#meta 2021-02-18

2021-02-18 UTC
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@BobbyTechHaus https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/1362212487886635013)
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GWG Awaiting companions in the HWC
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[schmarty] Thanks for keeping the lights on GWG! I can't make it tonight unfortunately!
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GWG [schmarty]: We miss you
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Loqi [Event Updated] david.shanske.com updated "Feb 24, 2021 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club - The Americas" changed description https://events.indieweb.org/event/215/history/743/diff
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@mor10 ↩️ The open source / indieweb communities COULD have banded together to build a thriving open ecosystem to compete with the big corporations. Instead we chose to build our own little fiefdoms, and incorporated FB features whenever possible. (twitter.com/_/status/1362257266053763075)
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[tantek] huh? who "we"?
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GWG [tantek]: I assume we the corporations
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[tantek] I don't think you get to say "we chose to build" when you don't even link to your personal website (or other non-twitter/bigco profile) from your Twitter profile
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[tantek] GWG, no it's the classic arrogant presuming to speak for the "collective we"
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GWG Oh.
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[tantek] I don't think it's worth the time even responding to ranters like that on Twitter
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[tantek] despite many criticisms in the thread being valid
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[tw2113_Slack_] coincidentally Casey is a former coworker of mine for a time
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[chrisaldrich] tweetstorm << https://typefully.app/, a Twitter editor/client primarily intended for composing and posting tweetstorms to {{Twitter]. Also includes the ability to create multiple drafts, schedule tweetstorms for later, and importing content.
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Loqi ok, I added "https://typefully.app/, a Twitter editor/client primarily intended for composing and posting tweetstorms to {{Twitter]. Also includes the ability to create multiple drafts, schedule tweetstorms for later, and importing content." to the "See Also" section of /tweetstorm https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=74641&oldid=74210
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@andrewtj ↩️ It does today because the implicit step one of most open-source/IndieWeb projects is to become a sysadmin/webdev. Open protocols and standards can address that, if it's acknowledged. (twitter.com/_/status/1362320793946845184)
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@matdryhurst ↩️ agree I like a lot of Fediverse projects and have followed since indieweb days. No real critique other than that in the time intervening, one approach has turned into a dynamically prominent economic powerhouse, and the other doesn't appear to have grown significantly (twitter.com/_/status/1362356705020030979)
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www.lewiscowles.co.uk edited /Category:jargon (+47) "fix reddit link and style added link" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /Micropub-extensions (+655) "/* Draft Scope */" (view diff)
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@ohhelloana I meant to share this page before - but as someone who is going through a "life happens" thing, I forgot and time continues to go by. Personally, I really appreciate this page in the IndieWeb wiki https://indieweb.org/life_happens Anyway, "life happens" and I hope you're all okay ❤️ (twitter.com/_/status/1362393194772762624)
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@barryf I really like the Life Happens page in the IndieWeb wiki that Ana highlights. Such a great message to acknowledge that other things happen in people’s lives that can prevent them participating in a community. https://twitter.com/ohhelloana/status/1362393194772762624 (twitter.com/_/status/1362458632705740800)
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[tantek] I suppose I should blog about that. Ironically, a bit of "life happens" stuff is going on which has prevented it
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@matdryhurst ↩️ I know you as one of the few I know who battled valiantly through the indieweb/fediverse period, so I'm willing to stick my neck out here and say give this ecosystem a chance, as there is a lot left to build and it's not so easily quantified :) (twitter.com/_/status/1362459639573536773)
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jacky well one thing that isn't wrong is that we don't have a "open reprieve" for those looking to migrate away from things like Facebook/Twitter etc
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jacky it does require either some kind of money or a bit of know how (like there's no out of the box solution or "just enter your e-mail here")
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jacky like micro.blog is the closest
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[Murray] I keep looping round in my head wondering about Netlify's one-click deploy buttons for something like. Hosting is free (to a point), subdomain is free (and now configurable). Not really had the time to look into it deeply though, and probably still too technical (GitHub required? not sure...)
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[Murray] *like that
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jacky GitHub _wants_ to move away from the label of being "too technical" (for some reason
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jacky But frankly, I think what I want to do is some sort of hosting similar to micro.blog but charge based on how much space and traffic one uses
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jacky it's more predictable and sane and imo honest
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[Murray] Fair 🙂 Could definitely work, though it's still ultimately competing with "free"
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jacky that's fine
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jacky I'd pay for something if I can if it's plain on the can
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jacky versus the magic layer of a SaaS
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jacky and tbh if I could figure out how to keep data synced with an external provider (like Dropbox or something) then I could just waive that fee and charge a baseline one
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[Murray] :thumbsup:
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jacky what is storage
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Loqi storage in the context of the indieweb usually refers to how you are storing your data, specifically in what kind of storage format(s) https://indieweb.org/storage
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[schmarty] it was always annoying to me to see folks lump IndieWeb in with "fediverse" as if they are the same and it is even more annoying now that blowback about abuse and moderation in Mastodon-style federation is also blowing back on IndieWeb 😛
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[tw2113_Slack_] an issue the size of a mastodon
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[KevinMarks] Well, it's a continuum. I was glad we could get mastodon to adopt some of our standards, even though it dropped some others
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[schmarty] KevinMarks: good point that there definitely has been some overlap.
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jacky another potentially lingering page? https://indieweb.org/indieauth-for-login
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jacky looks like it's mainly historical/reference now
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jacky yeah for sure re: overlap
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[tantek] [schmarty] I think we do still have plenty of work to do in IndieWeb on abuse & moderation (and designing respectful responses defaults instead) so I'm ok with some additional attention on that
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[tantek] perhaps I haven't seen the "blowing back on IndieWeb" that you have
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[schmarty] i think i'm just responding to that "the IndieWeb had the chance to xyz but ..." tweet discussed earlier.
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[schmarty] i felt it was putting the blame for fediverse design and management issues on indieweb contributors specifically
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[tantek] ahhhh. well tbh I think we've not suffered the level of "attacks" or "problems" as the Fediverse because we haven't "scaled" to a similar number of "users" Webmentioning each other.
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[tantek] if there are lessons we can learn by watching what is happening (and has happened) to the "fediverse", we should
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@jackysee IndieWeb Link Sharing | Max Böck https://mxb.dev/blog/indieweb-link-sharing/ (twitter.com/_/status/1362541997039493124)