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[KevinMarks] It's nor the cart it's the shopping basket.
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[chrisaldrich] I put my squarespace site in and it tells me it doens't support mentions (which I want), so here's a preformatted email to send to squarespace to support Webmention....
# [KevinMarks] If you're using a silo url it's a paper bag that may not last.
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petermolnar shopping basket is perfect
# [KevinMarks] Or backpack in my case as I go shopping by bike.
# petermolnar which is why it's the perfect analogy given the variety of domains/urls
# petermolnar It's already Friday here, I need to get to sleep. Good ol' heated discussion, I hope something good will come out of it.
# [chrisaldrich] And for users who are purchasing IndieWeb as a Service it's useful to know what they may provide (or not https://indieweb.org/Quick_Start) to know which fast-casual or fine dining establishment they're going to patronize instead of going yet again to the fast-food restaurant du-jour (Tw, IG, FB, etc.)
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vilhalmer just got "too many redirects for https://indieweb.org/IndieMark - ." from the wiki after clicking the log in link
# [chrisaldrich] But doing that chart becomes useful not to make value judgements simply because a platform doesn't have a checkmark/x or a yes/no
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@doweio The IndieWeb, Revolution, and Other Reasons You Should Learn to Code: https://dowe.io/a/Cmq (twitter.com/_/status/1329584523412189186)
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vil.lv created /Template:vilhalmer (+121) "Created page with "<span class="h-card" style="white-space:nowrap">
{{sparkline|https://vil.lv/avatar.png}} [[User:Vil.lv|Bill Doyle]]</span>"" (view diff)[tw2113_Slack_] joined the channel
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tantek.com edited /IndieMark (-39) "clean-up some of the intro wording, move Calculating project to a new projects section, some https" (view diff)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-11-20.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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# [chrisaldrich] commonplace book << https://twitter.com/maneeshasane/status/932354610492334082
# Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/maneeshasane/status/932354610492334082" to the "See Also" section of /commonplace_book https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=73582&oldid=73513
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[jeremycherfas] Very interesting scroll back.
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[Murray] Just to throw something into last nights convo: as someone still "low ranked" in terms of IndieWeb stuff, I took one look at IndieMark a while back and subtly ran away 😄 Whereas the step-by-step UI structure of indiewebify.me means I keep going back to that site. I get the whole "gamification" concept, but really all that's trying to achieve are positive feedback loops; high scores/ranks are one way, but so are medals/rewards/immediate
# [Murray] The problem was, that the order didn't make sense for me, so I fell off the process. Personally, an ideal would be a branching pattern (like your shelf analogy) so you can pick up building blocks and work through them a la indiewebify.me, record progress, and see that in terms of badges or something like that for the gamification. Of course, that would never work on a Wiki; it needs to be a standalone site 😉 Just two cents to add to the
# [Murray] Oh, and whilst generations may be a useful framing device, and I'm not suggesting get rid of it, it is a pretty hard concept to grok and the occasional off-hand references around chat are still a level of terminology I don't want to invest time into learning. Seeing someone talk about people as Gen1 or Gen2 or whatever just feels a bit weird and off putting when you don't know the context, and even when you do it (if you don't fully
# petermolnar I'd like to propose a special Indieweb Wiki Editors meetup. It seems like many of us would like to sunset certain, older ideas, like Indiemark, Generations, etc, and replace it with a different approach. This process is not in line with the usual way of wikifying, and, therefore, probably needs a conversation.
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Zegnat But as I said the other day, I also feel like it is important to keep pushing that if you do not personally have a need for some of the interactions, then there is no reason to implement them. You do not need to use every LEGO brick in existence to build your house, just because those bricks exist. Just the rectangle ones are find for building too!
# petermolnar brutalism++
# [Murray] Zegnat, that's why I think a branching structure to any kind of onboarding guidance would be useful. The first step then becomes "what do you need your website to do" as opposed to the current system which sort of forces you to just do certain things 🙂 Like, for me, I really only want MicroPub (which is probably never going to happen because my setup is problematic for it 😄) and to _send_ webmentions. I currently have IndieAuth and
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@TrailHub1 #IndieVerse is: IndieWeb with
a People-centered Architecture using Web 3 protocols/ecosystem
Individuals forming emergent networks connecting as their own(ed) WebNative Hubs
Inspired by reading about the Fediverse & The Free Network by @DeadSuperHero https://link.medium.com/pOlxmIr8ybb (twitter.com/_/status/1329748926711406593)
# petermolnar that WebNative term trigger Web 2.0 "PTSD" in me
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@sl007 ↩️ Ok, mache ich.
Prof. Silvia Grundmann vom Council of Europe ist auch eine Gute. Die ist sogar mal zum IndieWebCamp gereist ;)
Andere Frage:
Wärst Du bereit der W3C 15-30 Minuten dazu zu schenken?
Wir haben regelmäßige Mumble meetings (Audio) … (twitter.com/_/status/1329756111310901256)
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[Aaron_Klemm] Huh, interesting, I've been using the term "IndieVerse" with friends as we setup IndieWeb + Fediverse systems.
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# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-11-20.html
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# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-11-20.html
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# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-11-20.html
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# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-11-20.html
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-11-20.html
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-11-20.html
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# [chrisaldrich] petermolnar, that's not a bad idea to schedule a particular session to discuss some of these older pages that need reframing/re-imagining. Perhaps we could start here with some people indicating interest and possible dates: https://indieweb.org/2020/Pop-up/Sessions#IndieWeb_Wiki_Edit-a-thon ?
# [chrisaldrich] What's the secret for getting camp photos to show up in the newsletter? Do we need to use a different format? Should we add them to the events page? What's the best way?
# [chrisaldrich] GWG, could you upload the screenshot you pulled for camp day 1 from the morning?
# [chrisaldrich] (when you have time/access, naturally)
# petermolnar I added myself, though initially I was thinking of a more generic session, mainly about the whole process of writing the wiki
# petermolnar specifically that deleting/archiving/cleaning up is not inherently bad
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[tantek] feel free to propose brainstorming thoughts re: deleting/archiving/cleaning up on /wikify#Brainstorming
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-11-20.html
# [tantek] but seriously, for "onboarding" or "getting started" type experiences, it greatly varies from person to person, level of ability / interest etc. some folks (such as yourself) want a branching structure. others don't have time (or desire to weigh options) and literally just want a clear step-by-step path. the key is to find ways of accomodating both styles, not throwing one away for the other (which usually results in a periodic back/forth
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boffosocko.com edited /2018/Nuremberg/geo (+120) "page definition; see also; remove category:other" (view diff)
# petermolnar loop; switch(what do you want); case identity) ... ; goto loop;; [...]; endloop ?
# petermolnar (for the branching ideas)
# boffosocko.com edited /Dogsheep (+98) "clean up definition for newsletter; sessions; see also" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /2020/Pop-up/Sessions (+40) "/* IndieWeb Wiki Edit-a-thon */ add [[wikify]] as required reading for adding/updating pages" (view diff)
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-11-20.html
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# Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-11-20.html
# tantek.com edited /2020/Pop-up/Sessions (+541) "/* IndieWeb Wiki Edit-a-thon */ add a few more pre-reading pages, propose prioritizing updating 2019/homepage first" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /2020/Pop-up/Sessions (+0) "/* IndieWeb Wiki Edit-a-thon */ linkfixes" (view diff)
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-11-20.html
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-11-20.html
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# Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-11-20.html
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-11-20.html (twitter.com/_/status/1329926259921485827)