#aaronpkonce you're in the "revision history" section https://events.indieweb.org/event/285/history you're looking at snapshots. but that's also why those URLs are all `/event/X/...` rather than the URLs with the event dates and slug
#aaronpkit's the "admin UI" part of the URL design
#[tantek]get flashbacks of incrementing the event "ID" in upcoming just to find random events elsewhere π
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#capjamesg[d]tracydurnell++ for the excellent diagram.
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#capjamesg[d]I had no idea that there was a revision history on the events page.
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#@jodsclassIt's kinda sad that the FB outage didn't last longer. It is a good way to encourage people to go down the @indiewebcamp route and self-host again. My last serious outage of websites/email/dns/hosted content was around 4 years ago & only for 3 mins for a reboot. (twitter.com/_/status/1445307415348588546)
#[tantek]tracydurnell++ again for the beautiful Create Day image! Great timing too, just in time for this early morning's monthly Redecentralize Digest which links to the Create Day event! https://redecentralize.org/redigest/2021/09/
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#capjamesg[d]I just read your article. You raised many interesting questions.
#capjamesg[d]This is definitely something I have been thinking about because the discussions we have would benefit from as many diverse perspectives as possible.
#capjamesg[d]Everyone has different ways of thinking about things like social media, website design, standards implementations, etc. so the more people we can get involved across the board, the better.
#capjamesg[d]I'd love to see something like the Apprentice system for HWC where we invite all attendees to bring someone along who might be interested in a site (if they know anyone) and have a discussion about the basics of setting up a site.
#capjamesg[d]I don't have a solution to the issue but would love to brainstorm on what we can do better to reach out to more people / make sure we resonate with as diverse an audience as we can.
#[tantek]capjamesg[d] interestingly enough, IndieWebCamp *started* with an apprentice system, deliberately, so as to give folks without a site a way to participate, with someone who would be responsible for guiding them
#LoqiAn apprentice, in the context of the indieweb, is an IndieWebCamp participant who has not yet setup a personal domain with IndieAuth, but is passionate about owning their identity & data on the web and dedicated to doing so, with the help of a creator https://indieweb.org/apprentice
#capjamesg[d][tantek] I learned about Apprentices from a talk of yours...
#[tantek]and, tbh, it *did* very much make a difference in the diversity of the first few IndieWebCamps
#capjamesg[d]I'd need to rack my brains about someone to invite but I'm sure I could find someone willing to join to chat about websites.
#capjamesg[d]I'd love to get people's perspectives on their exact issues with social media and introduce them to things they can do to take control over their data.
#[tantek]and the key there is looking for people on the edges of your existing social networks, rather than centers
#capjamesg[d]I'll not be able to do this at next week's Europe HWC sadly as I am going on holiday (yay!). But I'll keep this in mind for the next one I attend.
#sknebelhm, surprisingly little naming collision. Just the "Genome Writers Guild" seems to have used GWGCon to shorten their conference name occasionally
#[tantek]Genome Writers Guild sounds very Gattaca dystopian
#tracydurnell[d]capjamesg[d]: interesting idea! Haha I just invited a (male π€·ββοΈ) friend to come to Create Day because he mentioned he's got a website idea he wants to start, but he hasn't responded yet π
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#tracydurnell[d]potentially we informally "poll" friends who we think might be in the tech savvy range to run their own website and find out what's holding them back
#tracydurnell[d]I have a bunch of friends who work at MS who seem to have no interest in having their own websites, which I find fascinating but also I haven't ever asked them about it π€
#[tantek]I'd almost take an emotional approach instead, who of our friends had the strongest emotional reactions yesterday, get them to act on it
#[tantek]emotion = motivation = likelihood of follow-through
#tracydurnell[d]my friends were most upset about WhatsApp (which I've been trying to talk them into abandoning for a while anyway π)
#GWGtracydurnell[d]: Would you like to volunteer at Create Day? I come across too serious at times and some people respond better to people who come across more casually
#tracydurnell[d]I proposed the idea of a non-website-related hangout to get to know other IndieWebbers outside of web opinions, and maybe attract a different crowd than usual
#aaronpki'd say post it as a separate event on events.indieweb.org!
#tracydurnell[d]framing it as something like a Craft Night, so like a create day but more casual?
#[tantek]totally makes sense! we used to do those on the Friday night before weekend IWCs!
#[tantek]aaronpk, need to do tweet it out long enough in advance to get people who care to actually add it to their calendar, but not too close to the event because that attracts opportunistic Twitter trolls & griefers
#aaronpkwhat's a good threshold you think? a week?
#tracydurnell[d]but I don't have to worry about trolls showing up to my recycling events π
#[tantek]really? not even the diehard consumption minimalists that believe all recycling is a scam? (I mean, plastic "recycling" kinda is)
#tracydurnell[d]mostly the people who get mad at us are people who want *more* recycling events π€·ββοΈ
#tracydurnell[d]the anti-recycling folks don't usually bother to call
#[tantek]that's good. I suppose the regenerative closed loop farming people have their own events π
#tracydurnell[d]as long as they're not complaining to me, I'm happy π
#[tantek]who was the person that showed up to a HWC SF with their own indieweb local hardware/software/server to manage their own in-home plant watering/monitoring?
#capjamesg[d]The kit I bought recommended one sensor per plant but I only have one plant.
#tracydurnell[d]interesting there's a good bit of variability in one pot!
#[tantek]I've had success with taking a house plant with small bugs (maybe aphids?) outside and leaving it on the back steps, and waiting for predator bugs to eat them and clean off the plant
#capjamesg[d]The bugs are really small. Almost hard to see. I could leave the plant outside.
#tracydurnell[d]what unit is moisture level measured in? is that like mL or grams of water? or some special moisture index?