#meta 2021-09-23

2021-09-23 UTC
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astrid.tech edited /QR_codes (+620) "/* Criticism */" (view diff)
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GWG Setting up for tonight
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GWG I miss one week of HWC and lively conversation and no one is around?
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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Loqi misses one week of HWC and lively conversation and no one is around too
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GWG I want Loqi to show up to an HWC somehow
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sayanarijit[d] Where can I find the best documentation to implement a webmentions server?
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sayanarijit[d] Like bridgy
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aaronpk bridgy isn't really a webmention server
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/Webmention-developer#How_to_implement_receiving
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aaronpk this is a useful tool https://webmention.rocks/
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aaronpk also https://indieweb.org/Webmention-developer#Handling
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GWG aaronpk: Why is h-event not on the indieweb spec page?
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GWG Microsub is an editor's draft as well, but it is there
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aaronpk i never did finish writing up the complementary post to this one https://aaronparecki.com/2018/06/30/11/your-first-webmention
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aaronpk probably because nobody thought to add it
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Sending your First Webmention from Scratch
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[tantek] GWG I see you have spec questions, perhaps I should join HWC to chat 🙂
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[tantek] when is HWC?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/hwc
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[tantek] when is HWC Americas?
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Loqi what
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[tantek] gives Loqi a disappointed look
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Loqi gives back the disappointed look
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Sep 22, 2021 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club - The Americas" changed end_time "to sneak the Zoom" https://events.indieweb.org/event/291/history/908/diff
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/spec.indieweb.org/pull/11
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/spec.indieweb.org to https://spec.indieweb.org
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Loqi [New Event] david.shanske.com created "Sep 29, 2021 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club - The Americas" https://events.indieweb.org/rznJqoznYNQH
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+176) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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Loqi [New Event] www.jvt.me created "Sep 29, 2021 5:30pm Homebrew Website Club: Nottingham" https://events.indieweb.org/A5TZK5NGmPys
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Loqi [Event Updated] www.jvt.me updated "Sep 29, 2021 5:30pm Homebrew Website Club: Nottingham" changed description https://events.indieweb.org/event/295/history/911/diff
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Loqi [New Event] calumryan.com created "Sep 29, 2021 7:00pm Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" https://events.indieweb.org/ktjmUZC48G2M
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calumryan.com edited /Planning (+86) "/* Dusseldorf */" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+173) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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sebastiangreger.net edited /obtaining-an-access-token (+209) "Content appears out of sync with current IndieAuth spec" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-186) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /Template:next-hwc (+0) "update next date from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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@LeviNunnink ↩ī¸ ❤ī¸ this little detail... (twitter.com/_/status/1441028039341748230)
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tantek.com edited /Category:jargon (+124) "dropping likely false positives: aggregate(s), rename manifest to web manifest, add Semantic Web, SemWeb, web2 & web3 variants" (view diff)
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[tantek] ^ review?
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capjamesg[d] I agree with these changes.
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aaronpk i'm on the fence about "web 2.0" and "web 3.0" but we can see how it goes
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[tantek] yeah, web 3.0 has so far been *only* defined in terms of plumbing, whether SemWeb or "decentralization" or blockchain so that seemed like a good signal that someone was thinking like a dev rather than like a user
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[tantek] I included Web 2.0 because it's largely a historical term at this point, and not really relevant to user-centric discussions (happy to be proven wrong on this)
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loqi.me created /Web_3.0 (+458) "prompted by [tantek] and dfn added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Web_3.0 (-16) "finish dfn, edit it down a bit" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /web3 (+20) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /web_3 (+20) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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[tantek] what is web 3.0?
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Loqi Web 3.0 is a phrase used to pitch visionary sequels to the popularity of "Web 2.0" to advocate for particular plumbing solutions looking for problems, starting with the "Semantic Web" in the late 2000s, decentralization in the 2010s, and now mostly blockchains & cryptocurrencies; the IndieWeb instead focuses directly on user-centric goals, with technologies only as a means https://indieweb.org/Web_3.0
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[tantek] ^ criticism, dissenting opinions welcome. started as a snarkinition but shifted to a factual description
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loqi.me edited /Web_3.0 (+57) "[tantek] added "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_3.0" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Web_3.0 (+440) "add some references" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Web_3.0 (+110) "/* Web 3.0 as Semantic Web */" (view diff)
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[tantek] that'll be a good dfn for this week's newsletter
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[tantek] as someone who's had more overlap in some of those areas, I'd like [benatwork]’s opinion on that dfn
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tantek.com edited /Web_3.0 (+63) "nyt article with timbl and web3" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Web_3.0 (+16) "see also principles, always good to give people a positive exit" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Web_3.0 (+36) "link web2 to wikipedia" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /Semantic_Web (+17) "until someone bothers to split the RDF article and make a meaningful (semantic) distinction between the two" (view diff)
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[benatwork] I'll take a look
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[tantek] also kinda curious how often you [benatwork] have encountered the phrase "Web 3.0" in other contexts, and what people meant/assumed in those contexts
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[tantek] snarfed, is there a way to lookup in IndieMap what the frequency (occurence/%) of various feed formats are among the *sites* crawled? E.g. which have home page feed discovery links to RSS2, Atom, JSONFeed, and "h-feed" on the home page?
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[tantek] GWG, is there a tradition for who (organizer?) archives the HWC etherpads? E.g. https://etherpad.indieweb.org/hwc-2021-09-22 from last night
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GWG [tantek]: We should bring that up at the next meeting.