponsored the program so maybe I can get them to add Known or a WP install to default options...except they use Softalicous for all third party installs
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GWG aaronpk: First time I did this much with the ti.to and such configurations. I wanted to be different, I suppose
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aaronpk well now you can!
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by aaronpk: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/46
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aaronpk if you merge that the tito tickets should appear
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by dshanske: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/46
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/2020.indieweb.org to https://2020.indieweb.org
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aaronpk boom
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GWG aaronpk: Now people just have to know about it...
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GWG aaronpk: Any chance in future, the ti.to code might end up in Meetable? To reduce duplication of effort?
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aaronpk it's more than just that
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aaronpk one of the reasons for the 2020.indieweb.org site is to have a nicer full landing page for the event
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aaronpk so meetable would have to also provide enough features to make the meetable pages look more like a full event page
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aaronpk i'm also not super thrilled about integrating tito with it directly, but I could imagine some sort of JS embed thing so that the tito code could be hosted externally
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GWG For now, I just always try to think of how to lower the number of steps in future.
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aaronpk the other way to go is to move the tito features we need into meetable, namely an actual registration system
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GWG aaronpk: Also a lot of overhead on your part
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GWG I wonder if there is a middle ground
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GWG Can you have capacity at an event counted by RSVP webmention?
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aaronpk we've been through this a number of times
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aaronpk there are several reasons for using a registration system, not just counting capacity
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aaronparecki.com edited /Organizers/event_pages (+64) "/* Tickets and Registration */" (view diff)
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/Organizers/event_pages#Tickets_and_Registration
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[jgmac1106] Almost wish I was available for IWC as I would almost be a meta announcer on how to do remote conferences right....so many trainings on "how to teach online" at conferences are done with such bad teaching
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[jgmac1106] Maybe I will MST 3000 it after the event.....Be easier to control for jargon and focus on the topic of "Not making your online conference awful"
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[jgmac1106] They are all so bad.....OER20 wasn't too bad....they had karaoke, and the sessions more interactive...Probably a lot of overlap in ethos an experience there
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GWG [jgmac1106]: You are going to MST3K Chris and I?
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[jgmac1106] https://jgregorymcverry.com/notes/2020-06-20-1
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Loqi [Greg McVerry] I don't know Dave do you speak Molybdenum? [video]
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[jgmac1106] I can say the word correctly a 100 times until I recorded....then I fail every time...I like vowles
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@maique Back inside, watching an IndieWebCamp Personal Website Introductions video on YouTube. Afraid I’ll get too many ide… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1274376084340039680 (twitter.com/_/status/1274376084340039680)
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aaronpk what are analytics?
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Loqi analytics is the collection, analysis and reporting of a websites traffic https://indieweb.org/analytics
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aaronparecki.com edited /website-analytics (+337) (view diff)
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aaronpk i like that Fathom provides a public link to a website's analytics
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aaronpk now you can view the stats for indieweb.org! https://app.usefathom.com/share/zphfryaa/indieweb.org
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by aaronpk: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/47
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by dshanske: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/47
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/2020.indieweb.org to https://2020.indieweb.org
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/2020.indieweb.org to https://2020.indieweb.org
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aaronpk renamed the default branch on 2020.indieweb.org to "main"
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aaronpk i'm trying to rename these at least if I touch the repo
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GWG aaronpk: I decided I'm going to do that as I work on projects.
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GWG Not sure of main though, but I have no attachment to the former default
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aaronpk yeah, it's a lot of work to do them all at once. I'll probably do another batch at some point, but for now I'm renaming them if I push any code
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GWG I thought of going with stable.
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aaronpk "stable" definitely depends on the workflow for the repo :)
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aaronpk sometimes the default branch is used as the unstable working code
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GWG In one repo, I have a develop branch
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aaronpk in general more descriptive branch names is better
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jacky aaronpk: that's been my rename flow
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