#meta 2021-04-03
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[chrisaldrich] The first rule of /snitch_tagging: Loqi loves snitch tagging those who talk about snitch tagging on Twitter.
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@RubygemsN indieweb-authorship (0.2.2): Identify the author of an IndieWeb post using the Authorship algorithm https://rubygems.org/gems/indieweb-authorship (twitter.com/_/status/1378415360509022210)
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# [chrisaldrich] What is journalism?
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Loqi Indieweb for Journalism is the application of Indieweb principles to one's personal site with a particular emphasis on use cases for journalists, photographers, editors, related bloggers and platforms which are publishing their work https://indieweb.org/journalism
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@PinoBatch ↩️ As for 2.: One can try to attract new viewers of a private platform through the big silo platforms by following the #indieweb "POSSE" protocol.
1. Publish on one's Own Site
2. Syndicate Elsewhere
https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/1378431496927768577)
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# Loqi A Commonplace book (or commonplaces) are a way to compile and store knowledge, usually by writing information into books, notebooks, card catalogs, or in more modern settings on one's own website https://indieweb.org/digital_garden
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[tantek] Context: I skimmed https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/09/03/1007716/digital-gardens-let-you-cultivate-your-own-little-bit-of-the-internet/ (h/t jacky) and while related, it feels quite different (both in substance and audience/community) than "Commonplace book"
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tantek.com moved /2020/Pop-ups/GardenAndStream to /2020/Pop-ups/Garden-And-Stream "because when you search in this site for "Garden", such WikiWords don't show up in "page title results". WikiWords--"
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# tantek.com edited /discuss (+165) "/* Chat Channels Purposes */ shorten headings to channel short names, ID frag permalinks for previous headings" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /start_a_page (+672) "Naming, discourage WikiWords with why & example" (view diff)
# Loqi ok, I added "https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/09/03/1007716/digital-gardens-let-you-cultivate-your-own-little-bit-of-the-internet/" to the "See Also" section of /commonplace_book https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=75173&oldid=75096
# Loqi ok, I added "https://hapgood.us/2015/10/17/the-garden-and-the-stream-a-technopastoral/" to the "See Also" section of /commonplace_book https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=75174&oldid=75173
# [tantek] digital garden << https://twitter.com/Mappletons/status/1250532315459194880
# Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/Mappletons/status/1250532315459194880" to the "See Also" section of /commonplace_book https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=75175&oldid=75174
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# tantek.com edited /commonplace_book (+787) "should this page be split? separating digital garden" (view diff)
# [tantek] !tell [chrisaldrich] for your consideration: https://indieweb.org/commonplace_book#Split_page_question (and anyone else who participated in The Garden And The Stream, e.g. GWG sknebel sebsel [hibs] zegnat [jgmac1106])
# [chrisaldrich] Indieweb for Journalism << https://authory.com/, a tool targeted at journalists that appears to be a [[silo]]-based app for backing up/[[archival copy|archiving]] articles on the web as well as providing [[analytics]], [[newsletter]]/email functionalities, and other options.
# Loqi ok, I added "https://authory.com/, a tool targeted at journalists that appears to be a [[silo]]-based app for backing up/[[archival copy|archiving]] articles on the web as well as providing [[analytics]], [[newsletter]]/email functionalities, and other options." to the "See Also" section of /Indieweb_for_Journalism https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=75178&oldid=67989
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# [chrisaldrich] on the topic of commonplace book vs. digital garden, the only difference I've seen in the space is solely a marketing based one. Those using the phrase digital garden didn't have or know the idea of commonplace book to latch onto, so they made up a nice metaphor to give their thing a name. This is somewhat similar to the idea of the German word zettelkasten (literally translates as card file).
# [chrisaldrich] The actual use case in practice is all the same and something that goes back centuries whether written in a book or done online.
# [chrisaldrich] This also applies similarly with some who also use the idea of "memex" which stems from the As We May Think article by V. Bush in 1945. Regardless of what you call it, you're doing the same thing.
# [chrisaldrich] The other catch phrase that's sometimes used is the PKM or personal knowledge management system/idea.
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# [chrisaldrich] If you go back even further in the literature, you'll also see the word "florilegium" which has the connotation of collection of flowers or flower bouquet, and which has morphed over time to mean "a collection of literary extracts; an anthology".
# [chrisaldrich] My general advice is to choose your favorite marketing term, make your site, and have fun.
# [chrisaldrich] tantek++ for adding those links to the page, I thought they were already there (or possibly on the Gardens & Streams session)
# [chrisaldrich] I have that same feeling as well, but I've yet to see any really serious evolution of what they're doing beyond putting their commonplace books online. Few, if any, of the examples I have seen have even adopted Webmention or cross collaboration, which in my mind is what might really change the space significantly.
# [tantek] Wikipedia has separate articles for memex and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonplace_book (no article for "digital garden" though)
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# [chrisaldrich] I've been collecting some evidence from the archaeology/anthropology space of this being a pattern in societies that weren't literate at all and collected these sorts of things only in their collective cultural memory. In that space, the best word I've seen used to describe it (at least in English) is: Songline, which I think is rather beautiful.
# [chrisaldrich] There are much broader communities around the commonplace book (tens/hundreds of thousands) versus digital gardens (dozens/hundreds).
# [chrisaldrich] Personally I view the connotation for the positivity of having a communal commonplace for people portion over book part and the idea of "dead trees". While I like the garden portion of digital garden, the digital part is less warming and has a bloodless feel to me. Maybe we should push for the commonplace garden as the new name? 🙂
# [chrisaldrich] For me a lot of the underlying value of these spaces (and their actual values) can be lost in the weeds of focusing too much on "productivity" (bringing back connections to corporations or sharecropping for Facebook and the surveillance capitalists) or at the other end of being too cutesy/flowery and tending to what some call #ProductivityPorn.
# [chrisaldrich] amen
# [chrisaldrich] I think I could get behind the idea of digital garden more if there were more public facing examples of people doing it and evidence of them actually tending to them. Many I've seen seem stagnant.
# [chrisaldrich] Incidentally the IndieWeb chat and Wiki is one of the best tended versions of a stream and a reasonably well tended garden that I've come across. IndieWeb++
# [chrisaldrich] Another fun phrase I've seen them called (in Italian): _Zibaldone di pensieri_ (roughly translating as hodgepodge collection of thoughts).
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[KevinMarks] Word hoard
# [KevinMarks] Commonplace book was a bit self deprecating
# [chrisaldrich] Wasn't wordhoard an Old English compound word meaning brain? 😉
# [KevinMarks] Com′mon-placeˊ, _adjective_ Common; ordinary; trite; as, a _commonplace_ person, or observation. Com′mon-placeˊ, _noun_ *1.* An idea or expression wanting originality or interest; a trite or customary remark; a platitude. *2.* A memorandum; something to be frequently consulted or referred to.
# [KevinMarks] *Commonplace book*, a book in which records are made of things to be remembered.Com′mon-placeˊ, _transitive verb_ To enter in a commonplace book, or to reduce to general heads. Felton.Com′mon-placeˊ, _intransitive verb_ To utter commonplaces; to indulge in platitudes. _[Obs.]_ Bacon.
# [KevinMarks] Whatever, in my reading, occurs concerning this our fellow creature, I do never fail to set it down by way of _commonplace_. _Swift._
# [KevinMarks] BTW this is fascinating https://jsomers.net/blog/dictionary
# [KevinMarks] on dictionary design (which maps into what we're doing withe the wiki and loqi)
# [KevinMarks] if you want Webster on your mac, this is the place https://github.com/ponychicken/WebsterParser/releases
# [chrisaldrich] guessing it's on the idea of prescriptive versus descriptive definitions?
# [chrisaldrich] goes to read...
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@rathermercurial Is #indieweb still active?.. Seems it could use a renaissance on #Web3. (twitter.com/_/status/1378475733845114882)
# [chrisaldrich] [KevinMarks] one of my favorite word sources is https://hypothes.is/search?q=tag%3Awordnik (and the affiliated feed) where one can find lots of fascinating words used in context...
# [chrisaldrich] what aaron really meant: https://media.tenor.com/images/4a51935732d714d24e025ede5b997467/tenor.gif
# [KevinMarks] Wordnik is great
# [chrisaldrich] Thanks for that article Kevin. In addition to the older versions of Noah Webster, the original versions of Samuel Johnson have a similar flavor.