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@ReimonChow ↩️ Ya ha habido otros proyectos de decentralización (por ejemplo indieweb). Web3 es el enésimo intento de solucionar algo con una tecnología que aunque siempre parece prometedora, no se hace imprescindible en ningún caso de uso. (twitter.com/_/status/1460039892935876610)
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[chrisbergr] I only have the slack wordpress confirmation mail. My email there: chrisbergr@chat.wordpress.org
# [chrisbergr] Don't know if that will help
# [chrisbergr] Although there is not so much distance between us...
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[tantek]1 pfefferle, did you see that the dates for Beyond Tellerand 2022 have been announced? Düsseldorf in May, Berlin in September, and Munich in November! Hopefully we can do IndieWebCamps before each one
# [tantek]1 are any of those close to you?
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@bodedotsh ↩️ Hey Gilly,
Hast du schonmal vom "Indieweb" gehört?
Ich war nicht am Leben für das "originale" Internet aber ich habe das Gefühl, dass das Indieweb auch für "Normalos" (und nicht nur IT-Geeks wie vermutlich mich) echt interessant als Lösung zu diesem Gefühl der "Entfremdung" wäre. (twitter.com/_/status/1460234724757184518)
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@jaffathecake ↩️ Right, but Web 2.0 (although the term was a bit of a joke to developers) was describing technologies solving actual problems. Web3 is vague hype.
Folks like https://indieweb.org/ share some of the web3 goals, but without the speculative crypto bro stuff. (twitter.com/_/status/1460261336169041920)
# [tantek]1 jakearchibald++
# [tantek]1 lol that top of thread tweet
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@RetroStrange What are your favorite independent media channels? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1460268269793943554)
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capjamesg[d] [tantek] the second response to jakearchibald’s comment was interesting.
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# capjamesg[d] I don’t see why open protocols is an argument that only applies to blockchain and not the web 😂
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@dougwlance @jaffathecake The future of the web should be built on open protocols that allow users to own their data. That's what web3 is about. (twitter.com/_/status/1460230905541316611)
# [tantek]1 capjamesg[d] indeed. It reminds me of the early/mid-2000s when the SemWeb crowd, similar to today's crypto crowd, would claim the only way to express semantics on the web was RDF
# [tantek]1 *some folks in the ... crowd*
# [tantek]1 (outspoken folks, in both instances)
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tantek.com edited /Web_3.0 (+619) "capture Jake's tweet's poster image at least as thumbnail for blockchain and crypto version of web3, process other See Alsos into specific Criticism subsections" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Web_3.0 (+425) "[tantek]1 added "Criticism: vaporware: https://twitter.com/eevee/status/1459910748147093507" to "See Also"" (view diff)
# loqi.me edited /Web_3.0 (+368) "[tantek]1 added "Criticism: inefficient: https://twitter.com/eevee/status/1459918242466578436" to "See Also"" (view diff)
# loqi.me edited /Web_3.0 (+338) "[tantek]1 added "Criticism: recreates power disparities with different owners: https://twitter.com/eevee/status/1459919436702367744" to "See Also"" (view diff)
# loqi.me edited /Web_3.0 (+452) "[tantek]1 added "Criticism: a few get rich, not solving real problems: https://twitter.com/eevee/status/1459920371046490115" to "See Also"" (view diff)
# capjamesg[d] [tantek]++
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[schmarty] oof i think that was the first time i noticed someone pushing web3 with the "own your data" phrasing and i felt, mentally, how they were twisting the word "own" and now i feel gross.
# [chrisbergr] [tantek] re "Hopefully we can do IndieWebCamps before each one" - do IWC's typically always take place on weekdays instead of weekends?
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# [tantek]1 No usually on weekends before. Easier to get sponsored space that way
# [chrisbergr] Ok, great 🙂
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aaronparecki.com edited /Web_3.0 (-158) "sort tweets into sections, clean up dupe see also sections" (view diff)
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@dustydean So do we just pretend like the #indieweb /#openweb movement never existed? Or is that a buzzkill? (twitter.com/_/status/1460321983392980995)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ I agree that it's a scale thing. We turned it off for http://indieweb.org for example, as we have http://chat.indieweb.org for discussion (we also have ways to do simple edits from the chat) (twitter.com/_/status/1460333191055749134)
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@joeld ↩️ You should try lurking in Indie Web chat for a few hours on an active day. They have a chat bot “Loqi” that anyone in the channel can use to marshal info in and out of their wiki: create stub pages, reference pages for common topics etc. https://chat.indieweb.org/2021-11-15#bottom (twitter.com/_/status/1460347742950146054)
# [tantek]1 oh boy 🙈
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[KevinMarks] VGR is stating the gardens and rivers thesis there
# [tantek]1 among other things