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@ballpointcarrot The true challenge - how can I make posting content on my own space feel more comfortable than posting it on <insert platform here>? If I can get there, then I can IndieWeb the rest of it - I just need to make my own environment more enticing to post in. (twitter.com/_/status/1350600904769093632)
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@ballpointcarrot ↩️ That, and more. I want to be able to do https://indieweb.org/POSSE for "micro-blog" posts; eg, if I wanted to reply to this, I should be able to do that on my own site, reference this tweet, and have it propagate back out to Twitter. (twitter.com/_/status/1350624484890300418)
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[tantek] I mean that is what we do here
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@benwerd ↩️ 3. Indieweb readers don't seem to announce the number of subscribers in HTTP GET calls, unlike other readers. 4. Feedly seems to have an order of magnitude more users than any other reader (or for some reason my readers are all clustered there). (twitter.com/_/status/1350668064824573952)
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[tantek] good responses and especially conclusion aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 49 karma in this channel over the last year (212 in all channels)
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GWG I've pulled pictures of several indiewebcamps and I may finally post them
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[tantek] nice
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erambler.co.uk edited /Webmention (+201) "/* Tools */ Add mention of commentpara.de for commenting" (view diff)
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@jezcope ↩️ And now I know that I've found it on http://IndieWeb.org and I can see that it was one of @kaushalmodi's posts I saw it on the other day. (twitter.com/_/status/1350743608081739776)
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@tusmartphone IndieWeb, el movimiento que busca sacar a los usuarios de los "jardines amurallados" que son las grandes plataformas online http://dlvr.it/Rqls3Z por @genbeta (twitter.com/_/status/1350788849190924289)
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@flobrinkmann Dank Webmentions (danke @pfefferle für den Vortrag übers IndieWeb beim @wp0711) ist die Konversation unter dem Twee… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1350791240980295684 (twitter.com/_/status/1350791240980295684)
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@PositiveWired Not being funny but if you are shocked by the recent deplatforming trends, among your thought leaders for a way out should be folks like @indiewebcamp or the @fsf who have been banging on about self protection from privacy violation, content silos, centralised internet for years. (twitter.com/_/status/1350808424402087937)
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@DailyDevTips1 ↩️ I really like all these IndieWeb things, really need to attend a meetup (twitter.com/_/status/1350819175565058049)
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@flobrinkmann ↩️ Ich habe das hier als Ausgangspunkt (https://de.wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/) und dann das Webmention- und Semantic-Linkbacks-Plugin, ich glaube das müssten die sein, damit das funktioniert. Und die Webmentions kriege ich über http://brid.gy (twitter.com/_/status/1350820291518328832)
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@flobrinkmann ↩️ Hier ist das Video des Vortrags von @pfefferle https://notiz.blog/2020/09/10/wp-meetup-stuttgart-indieweb-und-wordpress/ (twitter.com/_/status/1350821954090135554)
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GWG Uploading some photos I took during IWC Austin 2017.
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GWG https://david.shanske.com/2017/12/08/4274/
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GWG Remembering how things were crowded because some guy was speaking.
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Loqi [David Shanske] Austin is a bit crowded as Vice President Joe Biden is in town. https://david.shanske.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/IMG_20171208_140918462-768x1024.jpg
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[tantek] "Dank Webmentions"?!? Oh dear
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sknebel lol
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sknebel you do realize that's German?
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sknebel (like the rest of the tweet)
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sknebel (= "thanks to")
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GWG [tantek]: Do you recall this never before seen behind the scenes IWC photo?
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GWG https://david.shanske.com/2017/12/09/4283/
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[tantek] yes sknebel, I thought it was still funny 😂
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sknebel :D
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[tantek] GWG, that looks more like right in the middle of the scene IWC AUS 2017
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GWG [tantek]: Did you remember the weather conditions that day?
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GWG I am adding posts I should have posted
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[tantek] I do not. though I likely had breakfast tacos for breakfast that day 🌮 😋
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GWG [tantek]: Trying to decide if I should tag people 3 years after the fact
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loqi.me edited /Gemini (+110) "petermolnar added "https://maya.land/monologues/2021/01/11/the-tragedy-of-gemini.html" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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[tantek] GWG, I tag people in Flickr photos a decade+ after the fact and usually they find it quite humorous like a flashback notification
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[tantek] that being said see also the concerns noted in person tagging
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GWG [tantek]: That's why I don't usually tag people
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[tantek] -> #indieweb
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@cleverdevil ↩️ Another outstanding article, Joanna! I’d encourage you to look at the IndieWeb movement, and examples of services that embrace giving users control, and eschew algorithms entirely, like http://Micro.blog. I worked on an IndieWeb powered “reader” - https://alltogethernow.io (twitter.com/_/status/1350882628061208576)
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david.shanske.com edited /person-tag (+987) (view diff)
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@cleverdevil Joanna continues to do incredible work shining a light on the challenges of living as a user of the modern social web. My advice? (1) Delete Facebook (2) Use chronological timeline on Twitter (3) Get a domain & website you control (4) Use a social reader https://aaronparecki.com/2018/04/20/46/indieweb-reader-my-new-home-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1350884165256769538)
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@voxpelli ↩️ If you set up a POSSE flow from your Eleventy site then maybe you could fix that either in your site or in a Micropub endpoint of yours? https://indieweb.org/POSSE @aaronpk This would probably depend on https://github.com/w3c/Micropub/issues/61 ? (twitter.com/_/status/1350887057284091905)
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loqi.me created /Photo_Sphere (+77) "prompted by [tantek] and dfn added by GWG" (view diff)
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[tantek] sorry is that a proper noun? or meant to be generic?
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tantek.com deleted /Photo_Sphere "lol oops content was: "{{stub}} '''<dfn>Photo Sphere</dfn>''' is the google term for it, I believe.", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Loqi.me|Loqi.me]]" ([[User talk:Loqi.me|talk]])"
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[tantek] I'm now thinking that due to the Newsletter recognizing new pages but *not* recognizing when a redirect gets turned into a new page, it may be better to delete a redirect then recreate it as a new page instead of merely "editing" it
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[tantek] Thoughts? aaronpk?
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aaronpk depends on how it determines something is a new page
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aaronpk i think there's a flag in the MW API that tells it a page is new
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[tantek] I'm saying IDK a way to automatically detect redirect -> content transitions (meaning "new" semantically)
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[tantek] so delete/recreate is a workaround
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aaronpk is there a recent example of an edit changing something from a redirect to a page?
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aaronpk there's a "redirect" property in the API but i can't tell what it does
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aaronparecki.com created /test-redirect (+17) "Redirected page to [[test]]" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /test-redirect (-2) (view diff)
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aaronpk hm yeah that's not going to be easy
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aaronpk delete + create is simpler
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aaronparecki.com deleted /test-redirect "just testing"
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[tantek] wikify << Tip: When editing a redirect (a page which is nothing more than a #redirect line), if you are replacing it with actual content, instead, perhaps note in the #indieweb-meta [[discuss]] channel that you're going to replace it with actual content, then delete the redirect, and recreate the page with the new content.
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Loqi ok, I added "Tip: When editing a redirect (a page which is nothing more than a #redirect line), if you are replacing it with actual content, instead, perhaps note in the #indieweb-meta [[discuss]] channel that you're going to replace it with actual content, then delete the redirect, and recreate the page with the new content." to the "See Also" section of /wikifying https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=74283&oldid=72662
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tantek.com deleted /recent_changes "to make room for actual content. was: "#REDIRECT[[Special:RecentChanges]]]]", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Loqi.me|Loqi.me]]" ([[User talk:Loqi.me|talk]])"
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tantek.com created /recent_changes (+588) "draft with dfn, stubs" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /recent_updates (+27) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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[schmarty] oh hey i'm in that austin 2017 photo! look at that short haircut!
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@tamar_marvin Fell down a happy #IndieWeb rabbit hole today & wrote a colophon for my website: https://trmarvin.org/colophon/ Turns out I've been at this since I built my first website about Walt Whitman for an enterprising English prof in the late 90s. Was randomly assigned to the "learn html" group (twitter.com/_/status/1350931835598090243)
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[tantek] Nice! Maybe ask if it's ok to add that as an example to /colophon?
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[tantek] [Tamar]++ welcome! And since you're here, want to add yourself to https://indieweb.org/colophon#IndieWeb_Examples ?
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[Tamar] Sure thing! Glad to contribute
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GWG [schmarty]: Should I add more classic [schmarty] IWC pictures?
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[tw2113_Slack_]1 Aww yiss the future legendary Tamar is here
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[tw2113_Slack_]1 no pressure
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@mholzschlag With all possible respect, one can and should be able to write semantic markup and"simply apply' #CSS to it. Done well, it's better than what we have today I'd contend! #WebDev #WebDesign #OpenWebStack #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1350953359801507840)