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@voxpelli A reminder, when talking about Decentralized Social Networks we can refer to at least three different things: * Federated Social Web: Many Twitter like sites which can exchange messages * IndieWeb: Every user has its own site * Distributed Social Networks: Uses p2p, not HTTP (twitter.com/_/status/1356910172183162883)
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@voxpelli ↩️ Mastodon as an example is a Federated Social Web solution whereas most new initiatives that I see are Distributed Social Networks (like @bluesky) and @indiewebcamp is probably the only IndieWeb style approach yet (twitter.com/_/status/1356911990975975424)
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@pfefferle ↩️ I think the technologies of both ideas #IndieWeb and #Fediverse are solving the same issues, but the ideas behind them are different. The #Fediverse is a new paradigm that only works if everyone speaks the same protocol. (twitter.com/_/status/1356913326123601920)
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@pfefferle ↩️ The #IndieWeb is more pragmatic and tries to work nicely with existing silos. I like what @t said once: “I don't care about federation, I care about my content, I care about my friends.” http://tantek.com/presentations/2014/06/indieweb/?full#care-content-friends (twitter.com/_/status/1356914549002297345)
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb people
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@philurich ↩️ Personally my own site on the Fediverse is kinda like IndieWeb, because it's a single-user (me) site, heh. So that's another aspect of this, lines can be blurred a bit between these categories. (twitter.com/_/status/1356919442773434379)
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aaronpk I feel like Fediverse shouldn't be listed as jargon
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aaronpk it's a term used by end users of fediverse apps, not always developers
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beehiveth :D hi, Saphire, i saw your messages in #indieweb
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beehiveth i'm also really into the principles and protocols that indieweb proposes and i literally only learned about it like a week ago, it's so odd
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Saphire Oh yeah, they are really neat
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beehiveth i managed to set up my static site today on https://liminalismo.com, but there's just so much #dev stuff that i have to keep track of ;_;
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Loqi [Isaac Rodríguez] > en la meua boca un correfoc
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Saphire Oh, did you make it by hand or?
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beehiveth Yeah, just desperately fiddling around
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Saphire Wonder if that is more a #dev conversation? But yeah, it can be done but it can be rather tedious to do it manually. Had an unclosed tag for some metadata myself..
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[Murray] what is bikeshedding
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Loqi bikeshedding is arguing about what color to paint the bikeshed (often applied to naming arguments) instead of the actually important functionality because the latter is harder, and the former is superficial enough that anyone can have an opinion https://indieweb.org/bikeshedding
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Saphire Hm? o:
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[Murray] Sorry Saphire, not relevant to your convo, was on a big scrollback in the chat and wanted context around something that was being discussed earlier 😄
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Saphire Oh! Got it ^^
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@toofeoo ↩️ what is indieweb ? a protocol ? (twitter.com/_/status/1357009679482826752)
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@pfefferle ↩️ I would say IndieWeb is an "idea" or a "philosophy" and it comes with some specs/protocols :) (twitter.com/_/status/1357011531154784261)
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@voxpelli ↩️ Yeah, IndieWeb is an idea and some specifications has arisen from that idea: https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/1357012293733806082)
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[Ana_Rodrigues] Homebrew Website Club Europe/London will start in less than 30 minutes 👋
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@JamieTanna Thanks for those coming to #HomebrewWebsiteClub Nottingham (https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2021/02/n5ju5/) (twitter.com/_/status/1357036692318924800)
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[calumryan] Seems etherpad is down [aaronpk]
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aaronpk odd..that shouldn't have been affected by what i did earlier
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jacky side note
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jacky would it make sense to have a status page for some indieweb stuff?
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jacky also TIL that StatusPage is owned by Atlassian D:
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aaronpk depends on how the status page is updated
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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aaronpk yeah i don't understand what changed
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aaronpk wow we should upgrade ours, it looks fancy now https://github.com/ether/etherpad-lite
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Loqi [ether] etherpad-lite: Etherpad: real-time collaborative document editor
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jacky oh that's sick
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jacky and it has video support!
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jacky omg https://static.etherpad.org/plugins.html
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jacky the ToC one! lol
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jacky oh interesting, there's a means of doing SSO
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jacky this is probably the only thing I'd want in the indieweb pads: https://www.npmjs.com/package/ep_comments_page
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jacky mainly for unconferences :)
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aaronpk yeah it's supposed to be doing SSO on our domain like the wiki and events.indieweb.org
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jacky hmm when I go to https://etherpad.indieweb.org; it's asking for some HTTP Basic creds
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jacky that's probably the wrong URL
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aaronpk nah hang on
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aaronpk i don't understand what's going on
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aaronpk trying to fix it
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jacky kk
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jacky sees that you've updated to the sparkly new one :)
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aaronpk tbh i have no idea why the other one stopped and why it suddenly forgot about our logins
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aaronpk so i was like meh i'll just install from scratch
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aaronpk for some reason it has to compile sqlite every time it's restarted
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aaronpk oookay it's back
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aaronpk should be working again
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jacky IIRC sqlite has to be statically built into apps (which is kinda wild, kinda cool)
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aaronpk yea but like it shouldn't trash the previous build when it restarts
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jacky oooh gotcha
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jacky hm I think it works
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[calumryan] liking the new typeface
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GWG New ether pad? Excited to see
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Saphire -10?
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aaronpk 10 characters removed in the edit
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Saphire Oh
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@fourtonfish ↩️ Well this answers it. https://indieweb.org/Glitch (twitter.com/_/status/1357101245413130240)
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@anildash ↩️ yeah, I think a good characterization (our team's thought about this more deeply than my abbreviated response) is that apps created on Glitch *can* be compatible with indieweb principles, and adding a domain to them is the shortest path to that. (twitter.com/_/status/1357109946224156672)
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