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[tantek] Did we talk about having these kinds of bands for the next IWC? https://www.instagram.com/p/CUbNrNmD77c/
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GWG [tantek]: Not that I recall
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GWG But Germany is only at 64.4% vaccinated, so doesn't meet the criteria laid out
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GWG Looking...how about we try Ireland? 74% vaccinated?
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GWG Or Portugal. 84.3%?
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[tantek] Germany is at varying levels (though not as varying as the U.S. with our "Red Covid" problem). Need to check per city.
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aaronparecki.com edited /holiday_theme (+327) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /holiday (+27) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /seasonal (+27) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /holiday_theme (+8) "more emojicons, not just xmas" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /🎃 (+27) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /🎄 (-13) "better redirect" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /holiday_theme (+167) "see also IndieWeb gift calendar" (view diff)
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GWG [tantek]: I can't find by city, only by German state
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GWG Dusseldord is North Rhine-Westphalia, at 70.8%
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GWG Although that is the highest percentage in the country
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[tantek] GWG, I found https://impfdashboard.de/en/
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GWG That is a little higher
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GWG I still don't see Dusseldorf
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GWG Either way, we have other challenges.
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GWG In the meantime, maybe I'll go focus on another problem
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[tantek] also there's over a month between now and the proposed date. I'm optimistic with current trends that it'll be close enough to 80%, and considering the demographic of folks attending (which has other issues, don't get me wrong), there's a high likelihood of much higher than 80% vaxed folks in actual attendance. Wouldn't surprise me if it was like 99% in practice.
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GWG [tantek]: Any news on a venue?
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[tantek] E.g. social circles here in SF are like 99% for me, even though the city as a whole is "only" 82%
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[tantek] no news on a venue, Marc is still working on it
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GWG [tantek]: Do you have a site for a breakdown of California?
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[tantek] that's been in the papers a lot recently, let me see if I can find something, though as that's not really applicable to an upcoming IWC, I'll take it to #indieweb-chat
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[tantek] GWG, I did find this which has % vaxed numbers across states: https://247wallst.com/state/some-states-are-vaccinating-for-covid-faster-than-others-heres-how-california-stacks-up-53/
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[tantek] GWG, here is a map of California counties case levels that makes it pretty clear that the Bay Area is the safest place to be in the whole state: https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/Maps-show-Bay-Area-counties-among-few-in-U-S-at-16497458.php
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[tantek] or across many nearby states. Not sure how Portland compares, it's off the top of that map.
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[tantek] hmm actually the blue spots are safer
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[tantek] here's the original data source: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#county-view
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[tantek] that's a horribly misleading preview graphic
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[chrisaldrich] holiday theme << 2017-10-27 {{chrisaldrich}} [https://boffosocko.com/2017/10/27/halloween-flavored-names-on-twitter/ Halloween flavored names on Twitter]
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Loqi ok, I added "2017-10-27 {{chrisaldrich}} [https://boffosocko.com/2017/10/27/halloween-flavored-names-on-twitter/ Halloween flavored names on Twitter]" to the "See Also" section of /holiday_theme https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=77179&oldid=77178
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[tantek] GWG, another chart of vaccination %s in California counties. Interesting that Marin is at the top: https://missionlocal.org/covid-tracker/
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[chrisaldrich] Uploading the photo for gardens and streams that we caught only at the very end... wish had remembered to do it after the intro session....
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[tantek] aaronpk, the IndieNews section seems to be missing article names from Tracy's website, which show up fine when parsed with pin13 for mf2
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[tantek] e.g. https://tracydurnell.com/2021/09/26/getting-more-women-involved-in-the-indieweb/
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[tantek] rather it says "a post" instead of the actual article name
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[chrisaldrich] I think it's because it's pulling data from IndieNews which got the bookmark from my site. Somehow IndieNews doesn't pull the original title from within my bookmark.
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[chrisaldrich] I think this issue covers it: https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieNews/issues/48
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Loqi [gRegorLove] #48 Fix bookmarks with commentary
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[tantek] ok let's go to #indieweb-dev to debug this
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loqi.me edited /finsta (+422) "[tantek] added "2021-09-30 NYTimes: [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/30/style/finsta-instagram-accounts-senate.html ‘Finsta,’ Explained] / What is it, really? And can one commit to ending it? <blockquote>“Finsta,” a slang term, is widely accept..." (view diff)
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@librenauta Oh menos cadenas de bloques, más #IndieWeb :0 (twitter.com/_/status/1443822522814902295)
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capjamesg[d] I like the idea of dividing by audience. What demographics would you suggest petermolnar?
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petermolnar I completely agree that "Why have your own website" and "Why Indie Web" are too washed together, and I'd like to propose of splitting them. "Why have your own website" != "Why Indie Web" - a website can be one's hub/home/portfolio without any indieweb building blocks.
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petermolnar (copy-paste with extras from -wordpress, where accidentally added these):
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petermolnar Looking at today's image/video centric feeds, that page also needs graphic examples for many points: eg. a collage of very different looking personal sites under the design/self-expression points that in high contrast with a social network profile.
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petermolnar Also, things like "Identity and recognition", second sentence of "Better UI and UX", etc are essentially the same.
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petermolnar Maybe we could compose an alternative to /why, which separates website/indieweb, and on the next level (h3 to be specific) separates the bullet points/reasonings per audience? And by audience I mean more of what might be driving one, like urge of self-expression, a design challenge, wanting to learn, etc.
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petermolnar "audience" is not the perfect word to be honest: movitation might be closer
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petermolnar in 1999 my motivation was generic curiosity, then it became technical curiosity, and I've learnt so many things through having a web presence. Today it's more about wanting to have something I control and that actually looks the way I more or less want my site to look.
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petermolnar but there must be so many more movitations; I'm just hoping we could group them in a reasonable manner, and have the headings based on that.
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petermolnar (any technical/copywriter around?)
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capjamesg[d] Somewhat fortuitously, I have done technical writing in the past. I can take a crack at a new page over the weekend.
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jamesg.blog created /why_brainstorming (+2046) "Created page with "{{stub}} <span class="p-summary">'''<dfn>Why Brainstorming</dfn>''' is a page where we can brainstorm ideas for what content we should include on our /why page, a page of sig..."" (view diff)
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capjamesg[d] petermolnar I have just got us started ^ I'll revisit at the weekend.
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jamesg.blog edited /why_brainstorming (+496) "/* Why should you have your own website? */" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /why_brainstorming (+113) "/* Why you should join the IndieWeb Community */" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /why_brainstorming (+18) "/* Why you should join the IndieWeb Community */" (view diff)
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@voxpelli ↩️ Here's some additional steps you can do to get some more capabilities into it, like eg. Webmention support: https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started#IndieWeb_self-starters (Unfortunately my webmention endpoint is a bit at capacity right now, else I would offer you that one https://webmention.herokuapp.com/) (twitter.com/_/status/1443902494615261185)
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[KevinMarks]1 I'd like to push back a little bit on this distinction -if you have your own website that is IndieWeb, so it's "why have your own site?" and "what extra features can indieweb help with?"
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[KevinMarks]1 The indiewebify.me site is a good example of this, though may need some updating
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capjamesg[d] I like that [KevinMarks
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[KevinMarks]1 IndieMark is a less good attempt, as it feels competitive and cliquey, though I'm sure it will appeal to some people
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capjamesg[d] At the moment I don't think that's clear on the /why page. We don't make a clear statement that says having any sort of site that you own makes you a part of the community.
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capjamesg[d] We make connections but we're not clear, especially to those who are not part of the community.
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capjamesg[d] "what extra features can indieweb help with?" is a great phrase.
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[KevinMarks]1 maybe refactor indiewebify.me for specific goals rather than a single progression?
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capjamesg[d] I think the intent for indiewebify.me is different. That site appears to be more focused on actual IndieWeb goals which feels like a stage after you have decided that you actually want a site.
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[KevinMarks]1 it's the "what extra features can indieweb help with?" but a bit more linear
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[tantek] capjamesg[d], "makes you a part of the community" is not the point of the /why page
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[tantek] more broadly speaking, we don't need every intro page to try to be everything about someone just showing up
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[tantek] I'd agree with KevinMarks that having your own website is some degree of IndieWeb
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[tantek] Yes the /why page can definitely use some rethinking/reorganizing and then rewriting, as it has grown organically over the years
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[tantek] however it shouldn't attempt to be a redo of the home page or /Getting_Started
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capjamesg[d] [tantek] I think getting started implies a certain level of intent. Before someone gets started they need a reason to get started.
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capjamesg[d] I don’t think “why” is “getting started”.
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capjamesg[d] Getting started is actionable; why is food for thought and a way to help you evaluate if you want a site.
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capjamesg[d] I agree on your points about showing up.
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Loqi Countdown set by aaronpk on 2021-09-30 at 1:39pm PDT
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Loqi remind aaronpk to remove the hardcoded DNS entries for slack
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aaronpk haha thanks loqi
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[KevinMarks]1 Can you fix Tracy's post title?
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aaronpk too late