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tantek.com created /pop-ups (+20) "r" (view diff)
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[tantek] GWG++ looks good! Thank you!
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Loqi GWG has 28 karma in this channel over the last year (136 in all channels)
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tantek.com edited /Category:jargon (+35) "+salmention, in-reply-to" (view diff)
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[tantek] GWG, any particular topics for HWC tonight?
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GWG Like?
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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@liamzebedee ↩️ Dude, http://conf.activitypub.rocks looks *awesome*. I think @3boxdb should take a look at their lineup - indieweb needs to get into touch with web3. (twitter.com/_/status/1291185808242651136)
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gregorlove.com edited /h-feed (+139) "/* Feeds other than h-entry */ my examples" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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Loqi [Event Updated] boffosocko.com updated "Aug 5, 2020 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club West Coast" changed description "archiving etherpad" https://events.indieweb.org/event/134/history/497/diff
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boffosocko.com created /events/2020-08-05-hwc-west-coast (+1206) "initial archive of etherpad" (view diff)
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Loqi [Event Updated] boffosocko.com updated "Aug 5, 2020 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club West Coast" changed description "fix link to etherpad with correct date" https://events.indieweb.org/event/134/history/498/diff
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boffosocko.com edited /JSON_Feed (+992) "Sponsorship of the spec by IndieWeb Community" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] Following this evening's HWC West Meetup where /JSON_feed was a general topic of discussion, I've added a stub to the page ^^ to encourage further discussion/voting on the issue. [manton], GWG if you could take a quick look at the wording, I would appreciate it. Everyone else, please discuss and indicate your support.
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@kopfzeiler Twitter macht mich ziemlich müde. Deshalb bündele ich kurze Gedanken und Querverweise stärker auf meinem Microblog micro.kopfzeiler http://micro.kopfzeiler.org/ (ausführlicher: https://kopfzeiler.org/blog/2020/08/05/micro-kopfzeiler-statt-twitter/) #OwnYourContent #Indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1291279280043950081)
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Loqi [New Event] ohhelloana.blog created "Aug 19, 2020 7:00pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" https://events.indieweb.org/dfYoDNpUPIuu
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Loqi [New Event] ohhelloana.blog created "Aug 26, 2020 7:00pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" https://events.indieweb.org/kjkPdt9VfXBg
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+389) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs () "(-548) update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /Template:next-hwc (+0) "update next date from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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@depone @hallouberspace gibt es die Möglichkeit für IndieAuth den Header REDIRECT_HTTP_AUTHORIZATION zu erlauben? (IndieAuth Spec: https://indieauth.spec.indieweb.org/) (twitter.com/_/status/1291370880619220993)
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[manton] [chrisaldrich] Thanks! Looks good.
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manton.org edited /JSON_Feed (+15) "Adding +1 for JSON Feed." (view diff)
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[manton] After a couple emails with IANA, they will not approved the JSON Feed media type unless it’s submitted on behalf of a recognized standards organization or has an independent-stream RFC. The IndieWeb isn’t yet a recognized organization, but I feel like it could be. Here’s a current list: https://www.iana.org/assignments/iesg-recognized-organizations
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[manton] I wonder if my best path forward right now is to write an RFC for JSON Feed. The jsonfeed.org site would still be the canonical version, but the RFC would be more formally written and satisfy other standards folks. Then as we move forward it could be mirrored at spec.indieweb.org. Thoughts?
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[KevinMarks] So how do we ask iesg to be recognised?
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aaronpk [manton]: I don't know the other implications of the independent stream process but I'd suggest you get familiar with that process and any limitations before going that route?
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aaronpk for example can you even have a "canonical" version that exists outside that RFC? What do you need to do to update it later? etc
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[manton] [KevinMarks] Good question. I don’t know. I skimmed a couple RFCs about process but this might be something that needs to be asked directly to IESG folks.
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aaronpk From that page: "Requests from other organizations will be
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aaronpk confirmed by the IESG, and after such confirmation those organizations
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aaronpk will be added to this list."
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aaronpk so that seems doable?
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[manton] [aaronpk] Thanks. My understanding is that RFCs are basically frozen, and then require _new_ RFCs for changes. That is a definite drawback and would make the specs fragmented and confusing.
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aaronpk Yea
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aaronpk afaik there's no "living standard" concept at IETF
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grant.codes edited /posts (+81) "/* Testing */ Add link to examples.tpxl.io" (view diff)
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aaronpk It sounds like there's a process to be recognized there, is that the best path forward?
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[manton] I think it is the best path. I would only write the RFC to get this media type registered and move on, which I’ll admit is not the best reason.
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[manton] Having IndieWeb recognized would help going forward with potentially several specs.
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manton.org edited /JSON_Feed (+60) "Added JSON Feed validator link." (view diff)
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GWG [manton]: I vote for us adopting it as a project
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[manton] Thanks, GWG.
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GWG [manton]: https://jf2.spec.indieweb.org/#jsonfeed_to_jf2feed
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GWG How would you feel about looking to merge in some of the jf2feed vocabulary?
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[manton] @GWG I think it’s worth exploring. Long term, it would be great if both formats shared more fields so that it’s easier to work with them.
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GWG To be honest, jf2 feed has few publishers/consumers... though I think we need to update the list
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david.shanske.com edited /JSON_Feed (+13) "/* Voting */" (view diff)
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sknebel kind of annoying. JSON Feed got the initial publicity, but not the features. jf2 has the features, but little use
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GWG sknebel: I think we can have a happy medium
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sknebel maybe, but it makes it a lot slower sadly
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GWG sknebel: What are your thoughts about adoption though?
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sknebel adoption as in it living on indieweb.org pages? neutral. its not somethng I'd call an "indieweb community" project, but if it needs a home why not (+ its not like I realstically have any work from that, so other votes are more important)
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tantek.com edited /events/2020-08-05-hwc-west-coast (+13) "note topics discussed vs potential" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2020-08-05-hwc-west-coast (+63) "HWC template" (view diff)
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[tantek] since we have quite a few Etherpads archived from HWC meetups, rather than have them lost among unlinked wiki pages, I suggest we link directly to them from the HWC template
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[tantek] what do people think?
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[tantek] here: https://indieweb.org/Template:Homebrew_Website_Club
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Jun 26, 2020 8:00pm IndieWebCamp West - Eat Your Own Cooking Pre Party" changed tags "+west" https://events.indieweb.org/event/105/history/501/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Jun 22, 2020 6:30pm IndieWebCamp West 2020 pre-camp preparation" changed tags "+west" https://events.indieweb.org/event/102/history/502/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Jun 26, 2020 9:30am IndieWebCamp West 2020 Organizers Meeting" changed tags "+west iwc indiewebcamp" https://events.indieweb.org/event/109/history/503/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Jun 27 - 28, 2020 IndieWebCamp West 2020" changed tags "+west iwc" https://events.indieweb.org/event/94/history/504/diff
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tantek.com edited /cities (+153) "adding regions as an abstraction, including Cyberspace, and Time Zones, with example of WEST" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Template:Homebrew_Website_Club (+100) "try an individual event day to link to the events list, and emoji for linking to a specific etherpad" (view diff)
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[tantek] alright here's one way to do it, check out the 2020 row here: https://indieweb.org/Template:Homebrew_Website_Club
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[tantek] Note the "• 08-05🌴"
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[tantek] What do people think? I'd like to at least include entries for each HWC Etherpad that's archived
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tantek.com edited /JSON_Feed (+483) "+1 with some reasons / considerations" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /mf2json (+210) "stub dfn" (view diff)
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[tantek] it looks like the March through June HWC West events were not tagged with "west" or "westcoast" so it's hard to point to a past list of them all.
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[tantek] https://events.indieweb.org/tag/west/archive
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[tantek] Could I get some help from folks with adding the "west" and "westcoast" tags to HWC West events listed here (months March through June, feel free to pick a month and say you're doing it so we can split it up) https://events.indieweb.org/archive
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[tantek] !tell gRegorLove, [chrisaldrich] I'm particularly interested in your opinion of using our HWC Template table to link to the etherpad archives of past HWCs, since there's no easy way to quickly see / browse all those: https://indieweb.org/Template:Homebrew_Website_Club (see the 08-05 example there with the 🌴 for the "west" link for that day in particular)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove Sounds good to me
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Loqi gRegorLove: [tantek] left you a message 2 minutes ago: I'm particularly interested in your opinion of using our HWC Template table to link to the etherpad archives of past HWCs, since there's no easy way to quickly see / browse all those: https://indieweb.org/Template:Homebrew_Website_Club (see the 08-05 example there with the 🌴 for the "west" link for that day in particular)
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gRegorLove I think all the west events should have #sf (and other cities), so https://events.indieweb.org/tag/sf/archive
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gRegorLove Though west makes for a nicer URL
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@geonz OK when I can't even figure out how to send a viewer to the top of the page, it's time to get up and go for a ride. #indieweb blues (twitter.com/_/status/1291438967049551877)
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[tantek] huh?
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[tantek] !tell [Ana_Rodrigues], [calumryan] I just noticed the HWC London Etherpad from this weeks HWC London: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/Xsk0dbeSRU — do you regularly archive those to the wiki like we do with the HWC West etherpads?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] !tell jamietanna Does HWC Nottingham keep an Etherpad of notes from the meetups of topics discussed, links shared etc.? Didn't find one linked here and wondered if it happened informally https://events.indieweb.org/2020/08/online-homebrew-website-club-nottingham-qZ0U2nBYUpZT
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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loqi.me created /application/mf2+json (+283) "prompted by [tantek] and dfn added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /application/mf2+json (+148) "[tantek] added "XRay consuming code: https://github.com/aaronpk/XRay/blob/37e297d1143c37e5173253ec1ce352c706bb4828/lib/XRay/Formats/HTML.php#L97" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /tag-reply (+370) "IndieWeb Interest, me, working on" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de moved /WordPress_mf2_feed_plugin to /WordPress_MF2_Feeds_Plugin "match plugin title and style of other plugin pages"
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gRegorLove I mean all the west events should be in that tag. I think I misunderstood, though, you want only the online west coast events?
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[tantek] I wanted at least the online west coast events
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[tantek] I'd be ok with tagging past IRL events too
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "Mar 25, 2020 6:00pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club West Coast" changed tags https://events.indieweb.org/event/61/history/505/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "Mar 18, 2020 6:00pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club West Coast" changed tags https://events.indieweb.org/event/51/history/506/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "Apr 8, 2020 6:00pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club West Coast" changed tags https://events.indieweb.org/event/67/history/508/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "Apr 15, 2020 6:00pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club West Coast" changed tags https://events.indieweb.org/event/70/history/509/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "Apr 1, 2020 6:00pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club West Coast" changed tags https://events.indieweb.org/event/63/history/507/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "Apr 29, 2020 6:00pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club West Coast" changed tags https://events.indieweb.org/event/52/history/511/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "Apr 22, 2020 6:00pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club West Coast" changed tags https://events.indieweb.org/event/76/history/510/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "May 6, 2020 6:00pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club West Coast" changed tags https://events.indieweb.org/event/81/history/512/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "May 13, 2020 6:00pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club West Coast" changed tags https://events.indieweb.org/event/84/history/513/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "May 20, 2020 6:00pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club West Coast" changed tags https://events.indieweb.org/event/85/history/514/diff
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boffosocko.com edited /P2 (+495) "Renewed interest in P2 from Automattic" (view diff)
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "May 27, 2020 6:00pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club West Coast" changed tags https://events.indieweb.org/event/90/history/515/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "Jun 10, 2020 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club West Coast" changed tags https://events.indieweb.org/event/100/history/517/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "Jun 3, 2020 6:00pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club West Coast" changed tags https://events.indieweb.org/event/98/history/516/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "Jun 17, 2020 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club West Coast" changed tags https://events.indieweb.org/event/103/history/518/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "Jun 24, 2020 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club West Coast" changed tags https://events.indieweb.org/event/108/history/519/diff
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gRegorLove Think I got all of them
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gRegorLove https://events.indieweb.org/tag/west/archive
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tantek.com edited /tag-reply (+223) "Why: add labels to GitHub issues" (view diff)
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jamietanna tantek no we don't - there's not really as much structure on the conversation, it's more what people are working on. I've not really thought about documenting it, because I'm not sure the convos would be super interesting
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Loqi jamietanna: [tantek] left you a message 1 hour, 8 minutes ago: Does HWC Nottingham keep an Etherpad of notes from the meetups of topics discussed, links shared etc.? Didn't find one linked here and wondered if it happened informally https://events.indieweb.org/2020/08/online-homebrew-website-club-nottingham-qZ0U2nBYUpZT
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[tantek] no worries jamietanna! you can always do it "on demand" if it turns out there's interesting topics being discussed!
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jamietanna that's a good shout!
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[tantek] and the notes can be very minimal, even a few lines of what topics were of interest
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[tantek] we can make sure those topics have wiki pages, and then send people there for more info after the fact!
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tantek.com edited /untag (+662) "/* How to mark up? */ counterpoints, maybe u-untag-of is ok for now, to at least complement tag-of" (view diff)
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@abhasabhinav ↩️ I have tried to summarize my research on the #IndieWeb in a series of simple steps as well as links to some useful tools. https://abhas.io/indieweb-primer/ (twitter.com/_/status/1291516905287610368)
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@abhasabhinav I have tried to summarize my research on the #IndieWeb in a series of simple steps as well as links to some useful tools. https://abhas.io/indieweb-primer/ (twitter.com/_/status/1291516835297255425)
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