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# kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs () "(-524) update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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@fourtonfish ↩️ I don't even necessarily disagree with you here, but there sure are some gray areas. But it does rub me the wrong way to have the distinction come down to how much one can afford to spend. Is there a way to have an #indieweb site completely for free? (twitter.com/_/status/1357334627640348672)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ Your own domain is the strongest indieweb signal as it is harder to have it taken from you. There are ways you can use indieweb tools and protocols on other sites too - it's deliberately not monolithic. Have a look at https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started (twitter.com/_/status/1357335883217739782)
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@jennschiffer ↩️ but i'm glad you raised the cost issue of domains! it's important for all movements like indieweb to recognize and have a conversation about how it's impossible to fully divorce the movement from capitalism. how can we make domains freely available and guaranteed to live forever (twitter.com/_/status/1357351241953792000)
# @jennschiffer ↩️ yep! and while i bristle at the idea of folks considering glitch indieweb (we *are* a corporation selling saas after all), the fact that we do put a lot of thought into making sure our users aren't locked in to the service has been extremely meaningful to me as a user & employee (twitter.com/_/status/1357352410197417986)
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[schmarty] now that is a thinker!
# [schmarty] i'm trying to grok why an employee of a corporation selling saas would bristle at the idea of folks considering that product as "indieweb"... 🤔
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[KevinMarks] Jenn is a star
# [KevinMarks] She's wary of them over claiming. She gets it
# [schmarty] haha, i assumed that she did, so i didn't want to miss out. that makes a lot of sense!
# [schmarty] (i am a fan of Jenn's work w/ glitch. and lampooning webdev and social media. and even of her gluten free vegan turkey cake on hoobastank2 😂 )
# [KevinMarks] related thread https://twitter.com/jasnell/status/1357359373761142786
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@jasnell Dead links are awesome, aren't they? Do a search for some old spec work done long ago, click on the link... turns out the original domain has expired and has been taken over by a porn spammer posting some really awful crap. :-/ .... needless to say I won't be saying which domain. (twitter.com/_/status/1357359373761142786)
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# [schmarty] hrm. do we have any guidance written down on adding oneself to IndieWeb Examples? i vaguely recall it's typical to list things chronologically but as jacky noted above some links go dead.
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Examples" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Examples is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi IndieWeb Examples is a common section of many IndieWeb wiki pages that lists IndieWeb community members (and sometimes others) who have implemented a particular feature or technology, or who actively use it, on their personal site https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb_Examples
# [schmarty] you can definitely add agenda items to the event at events.indieweb.org !
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[tantek] IndieWeb Examples << Add yourself to an IndieWeb Examples section in chronological order by date of first publication of actual example of the thing (with permalink, preferably with link text like "since YYYY-MM-DD" with the ISO date of publication), and feel free to help sort other examples by date of first publication (if they're note already ordered as such)
# Loqi ok, I added "Add yourself to an IndieWeb Examples section in chronological order by date of first publication of actual example of the thing (with permalink, preferably with link text like "since YYYY-MM-DD" with the ISO date of publication), and feel free to help sort other examples by date of first publication (if they're note already ordered as such)" to the "See Also" section of /IndieWeb_Examples https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=74483&oldid=71970
# [tantek] IndieWeb Examples << If an example is gone, rather than delete it, please move it to a subsequent "Past Examples" section, also in chronological order of date of first publication, and link to Internet Archive versions of the links as of their dates of publication, thus hopefully demonstrating how the examples worked when they were originally published.
# Loqi ok, I added "If an example is gone, rather than delete it, please move it to a subsequent "Past Examples" section, also in chronological order of date of first publication, and link to Internet Archive versions of the links as of their dates of publication, thus hopefully demonstrating how the examples worked when they were originally published." to the "See Also" section of /IndieWeb_Examples https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=74484&oldid=74483
# [tantek] IndieWeb Examples << If there are merely individual dead links in an example, please replace them with links to the Internet Archive as of the time of publication of those links (consider checking the page history for when the links were originally added, and use that date of change as the date to lookup in the Internet Archive)
# Loqi ok, I added "If there are merely individual dead links in an example, please replace them with links to the Internet Archive as of the time of publication of those links (consider checking the page history for when the links were originally added, and use that date of change as the date to lookup in the Internet Archive)" to the "See Also" section of /IndieWeb_Examples https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=74485&oldid=74484
# [schmarty] haha thanks tantek++
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jamietanna ooh the new etherpad update looks good
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tantek.com edited /life_happens (+4285) "capture braindump in the chat channel, hopefully representative of community consensus" (view diff)
# Loqi life happens is a summary expression of numerous things that people experience in their actual physical lives that suddenly take higher priority than nearly anything else (like participation in volunteer-based communities), and the IndieWeb community is here to acknowledge, accept, and be supportive of community members experiencing this https://indieweb.org/life_happens
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