#meta 2020-06-27

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@w3bk3rn3l Trying to figure out how to implement webactions on my website. I think I’m gonna blow my fuses! #webactions #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1276665807028793347)
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boffosocko.com edited /2020/West (+114) "links for Lightning Intros and Site Demos" (view diff)
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@ChrisAldrich I’ve just put a bunch of food on the grill for tonight’s #IndieWebCamp West – Eat Your Own Cooking Pre Party. It’s not too late to join us tonight or RSVP to Camp this weekend. https://2020.indieweb.org/west https://boffosocko.com/2020/06/26/55772722/ (twitter.com/_/status/1276674482984284160)
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@kev_mcg ↩️ Hopefully more solarpunk than cyberpunk (neither indieweb homesteading or cozyweb retreat—thriving patterns for communities at all scales, home, neighborhood, city) https://twitter.com/kev_mcg/status/1262784361822334979?s=20 (twitter.com/_/status/1276674840125112322)
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@WPArchives_ iA Writer Adds Expanded Support for IndieWeb Tools and WordPress Publishing #WordPress #Blogging https://buff.ly/2A6aI43 (twitter.com/_/status/1276686186325647360)
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[chrisaldrich] posting graph << http://plasticbag.org/archives/2004/11/visualisations_lead_to_selfknowledge/
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Loqi ok, I added "http://plasticbag.org/archives/2004/11/visualisations_lead_to_selfknowledge/" to the "See Also" section of /posting_graph https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=70599&oldid=63551
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[chrisaldrich] What is eat your own cooking?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "eat your own cooking" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "eat your own cooking is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] Ben and Dan are in if you and your daughter want to propose a kids/family domain session. Perhaps Kevin Marx can invite his son as another parent/child duo
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aaronpk so mixer is shutting down, which is kind of like a site death
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aaronpk except it's more about the loss of a community than loss of data
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[jgmac1106] yeah I couldn't figure if I should add it...defaulted to well I am not in community let others decide
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[jgmac1106] but loss of community matters a ton...was talking about that with wikispaces...even if I archived all those pages...you can't just snap and rebuild a community that took years to assemble
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[chrisaldrich] I think Kevin Marks' (you didn't mean the singer, right?) son is significantly older... I've started softening the ground for Evie. We'll see what she says in the morning.
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GWG The Zoom is live
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[jgmac1106] ooops I try not @ mention people in sleep mode and then I should be in sleep mode
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[jgmac1106] my oldest is a firm no
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@JmacDotOrg Here’s me talking for five minutes about Webmention and IndieWeb at this year’s Perl Conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2VLrZ9nh2E (twitter.com/_/status/1276719265471741958)
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jacky how opposed are we to having the keynotes being pre-recorded?
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jacky I was legit working on something similar to what ^ did there
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@jgmac1106 Pantheons of potential pulling on pieces of past polling in requests of posts passing through invisible tags #indieweb #smallpoems (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/166J9M) (twitter.com/_/status/1276720785537859584)
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gRegorLove https://note.ly/ + screenshare for session scheduling?
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jacky ^ this looks cool!
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gRegorLove need indiewebcamp masks instead of tshirts this year
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gRegorLove https://indieweb.org/poll and https://indieweb.org/vote_links
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aaronpk Oh no custom face masks lol
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@testbugtest1 I’ve tried to follow the directions but can’t figure out how to get canonical urls automatically added to tweets that have been cross-posted from http://micro.blog. Any suggestions? https://indieweb.org/rel-canonical (twitter.com/_/status/1276741762015510529)
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GWG [tantek]: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/IWC2020-West-Emails
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aaronpk Make sure you link to some place that makes it clear where people should go to join in the morning
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GWG The meeting link will be in the email.
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aaronpk we might want to even update the 2020.indieweb.org page and the main wiki page with a big call to action
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/2020/West/Schedule
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aaronpk I made a zoom link specifically for the intro session on the main IndieWeb account
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GWG That was you?
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GWG I went in to do that and saw it
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aaronpk yes towards the end of the organizers meeting
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[tantek] !tell [schmarty] since you're asleep, and more likely to be alert tomorrow at noon your time (9am PDT), care to play some tunes for us when we we open the Zoom doors, until [chrisaldrich] welcomes us at 9:45am PDT?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@ChrisAldrich I had a great time tonight with an awesome crowd of creatives at the online Zoom pre-party for IndieWebCamp West. If tonight's turn out is any indicator, we're going to have a lot of fun and learn a lot this weekend. #IndieWeb https://boffosocko.com/2020/06/26/55772733/ (twitter.com/_/status/1276760708730908672)
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boffosocko.com uploaded /File:Pre-party.PNG "4x4 Zoom grid of pre-party participants (left to right, top to bottom) David Shanske, Chris Aldrich, Scott Gruber, Beto, Kim, Ana Ulin, Joseph Dickson, Sarah Hibner, Aaron Parecki, Lillian Karabaic, Jason McIntosh, Ki, Jacky Alciné, Steve Williams, G... https://indieweb.org/File:Pre-party.PNG"
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boffosocko.com edited /2020/West (+401) "/* Photos */ pre-party photo" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com uploaded /File:Organizers_Meetup_Photo_IWC_West.PNG "Attendees of the Organizers Meeting before IndieWebCamp West https://indieweb.org/File:Organizers_Meetup_Photo_IWC_West.PNG"
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[chrisaldrich] annotation << https://twitter.com/chrisbiscardi/status/1276405154778984449 Interesting UI example that could be done for annotating pages
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@chrisbiscardi I added "tweetable selections" to http://christopherbiscardi.com today. You can select some text to see an affordance that will send you to Twitter with the URL of the page you're on. https://twitter.com/chrisbiscardi/status/1276405154778984449/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/1276405154778984449)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/chrisbiscardi/status/1276405154778984449 Interesting UI example that could be done for annotating pages" to the "See Also" section of /annotation https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=70607&oldid=68826
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ If you're at IndieWebCamp West this weekend, let's talk about it and see if we can help you get it working for yourself! https://boffosocko.com/2017/12/24/adding-simple-twitter-response-buttons-to-wordpress-posts/?replytocom=295687#respond (twitter.com/_/status/1276774127219531776)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ We're hosting a free online IndieWebCamp this weekend if you'd like to join us and see what is going on in the space. @KatMurti, you've already got your own domain name and WordPress site, so you're most of the way there already. https://indieweb.org/2020/West https://boffosocko.com/2020/06/27/55772740/ (twitter.com/_/status/1276777542951645185)
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@BrowserPerson #indiewebcamp Jun 27 – 28 | Online FREE TICKETS: The 10th annual gathering for graphic artists, designers, UX engineers, coders, hackers, to share ideas, create and improve their personal websites, and build upon each others creations. https://developer.mozilla.com/events/indie-web-summit/ #webdev #frontend (twitter.com/_/status/1276824087151738881)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ If any #writingcommunity members would like to get started building an amazing website like @thedomcherie we are holding a free two day @indiewebcamp learn more https://events.indieweb.org/2020/06/indiewebcamp-west-2020-ZB8zoAAu6sdN two days of building and writing (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1TPdXh) (twitter.com/_/status/1276832503626706944)
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@jgmac1106 Morning #femedtech if anyone is around this weekend we are facilitating a remote @indiewebcamp on PDT time. https://events.indieweb.org/2020/06/indiewebcamp-west-2020-ZB8zoAAu6sdN join us to learn how we can build communities and learning from #DoOO (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/V4kox) (twitter.com/_/status/1276837953030029313)
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@TheWarmFzzy ↩️ I'm drinking coffee and watching morning cartoons. #timferrissritual4winners As I'm posting @indiewebcamp on the ethics of the new internet, Teen Titans is talking about successful alien business ethics. Been waiting 30 years for "Ethical Everything" to hit mainstream. (twitter.com/_/status/1276853663475142659)
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@jgmac1106 Hey @donohjea thx for follow!! see you hang with other riff-raff like @MiaZamoraPhD if you or friends around today and tomorrow, organizing a free @indiewebcamp what is the web but experimental theater? https://events.indieweb.org/2020/06/indiewebcamp-west-2020-ZB8zoAAu6sdN (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/C6Bpt) (twitter.com/_/status/1276859751176056833)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ do @Indiewebcamp NYC in October every year but gonna go remote out of extreme caution of care. Hit this art show last year: https://jgregorymcverry.com/mixedmediaartsshow while there. Was talking to producers of maybe doing a personal website exhibit (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/lKTVa) (twitter.com/_/status/1276860565336530946)
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aaronpk good morning!
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Loqi good morning
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sknebel morning
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petermolnar afternoon :P
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aaronpk evening
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sknebel good too-warm-time-of-day :P
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@jackyalcine I'm up early for the @indiewebcamp summit happening today. Def pull up (starts in like 2 hours! It's free ofc) https://2020.indieweb.org/west (twitter.com/_/status/1276876076552089602)
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@jgmac1106 Stayed up late to catch up on the @IndieWebCamp pre-party...Had a blast. Laughed so hard. most people I have hung with since March teenthish. Come hand with us and celebreate Weird Wild Web (twitter.com/_/status/1276880935959646213)
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[jgmac1106] ugg i can't spell today...
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Pop into @Indiewebcamp if you are around at all this weekend. https://events.indieweb.org/2020/06/indiewebcamp-west-2020-ZB8zoAAu6sdN (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1ws9RA) (twitter.com/_/status/1276885049871400961)
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@matthillco I've been researching what tools to use to restart blogging. I don't have the time or inclination to keep building/hosting my own. I'd like an #indieweb solution on principle, but in practice I just don't have the time/patience anymore. 1/x (twitter.com/_/status/1276884427457597440)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Did you check out @microdotblog best turnkey #IndieWeb , touch no code but the open protocols give you the Othello effect, you can dive in deep if you want. Plus you get an intentionally hospitable curate community (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/JRVJm) (twitter.com/_/status/1276886057305485313)
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jmac.org created /Whim (+726) "Created page with "<img src="https://fogknife.com/images/posts/whim.jpg" style="float: right; max-width: 50%; margin-left: 10px;" /> '''Whim''' is a command-line program and Unix daemon for sen..."" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 Story of how our #IndieWeb group the Elm City Webmakers got involved in helping to organize #tech4teensclub a free remote technology camp for teens: https://jgregorymcverry.com/launchingtech4teens running this summer. So excited for launch (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1GAav5) (twitter.com/_/status/1276886924716802049)
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[schmarty] good morning
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[schmarty] (i sleep late on weekends!)
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[jgmac1106] you can tell the difference still?
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[schmarty] i choose to tell the difference!
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[jgmac1106] well happy Sunday
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[schmarty] lol
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[schmarty] i give up on trying to find the channel where tantek asked me to find some music! i hope i didn't dream it.
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[schmarty] i grabbed about 45:30 of ambient electronic music that should be suitable to play low over zoom while people filter in
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aaronpk oh nice
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[schmarty] Raising Frequency by Ketsa on the Free Music Archive. licensed CC-BY-NC-ND 4.0, so we should snip it out of any uploaded recording.
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[schmarty] https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Ketsa/Raising_Frequecy
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[schmarty] i am happy to try and play it into the zoom room or i can put it up as an m3u for whomever is running hosting/tech duties this morning
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aaronpk make sure to check "use original audio" in zoom
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jacky I have a monstercat account if we needed some royalty free music
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aaronpk actually i can play the music from here, i have a computer set up to be a countdown clock for the intros so i can use that one
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jacky I might also be misunderstanding the licensing situation
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[schmarty] hesitates to ask loqi about mostercat 😂
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[schmarty] *monstercat, ugh, lol
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jacky https://www.monstercat.com/release/MCLP003
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jacky (for example)
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jacky ah tbh it's more handy if you don't want to be hit with DCMA notices for stuff
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aaronpk we're gonna be streaming on zoom and indieweb.live so no automated DMCA notices there
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jacky :)
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[schmarty] oh interesting, so you're doing the twitch/youtube/etc streaming license for $5/mo https://www.monstercat.com/licensing/content-creators
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[schmarty] and they for that money they have devised a system that plugs into youtube, twitch, and mixer's DMCA reporting systems 😂
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jacky yup lol
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[schmarty] that How it Works section is something else lol
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jacky https://www.monstercat.com/gold this page?
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aaronpk heh no concept of streaming to your own self-hosted stream https://www.monstercat.com/licensing/other-platforms
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jacky yeahh :(
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[schmarty] jacky: i was looking at https://www.monstercat.com/licensing/content-creators
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jacky ah okay
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[schmarty] the bit that made me 😂 was: "If you use our music without subscribing to Gold, you'll receive a claim. These are not copyright strikes and aren't bad for your channel. Advertising revenue from the video will go to us and the artists involved with the song."
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[schmarty] followed by: "If you do not have a Gold subscription, then we ask that you do not appeal our claims."
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aaronpk i mean it makes sense
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aaronpk it's pretty clever actually, because it means you *can* use their music without paying, because of youtube's mechanism of redirecting ad revenue
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[schmarty] it does! but it feels like a fragile automated business model.
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aaronpk eh, content ID and music licensing stuff is pretty well baked in to youtube at this point
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[schmarty] anyway i am gonna breakfast and shower etc. thanks for taking care of playing the music aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 65 karma in this channel over the last year (229 in all channels)
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aaronpk anyway, i have this freemusicarchive link up right now
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aaronpk test zoom https://us02web.zoom.us/j/6116632922?pwd=MnNsTmdsTTJCM0dZbGJTSjZlUDFmZz09
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[schmarty] re: content ID etc - that is true! and the way YT favors DMCA claimants over creators means this kind of licensing model is pretty easy to defend (no actual lawyers to pay or suits to file. APIs for everything from taking money to shutting down the channels of people who violate your agreement)
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[schmarty] i hear the musics
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[schmarty] it's a little glitchy tbh
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[schmarty] ah, it smoothed out
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aaronpk hmm i've got auto-adjust volume turned off, and original sound turned on, so i should be sending out a clean signal
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@mantonsblog With WWDC mostly wrapped up, it’s time to look to IndieWebCamp West this weekend. Virtual doors open via Zoom at 9am Pacific, then keynotes, demos, and afternoon sessions. https://indieweb.org/2020/West (twitter.com/_/status/1276892162878328835)
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[schmarty] i am just hearing very occasional dropouts
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aaronpk streaming to https://indieweb.live/ now too
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[schmarty] it's like 98% fine 😄
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[schmarty] (probably issues on my end)
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aaronpk pulled up the stream on another computer and it sounds great
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aaronpk tho it's very distracting hearing both the original and the delayed stream version :)
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jacky heard your voice
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aaronpk :)
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aaronpk i'm testing switching cameras vs grid view
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GWG Fun.
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aaronpk argh why does my computer hate me
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@w3bk3rn3l Follow me and help making a more friendly and independent internet! https://opencollective.com/indieweb/donate (twitter.com/_/status/1276897216280616960)
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GWG aaronpk: Are you running the stream today due your superior technical expertise?
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aaronpk GWG: i was just going to put this welcome message and countdown and music in the zoom
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GWG aaronpk: That is pretty much running the stream
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[jgmac1106] if you want to support music buy music from artists
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[tantek] What is the sponsorship prospectus
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "sponsorship prospectus" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "sponsorship prospectus is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[jgmac1106] if you want to stream for free use YouTube...I do a combination of both
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[tantek] Huh
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aaronpk what no don't stream stuff from youtube
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[jgmac1106] I mean more for discovery...like I have and paid for most albums on on my Listen posts: but I am not sharing out streams to my music servers: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/content/listen/
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[jgmac1106] but the best way to ensure artists, which usually are from marginalized communities, get paid living wages is to own and pay for music
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[snarfed] GWG [chrisaldrich] just checking, is the IWC zoom hosted by a paid account? so it won't cut off every 40m?
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aaronpk correct
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[chrisaldrich] I can already tell it's going to be difficult to stay on top of chat today....
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[chrisaldrich] [snarfed] we've got 4 paid accounts via IndieWeb, so I think we're good. 🙂
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aaronpk ok i'm gonna hop on the main zoom link since it's almost doors open time
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GWG 4? I thought 3?
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aaronpk we have the three color rooms and the main "indiewebcamp" account
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[chrisaldrich] there's IndieWeb Camp, Red, Orange, and Yellow (as of yesterday)
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GWG Oh, we brought back Yellow...never mind then
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[tantek] It’s a decent song, ok to bring it back, might want to check on the licensing tho
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aaronpk GWG: [chrisaldrich]: lemme know if you want to say anything to welcome people who are joining and i can turn off the music for a minute
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GWG aaronpk: the schedule says this is coffee chat time.
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GWG aaronpk: What streaming service are we on?
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aaronpk indieweb.live
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GWG Is there a way to say that?
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aaronpk unfortunately not
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GWG We should write them a letter.
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Loqi it is probable
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[jgmac1106] Can someone post Zoom link here
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jacky it's password protected (pasting it in a logged channel would be counter-intuitive)
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aaronpk link is here https://indieweb.org/2020/West/Schedule
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[chrisaldrich] Here's the alternate (non Zoom) live link: https://indieweb.live (maybe for the bandwidth limited)
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aaronpk GWG: are you adding indieweb.live to the schedule grid?
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GWG Yes. Next to the Zoom Link
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aaronpk great
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@magicroundabout ↩️ You can blog with http://Micro.blog! Which is IndieWeb, but not (AFAIK) open source, or free. @Statamic 3 will be free for this kind of thing. It’s in beta, and you’ll probably want a starter kit like: https://github.com/statamic/starter-kit-cool-writings Not sure what you mean by IndieWeb though. (twitter.com/_/status/1276909689394077698)
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[jgmac1106] Watching live stream
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@as_douno IndieWebCamp West 2020 is about to start. Join the movement now to control your data online. (https://douno.net/2020/06/27/5384/) (twitter.com/_/status/1276911119190364166)
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petermolnar how is the voting for sessions going to work?
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jacky it's barcamp style!
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jacky I think there's info on the wiki lemme check
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jacky what is barcamp
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Loqi BarCamp is an open structure for creating and organizing user-generated conferences focused on whatever subject(s) the organizers and attendees decide https://indieweb.org/barcamp
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jacky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp?oldformat=true
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[schmarty] but, like, how will we vote when so many are remote?
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jacky that's a good question
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jacky I don't know who's determined that
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aaronpk i hope one of the organizers thought that through ;-)
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GWG We've done it before. +1 in the etherpad
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[calumryan] For IWC London we added the sessions on an etherpad and everyone voted there
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petermolnar I'm asking, because I'm curious, not because I don't trust the organisers readiness
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[chrisaldrich] In the past people have generally put their names on/underneath the sessions on the etherpad....
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petermolnar ack; that works
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[chrisaldrich] but it's also not like we need hard headcounts to match people to room size; and we've generally never voted a session away
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[tantek] The red room can get kinda warm
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[schmarty] tantek: moor der eht ni tahc ot drawkwa eb nac ti
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[schmarty] aaronpk++ for managing the zoom focus. hooray production!
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Kongaloosh_ Ahoy!
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Loqi Kongaloosh_: [tantek] left you a message on 2020-02-20 at 7:23pm UTC: great seeing you at HWC SF last night! I've posted the next event for March 4th: https://events.indieweb.org/2020/03/homebrew-website-club-san-francisco-KTBJlSw7JJKm see if you can sign into indieweb.org with your domain name and then RSVP to the event (there's an RSVP button at the bottom of the page when you're signed up 🙂 )
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petermolnar [schmarty]: that looks/sounds like Klingon
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[schmarty] petermolnar: just reversed text. thought tantek was referencing Twin Peaks.
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[schmarty] more for -chat than for here 😂
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petermolnar geez, I don't get any references today :(
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petermolnar though that kinda makes me think how Klingon was invented...
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[tantek] [schmarty]++
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[tantek] Welcome back Kongaloosh++
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[schmarty] re: what cassie just said about it being weird talking to yourself: it might help to suggest speakers pull up the chat channels for feedback (probably not to look at DURING their talk, but...)
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[schmarty] i'm used to zoom chat being used for clap emojis etc 👏
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@magicroundabout ↩️ Ghost is also IndieWeb but not free. There’s a ton of SSGs and headless and platforms. Hard to know what you might want. (twitter.com/_/status/1276925397104549890)
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aaronpk oh i think zoom reactions still work
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aaronpk yea! you can clap in zoom
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[schmarty] oh! i don't know where to do that without the chat button 😂
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aaronpk "reactions"
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[schmarty] ... i wonder if this is just not in the linux client ...
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aaronpk oh
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aaronpk seems likely
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@cassiecodes ↩️ Excited to see what you make! (twitter.com/_/status/1276927873895587842)
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@cathieleblanc Just heard @cassiecodes talk about designing her web site: https://www.cassie.codes/ Really awesome! Thanks Cassie! #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1276927745214369794)
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gRegorLove Is the official name "IndieWebCamp West" or "IndieWebCamp West Coast"?
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gRegorLove GWG^
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GWG Just West
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[jgmac1106] yes
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[jgmac1106] or 42. either answer is fine
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gRegorLove ok, updating category name before lots of session pages get set up :)
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gRegorLove "IndieWebCamp Just West"
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gRegorLove jk
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[jgmac1106] home now all...sad to miss intros and keynotes
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GWG [jgmac1106]: We're recording
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[jgmac1106] IndieWebCamp just plain yogurt
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gRegorLove [jgmac1106], snarfed is giving his now. Cassie's was great and was recorded.
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[jgmac1106] yeah I will catch up
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gRegorLove IndieWebCamp fruit on the bottom
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jacky oh that's the wrong lighthouse lol
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jacky ah you got it
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@practicing_dsgn @cassiecodes I really enjoyed watching your keynote for @indiewebcamp just now! You've inspired me to finally start… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1276927705435389952 (twitter.com/_/status/1276927705435389952)
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[jgmac1106] bridgy and bridgy fed...naming things is hard
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[jgmac1106] the engineeer thing [snarfed] is to keep doing it the worng way until you find the roght way, then you do the right way till the right way is better
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[jgmac1106] chrisaldrich++ for being a great MC
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aaronpk [chrisaldrich]: 2 minutes each for intros?
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@jgmac1106 @jackyalcine starting keynote on "Opening a Kitchen"play on #IndieWeb metaphor to replace self-dogfooding which @baha_mali pointed out at NYC keynote has so much implicit bias built in. (B word and females and Muslims and dogs) (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/194bvC) (twitter.com/_/status/1276935617012736000)
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@cathieleblanc The amount of work that @schnarfed has put into Bridgy is amazing. Thank you, Ryan! #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1276935186278686721)
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@jgmac1106 I thought about doing a "Choose Your Own Adventure UX" mocked up in a gslide show...we could do it in hypercard as well: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1vUCtNPAr6yMvPXdquRnOC7okHJWf7pOb54PUXdssBQI/edit?usp=sharing #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/Ad1v3) (twitter.com/_/status/1276936756957523969)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ "By design we reach out to people" @JackyAlcine #quote #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/14jZFq) (twitter.com/_/status/1276936303356129281)
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sknebel jacky++
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@cathieleblanc Thanks for your thoughtful questions and ideas about the future of the #IndieWeb project https://jacky.wtf/ (twitter.com/_/status/1276938179455717377)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I do worry if we should teach children to flip a switch or build a switch. #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1sWG8b) (twitter.com/_/status/1276937945291857921)
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@jgmac1106 I think really what @jackyalcine is asking is do we need to rethink the economic models that drive the web... #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/ggo1L) (twitter.com/_/status/1276937635378970632)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I think it is more than "a personal choice" the idea of building for yourself and building for communities fall along gender lines within open source software and communities #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/28v2Of) (twitter.com/_/status/1276937315324235776)
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@cathieleblanc Thanks for your thoughtful questions and ideas about the future of the #IndieWeb project http://jacky.wtf (twitter.com/_/status/1276939112117919746)
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@jgmac1106 Good questions on delineating between knowledge... Some people with deep knowledge may just want stuff to work. Some folks with no knowledge want it all. Personal question. Where between wanting to touch code and content #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1B2HCN) (twitter.com/_/status/1276938476521431047)
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[jgmac1106] veterans can skip
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@jgmac1106 @jackyalcine a twitter thread I had that explored why building the switch is more important than flipping: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2020/06/25/holden-mburtis-12-years-just-a-blip 12 years is meaningless in face of our literate history. #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1thAdq) (twitter.com/_/status/1276939893541830658)
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aaronpk wow 30 people in the etherpad i hope it doesn't break
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jacky lol it's freezing for me
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aaronpk [chrisaldrich]: i'm running the timer, but we're over already
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aaronpk we might need 2 minutes each
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@cathieleblanc @t explained the ways in which #IndieWeb is working to enact anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-homophobic policies that do not perpetuate white supremacy. I really like this community. (twitter.com/_/status/1276941975464423424)
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@jgmac1106 @chrisaldrich demos and @fluffy goes next with publ her "dynamic" static site generator #IndieWeb I love @fluffys work makes displaying webmentions manageable for things I can't do...wonder if publ ready for new users #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/eKECC) (twitter.com/_/status/1276941911262146560)
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@jgmac1106 Then @aaronpk goes and announces his "Facebook quit" by removing all of his content and redirecting people to other places. #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/F8ryx) (twitter.com/_/status/1276943128705073152)
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aaronpk [chrisaldrich]: how many people did you queue up? I can load up the next set
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aaronpk [chrisaldrich]: i've got through ana queued up
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@jgmac1106 Joe Dixon goes next at http://www.linuxbookpro.com/ Connects to Twitter as a way to use his personal website as an archive and a destination away from noise on Twitter. #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/22jnEj) (twitter.com/_/status/1276944511328026624)
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@jgmac1106 Paulo Pinto goes next "When I heard about IndieWeb it would be nice to have a page where I interact with content but can still share my content" Yes to this!! #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/ERKTb) (twitter.com/_/status/1276943950088155140)
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@jgmac1106 Oooh Hibs goes next and is interested in media preservation and delineates between long form and short form temporal writing. I love love the url names. #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/PzFeF) (twitter.com/_/status/1276943630104657920)
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@jgmac1106 Alex @kongaloosh goes next. By forking Bear's repo and going from there. Awesome layout. #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1bNQsB) (twitter.com/_/status/1276945665826926592)
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@jgmac1106 @petermolnar goes next and shares his love for long form writing. #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/iyo9M) (twitter.com/_/status/1276945344077737984)
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@jgmac1106 Marty goes next at: https://martymcgui.re showing how he uses micropub clients to make strange content to put on your site. #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/2kMeXn) (twitter.com/_/status/1276944845525975042)
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[tantek] is going to wait to watch the archived video version of my brief words to see if I can blog what I said in a form that hopefully makes written sense
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jacky ^++
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[tantek] thanks jacky, appreciated
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] I may need to push myself to the end of the line because there's a bunch of construction noise here
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[tantek] perhaps I should say [aaronpk] since he's queuing up the next set
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GWG [tantek]: Again? Are they ever going to finish working there?
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[tantek] GWG, some folks tear down and rebuild their home page, others, their home. It's not a metaphor if it's literal.
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[aaronpk] I’ve got Beto through Scott Gruber [chrisaldrich]
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[tantek] phew that was a good break
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@jgmac1106 Beto goes next with http://blog.taoetc.org/ a Static Site Generator. He just added webmentions and got a Fender. I am not sure which is cooler. #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/xYN7m) (twitter.com/_/status/1276949676353368065)
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@as_douno OwnYourGram A service that allows you to repost to your personal site photos you post on instagram #indieweb https://maps.wikimedia.org/img/osm-intl,13,12.0022265,8.5672837,1024x576@3x.png Giginyu, Nassarawa, Nigeria (https://douno.net/2020/06/27/5394/) (twitter.com/_/status/1276949158067347458)
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@jgmac1106 Justin Miller then goes, after a few, I miss. Does some cool data with a Hugo site. I t looks awesome: http://justinmiller.io/ #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1h2CNc) (twitter.com/_/status/1276948922188079104)
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@jgmac1106 Missing @mblaney this year at #IndieWeb. Hope he is well. Too hard for Aussie friends to time shift/ (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/bbS6V) (twitter.com/_/status/1276950044596473857)
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[tantek] maybe later in the PDT afternoon or evening [jgmac1106] when it is morning in AUS
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[tantek] 90s is good aaronpk, though definitely harder when not running the mouse/keyboard yourself!
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[tantek] really appreciate the smoothness of transitions between sites [chrisaldrich]++
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@jgmac1106 http://chaitanya.page learns about #IndieWeb, learns about @microdotblog which taught him SSG and then transforms his university with a 20 year archive project. Aamazing #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/BNgDU) (twitter.com/_/status/1276951056459665409)
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[tantek] aaronpk, where is the IndieWebCat personal site demo?!?
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[tantek] we need one!
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[tantek] Is Dora around?
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[jgmac1106] we should do the photo now before sessions
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[tantek] yes
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Loqi yea
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[tantek] owner? don't you mean parent aaronpk? 😉
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petermolnar human companion, rather
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aaronpk more like she owns me
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petermolnar or worshipper to the cat god
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[jgmac1106] we need two photos as there are two screens of users
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[tantek] lol
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[tantek] yes
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[jgmac1106] we will lose people after session planning
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[schmarty] i prefer "custodian"
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[schmarty] good idea to do photo because i am about to bounce for lunch and let sessions be a surprise 😄
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] GWG can we do a photo now before session planning deep diving?
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[tantek] before we potentially lose people to lunch / session brainstorming?
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[jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] after your session talk ^^ "while you are thinking we will take photos"
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GWG Not a bad idea...after session intros
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[tantek] hide non-video participants if you're going to take a photo
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[tantek] and set yourself to non-mirrored video in Video Settings
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[jgmac1106] aaronpk will have to teach me how you put everyone on one screen
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[tantek] I have a weird grey vertical line off to the right edge of my Zoom view
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[tantek] so couldn't take a screenshot
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[schmarty] thx for the great morning talks and demos and intros! looking forward to sessions! i need to bounce early for lunch!
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[tantek] snarfed++ thanks for the talk!
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[tantek] jacky++ thanks for your keynote! loved it
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@BillSeitz Who on the #IndieWeb is getting/showing lots of webmentions interaction? (twitter.com/_/status/1276958096309526530)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ @jackyalcine maybe answer is, everyone should be able to flip the switch, decorate the switch cover,but those that want can undue the screws look at the wires and swap parts with their friends because of shared knowledge. #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/EREdm) (twitter.com/_/status/1276959401274937344)
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[tantek] what is flip a switch
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "flip a switch" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "flip a switch is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] or is it
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[tantek] flip the switch
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[tantek] what is flip the switch
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "flip the switch" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "flip the switch is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegorLove Updating schedule grid now
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aaronpk GWG: i needed to close that meeting in order for zoom to process the recordings
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GWG aaronpk: Oh...good point
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gRegorLove oh shoot, timee links
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aaronpk ok no yellow room, and the main one will be online continuously
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aaronpk i'm going to set red and orange to record automatically
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gRegorLove oh no, those are only in the AM. cool
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aaronpk we just need to make sure to start a new zoom meeting for each session
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aaronpk GWG: I can manage the Red room if you want to do the Orange room
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[tantek] should be on the schedule page ^^^
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[tantek] better to keep zoom links in the wiki than in chat IMO, helps reduce gr1ef
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aaronpk yes please do not post zoom links in chat
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petermolnar fair point, but I'm not able to find it
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aaronpk one sec
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GWG Okay, will do? Are there rooms set up for each or do I need to?
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aaronpk GWG: i'm going to make zoom meetings for each session so they all have a unique link, sound good?
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aaronpk then we can drop the links to each meeting in the grid
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aaronpk hallway track zoom is open, i've got it on an ipod here
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aaronpk gRegorLove: what happened to the times?
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aaronpk 1:15-2:30 is longer than an hour
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gRegorLove Grid says they're 1 hour 15 minutes
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gRegorLove Which does seem long
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gRegorLove No gap between sessions either. GWG, [chrisaldrich] thoughts?
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[tantek] (Zoom) breaks between sessions would really help
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aaronpk 60 minute sessions with 15 break?
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GWG We went back and forth on that....I asked about gaps yesterday
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gRegorLove sgtm
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maxwelljoslyn (I'm not an organizer but my preference is for 60 mins + 15 min break)
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jgmac1106 I am all okay with longer breaks, hallway track if you want to hang, but for people who just scribed or facilitated an online session..breaks a must…
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[tantek] is in the hallway (tumbleweed emoji)
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GWG I have a spare laptop to run the orange room if I'm not in it. I wanted to do the last two red sessions
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aaronpk red sessions are scheduled and zoom links are on the wiki
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aaronpk doing orange now
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gRegorLove GWG: ok to switch to 60min + 15 break? seems to be consensus
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GWG Yes
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jgmac1106 This schedule looks great!!!
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aaronpk GWG: want to use your spare laptop to run the orange room?
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aaronpk when you log in you'll see the list of meetings, just need to start each one at the right time
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GWG I was going to be in the first to, so using my main computer, then I'll switch it if I go to another session.
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GWG I just opened up the Micropub queries room.
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aaronpk ok try to open it as late as possible so that the automatic recording starts at a good time
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GWG Hey, [jgmac1106], [schmarty], IWC 2020 East next? Or too soon?
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aaronpk or stop and restart the recording
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GWG I stopped the recording...I'm going to hit start when we do.
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[schmarty] GWG: lol too soon for sure. but yeah! i'd be up to co-organize one.
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GWG [schmarty]: I'm just proposing we try to pick a date soon to keep the momentum going.
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GWG And get it on the calendar
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GWG I was going to propose the European contingent do the same.
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jgmac1106 gwg I was just talking to people about how IWC NYC was going to be online in October
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jgmac1106 …but I never plan one , during one, and you should never talk about the next one until three days after the last one
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jgmac1106 oops first comma so wrong…was thinking….organizers of remote HWCs maybe unused topics could be used as themes. May help establish more balanced conversations. could even let people vote on them….gwg just kinda broke the rule I suggested above…but connected kinda to today
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@ChrisAldrich The session grid is up for afternoon sessions at #IndieWebCamp West Online. We’ll be starting them up in just a minute: https://indieweb.org/2020/West/Schedule (https://boffosocko.com/?p=55772752) (twitter.com/_/status/1276972353944248323)
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@fluffy at @indiewebcamp, @petermolnar presenting about http://integromat.com which looks way better than IfTTT for those who want to do any sort of web API bridging/automation (twitter.com/_/status/1276974688330117121)
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@joe4ska The #IndieWeb is a magical place where we own our own content on "our" website(s) @indiewebcamp. https://www.linuxbookpro.com/indiewebcamp-west/ (twitter.com/_/status/1276975092598071296)
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petermolnar aaronpk ... I have an embarassing request. Please reset my API key on telegraph... because I just showed the token over my presentation.
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petermolnar I'm so sorry.
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aaronpk oops i should really have a reset key button for that
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aaronpk petermolnar: they are reset now
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petermolnar thank you!
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@joe4ska Currently taking notes from @petermolnar's session at @indieweb Camp West on my website at https://www.linuxbookpro.com/codeless-automation-tools-and-the-indieweb-how-webmentions-and-the-web-works/ (twitter.com/_/status/1276980064584794113)
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[manton] There wasn’t time to bring this up in today’s Micropub session, but later I’d like to follow up on issue #25. Currently we have a couple implementations of the idea but they are totally different. https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/25
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Loqi [manton] #25 Standalone pages
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jacky oh yessss
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[schmarty] manton: ah, dang, that reminds me of an idea i wanted to bring up
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GWG [manton]: Can you update the list for any client you know of?
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jacky that's like the _last_ thing I need before I go from v2.jacky.wtf to just jacky.wtf
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GWG On all parameters?
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@jackyalcine Wow amazing first session @indiewebcamp! The blog posts after today will be niceeee (twitter.com/_/status/1276989461964840960)
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GWG And current micro.blog support for everything
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[schmarty] using micropub to edit collections
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[schmarty] which, i guess, should probably work already
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[schmarty] but yeah editing standalone page +!
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[manton] @GWG Sure, I can go through and add a couple Micro.blog-related implementations to the wiki.
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[schmarty] jgmac1106: eh?
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[manton] [jacky] Maybe it’s worth continuing that discussion in GitHub? I’d love to implement it, but not totally sure which path to take. (Great talk this morning, by the way!)
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jacky and I just commented on it lol :)
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[manton] I was smiling when you mentioned our discussion from Austin, because it feels like forever ago. And I’m pretty sure no one has gotten as much work done in the last few months as they wanted. 🙂
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[tantek] gosh yes Austin feels like a different reality ago
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[tantek] also I do remember having a sinking feeling during that weekend that it might be the last for a while
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[manton] It really was. If Austin IWC had been even 1 week later, I think it would have been scrapped.
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[tantek] yup
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jacky [manton]: >_< if you asked me, I would have said that I said that to you like a year ago lol
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jacky wow yeah
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[tantek] what happened to the description of Here Today Gone Tomorrow in https://etherpad.indieweb.org/2020-West-Sessions ?
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[schmarty] tantek: looks like it was cut-and-pasted into the session etherpad https://etherpad.indieweb.org/here-today
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gRegorLove It's still there for me?
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gRegorLove line 170
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[tantek] huh, in line 170 of the sessions etherpad is in the middle of the *Hovercards session*
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GWG Apologies...just realized I forgot to start the recording in Tags...just did...so we lost the first few minutes.
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GWG My fault.
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GWG Someone dekarma me
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aaronpk GWG: it's supposed to be on auto-start, did you manually stop it?
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GWG We didn't start until a few minutes in.
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GWG I'll cut it next time in post and not stop and start it
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aaronpk if it's easier just don't worry about it, we don't usually trim the session videos anyway cause it's too much work
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GWG I got distracted by double duty on facilitating...
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aaronpk right
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GWG I will not be doing it again.
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aaronpk better to record too much than too little
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aaronpk i made the accounts auto-record to make fewer steps for us
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[tantek] whoa
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aaronpk gRegorLove++ for wiki gardening
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Loqi gRegorLove has 25 karma in this channel over the last year (79 in all channels)
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@joe4ska Here today Gone Tomorrow Sarah Hibner talks about the challenges of archiving the web. #IndieWeb https://www.linuxbookpro.com/here-today-gone-tomorrow/ (twitter.com/_/status/1277001390393417729)
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[tantek] gosh darning I really want to participate in both private posts and hovercards
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jacky same
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jacky this is going to be hard
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[tantek] yup
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[tantek] oh phew we're on break
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@w3bk3rn3l Attending IndieWebCamp West 2020 #indieweb (https://paulopinto.org/2020/06/211/) (twitter.com/_/status/1277017124712710147)
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[tantek] do we have a count down for next session start
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GWG 4 minutes
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gRegorLove GWG are you starting red room or do I need to switch Zoom accounts to start it?
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GWG I was charged with starting the orange room....
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GWG It's started
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GWG Need me to do red, I will
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aaronpk want me to start the red room?
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aaronpk if you're ready
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gRegorLove Sure, I'm ready
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gRegorLove thx
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aaronpk it's on
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[tantek] LAST SESSION(!!!)
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[schmarty] aaaarggh how do i choose which of these sessions to attend 😭😭