#meta 2021-02-17

2021-02-17 UTC
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@kevinmarks ↩️ there are several open source ones at https://indieweb.org/Webmention#Publisher_Services I found writing http://mention.tech fairly straightforward; the bit that requires more thought is how you present different kinds of responses https://indieweb.org/responses (twitter.com/_/status/1361854683699027968)
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@cleverdevil ↩️ Great post! I wrote about a related topic back in 2017. It’s time for a browser to become the lynchpin in the future of the social web. https://cleverdevil.io/2017/user-experience-and-the-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1361875255212433415)
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GWG Anyone coming tomorrow night to HWC Americas? I'm the only RSVP as of now.
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[tantek] GWG, hope to make it
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GWG Maxwell I believe is off this week.
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[tantek] hey all I'm going to delete https://indieweb.org/wiki_patrolling because it's got zero edits since creation 5+ years ago has nothing really indieweb specific, and we've long since been documenting such things at /wikify
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[tantek] unless there are objections?
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[schmarty] bin it!
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tantek.com deleted /wiki_patrolling "content was created in 2016, zero edits, not particularly indieweb-specific, long superseded by [[wikify]]"
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aaronpk 🗑
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theadhocracy.co.uk edited /gatsby (+194) "Adding tutorial citation" (view diff)
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theadhocracy.co.uk edited /gatsby (+510) "RSS plugin info" (view diff)
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theadhocracy.co.uk edited /gatsby (+271) "Kickstarting Indieweb examples" (view diff)
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theadhocracy.co.uk edited /gatsby (+1358) "Info on incremental builds" (view diff)
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theadhocracy.co.uk edited /gatsby (+1411) "Section on hydration and js;dr" (view diff)
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[tantek] 5 days until one year anniversary of IWC Austin 2020, the last time we held an in-person IWC: https://indieweb.org/2020/Austin
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2021-02-22 7:43am PST (#6833)
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GWG I was disappointed I missed another visit to that vegan burger truck next to the Hotel Indigo
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tantek.com edited /article (+57) "/* Tantek */ fix year/dates/links" (view diff)
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[tantek] yikes it looks like kylewm(.)com (like literally going to the home page) is trying to make you download a PHP script with only spaces or something in the name. sharing here because that looks like a bad attempt at hacking a vulnerability or something and maybe we should disable all kylewm .com links on the wiki? anyone been in touch with kylewm [kylewm] and or know the status of that domain? [benatwork] benwerd?
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[tantek] (let's see if that works)
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aaronpk looks like it's the wordpress index.php file
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aaronpk like php is disabled on the server so it's outputting the text file
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GWG It's been taken over for ages by a poor copy
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aaronpk oh do you mean he lost the domain?
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tantek.com edited /composite_stream (+764) "review examples! label with headings, move a bunch to previous" (view diff)
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aaronpk if he lost the domain then i would say yes let's remove the links from the wiki
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GWG Nothing from him directly, but all evidence says he did
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[tantek] looks like tweets (mentioning indieweb) aren't coming through again
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aaronpk there was one this morning so it might just be twitter glitches
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[tantek] nevermind my error
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www.jvt.me edited /nicknames-cache (+183) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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[Ana_Rodrigues] Homebrew Website Club London starts in less than 15 minutes 🔮
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Loqi [Event Updated] ohhelloana.blog updated "Feb 17, 2021 7:00pm Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" changed description "Add etherpad link" https://events.indieweb.org/event/217/history/742/diff
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[tantek] thanks aaronpk, this sounds like a good policy: "lost the domain then i would say yes let's remove the links from the wiki" (or at least de-activate them or replace them with internet archive links)
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[tantek] would be interested in others's thoughts, something we should likely explicitly add to /wikify
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[tantek] does it make sense to keep track of such "lost indieweb domains" on a list / page to make it easier for folks editing/updating pages to check a list rather than have to remember (or check themselves) each domain?
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GWG I think Internet archive... maybe some sort of wiki template?
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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[KevinMarks] I think that does make sense, and it is a separate category from site deaths
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[KevinMarks] As well as archive links, git links make sense for some of them
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[tantek] ok going with lost sites until someone comes up with a better name
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[tantek] what are lost sites
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "lost sites" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "lost sites is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] what is a zombie
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Loqi zombie is in the context of the web a website that had died (site-deaths), perhaps due to domain registration neglect, and has been brought back by some other looking sorta like it did before, but oddly broken, often with spam pages/links added, and eats a lot of CPU likely due to abusive scripts https://indieweb.org/zombie
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[tantek] lost sites are former IndieWeb sites on domains that the owner lost control over, often taken over by other parties, sometimes turned into a [[zombie]]; links to such domains should be replaced with Internet Archive versions.
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /lost_sites (+252) "prompted by [tantek] and dfn added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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[tantek] lost sites << kylewm(.)com
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Loqi ok, I added "kylewm(.)com" to a brand new "See Also" section of /lost_sites https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=74629&oldid=74628
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loqi.me edited /lost_sites (+32) "[tantek] added "kylewm(.)com" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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[tantek] site deaths << lost sites
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Loqi ok, I added "[[lost sites]]" to the "See Also" section of /site-deaths https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=74630&oldid=73707
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[tantek] zombie << lost sites
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Loqi ok, I added "[[lost sites]]" to the "See Also" section of /zombie https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=74631&oldid=44979
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[tantek] well that's a start
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@JamieTanna Thanks for those coming to #HomebrewWebsiteClub Nottingham - we had some good discussions about Choose Your Own Adventures and versioning! (https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2021/02/tgxbn/) (twitter.com/_/status/1362117143958081550)
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diggingthedigital.com edited /Webmention (+1) "/* WordPress */" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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jacky.wtf edited /scope (+153) "added anchor to each scope" (view diff)
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jacky okay now for starters, doing a link to https://indieweb.org/scope#create can point to the specific scope
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[tantek] aaronpk, might be friendly (one fewer sharp edge to cut yourself) to ignore input starting with (optional blank spaces) "/msg" from the chat.indieweb.org UI
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jamietanna[m] Jacky++
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Loqi Jacky has 14 karma in this channel over the last year (109 in all channels)
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[tantek] re: /msg see #indieweb
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aaronpk that wasn't from the web interface :)
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jbove Keep your backups in the cloud they said, they'll be safe they said... https://twitter.com/backblaze/status/1362110358077382660
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@backblaze UPDATE: Looks like we received a suspension warning yesterday, removed the offending URL within hours, and were nevertheless suspended this morning, though the URL was no longer reachable. We’re on the phone w/ registrar to restore service. (twitter.com/_/status/1362110358077382660)
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aaronpk yikes, but that's B2 storage, not their backup product
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aaronpk more like amazon getting their s3 domains taken down
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aaronpk still big yikes
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[tantek] aaronpk oops
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jbove regex replacing "backups" with "files" in my message.
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jbove This is speaking: https://twitter.com/urlscanio/status/1362132395428900865
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@urlscanio I should start collecting these in case http://urlscan.io ever has home-grown availability issues, then I can point to the dozens of high-profile outages happening each year (Slack, GitHub, AWS, Backblaze, Google) and confidently say "It happens to the best of us" 🙃 (twitter.com/_/status/1362132395428900865)
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[tantek] what is outage
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Loqi outage also known as down as in the opposite of "up" in the context of the indieweb, and refers to an interruption to a service or server, when it is not responding as it should, which could mean its DNS is not resolving, or the server is not responding, or it is responding with a particular error such as a 502 Bad Gateway https://indieweb.org/outage
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[tantek] ^ we are collecting them
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[tantek] and https://indieweb.org/downtime#Silo_Examples more specifically
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tantek.com edited /repost (+117) "typically someone else’s" (view diff)
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www.katherinefrazer.com created /Muze (+470) "No-code tools, WYSIWYG website builder" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Removed that /msg line if someone can approve https://github.com/indieweb/indieweb-chat-archive/pull/36
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Loqi [gRegorLove] #36 Remove /msg line