#meta 2021-12-14
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@ljquintanilla My contribution to this year's F# Advent Calendar. Thanks @sergey_tihon for organizing it.
Sending Webmentions with F#
#dotnet #fsharp #indieweb
https://www.luisquintanilla.me/posts/sending-webmentions-fsharp-fsadvent.html (twitter.com/_/status/1470579140625670144)
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aaronparecki.com edited /live_streaming (-189) "/* Resources */ keyframe.live no longer resolves" (view diff)
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@EssentialRandom ↩️ Not webrings, but @indiewebcamp has the tools you seek (twitter.com/_/status/1470592771119407115)
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gregorlove.com edited /webmention-implementation-guide (+379) "add Tutorials section, "Sending Webmentions with F#" article" (view diff)
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gRegor that implementation guide is kind of buried on the wiki. Maybe tutorials should go on /Webmention-developer?
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ Tagging @TomCritchlow & @ton_zylstra for their thoughts and maybe an update on any recent experimentation.
https://indieweb.org/personal_library#Decentralized_Goodreads_Experiments (twitter.com/_/status/1470626830772105217)
# @ChrisAldrich ↩️ It looks like yet-another-silo in the merry-go-round of social reading sites. I prefer #IndieWeb solutions like @gRegorLove's https://indiebookclub.biz/, an app/platform that posts your book reading data & updates to your own website. (twitter.com/_/status/1470626749734010880)
# @ChrisAldrich ↩️ Looks like it might also qualify for the #IndieWeb Gift Calendar too: https://indieweb.org/2021-12-indieweb-gift-calendar
(Got a Webmention from your post BTW. Congratulations!) (twitter.com/_/status/1470631846778073089)
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capjamesg[d] (I was changing a few of my sparklines, hence the +0)
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@haxor ↩️ How again was the IndieWeb approach not decentralized enough? Because it needs DNS? Does that imply that the current web isn't decentralized? (twitter.com/_/status/1470686258561048576)
# @haxor Congrats @schnarfed for the honorable mention! But I'm also disappointed by this: "Several people submitted well-thought out IndieWeb solutions... they didn’t meet the criteria for originality and decentralization for the contest" https://twitter.com/bluesky/status/1470534795092389892?t=WCbWb95cwZbTwwV8Kd3NhQ&s=19 (twitter.com/_/status/1470685098294972416)
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@kevweab Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere: https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/1470797093270736898)
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@Weegee ↩️ I'm always happy to use an #indieweb solution first. But a) I've no coding skill so I can't bank on bridging that gap if needed and b) I need a social reading site to do 2-3 disparate things I don't know if an #indieweb solution can handle. (twitter.com/_/status/1470801466478579713)
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@lindqvistus Jag bloggade lite om alternativ till "the corporate web" och #indieweb https://gustavlindqvist.se/2021/12/14/bortom-upptrampade-stigar/ (twitter.com/_/status/1470800973442740225)
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@arcalinea ↩️ To clarify, I don’t hate DNS; the winning solutions were more decentralized than the indieweb ones because their implementations did not require platform level support from sites like twitter. (twitter.com/_/status/1470818566987399169)
# capjamesg[d] I don't think any of the community protocols *require* platform-level support.
# capjamesg[d] Ah, I see.
# capjamesg[d] Keybase done that sort of thing, right?
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[schmarty] I guess there's no reason a Keybase-like approach to two-way rel=me verification would not worth for IndieWeb sites
# [schmarty] Add a couple of attributes like a url to the proof post on the silo and some discoverable pubkey to verify the signature
# capjamesg[d] I prefer the rel=me method too but I can see the appeal of Twitter.
# [schmarty] I agree the nonsense posting seems gross
# capjamesg[d] Because everyone will always have control over posting content, hopefully 😉
# [schmarty] Haha honestly Twitter could decide to undermine a system like this pretty easily!
# capjamesg[d] True 😦
# [schmarty] They already root around in content for stuff so technically this also "requires platform supports
# [schmarty] *support"
# [schmarty] I think a signed post verification can live beside and extend rel=me
# capjamesg[d] I agree.
# capjamesg[d] And there is precedent for this method working.
# capjamesg[d] (even if it is a tad inelegant)
# [schmarty] (Not sure it's worth implementing _solely_ to address criticism. If the relme detractors have a good use case, though, we could meet it)
# [schmarty] I am behind on reading the actual things. What's the deal with "until the prover chooses to reveal" in this context? Like a challenge that my site would answer when someone wants to prove that I control some Twitter account?
# [schmarty] Those seem like they'd be one-time use?
# [schmarty] RIP to anyone who gets notifications of your Twitter posts in that scheme 😂
# capjamesg[d] Can a single post suffice?
# capjamesg[d] With a value that can be somehow connected to your website?
# capjamesg[d] I don’t know a lot about the innards of encryption so I’m not best positioned to say if that will work.
# [schmarty] Probably more for -dev
# [schmarty] (But I think yes!)
# capjamesg[d] +1
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Loqi ok, I added "https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/developers-practitioners/find-anything-blazingly-fast-googles-vector-search-technology" to the "See Also" section of /search https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=78343&oldid=78056
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loqi.me created /paper_website (+149) "prompted by capjamesg[d] and dfn added by capjamesg[d]" (view diff)
# loqi.me edited /paper_website (+64) "capjamesg[d] added "https://daily.tinyprojects.dev/paper_website" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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@Johannes_Ernst "[#IndieWeb solutions] weren't as...decentralized as the winning submissions"...what? How is rel-me more centralized than anything else on https://blueskyweb.org/satellite ? I feel the word "decentralized" got a meaning in tech that diverges from its meaning in English. @bluesky @snarfed (twitter.com/_/status/1470850202365939714)
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tantek.com edited /commons (+179) "improve dfn a bit to include a few points from the descriptive list, note IndieAuth explicitly, Internet Archive is an example, linky linky" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] handwriting << In his early Twitter experience, Alton Brown primarily tweeted by handwriting or drawing on post it notes and posting the photos to Twitter. Example: https://twitter.com/altonbrown/status/282329664607883266
# Loqi ok, I added "In his early Twitter experience, Alton Brown primarily tweeted by handwriting or drawing on post it notes and posting the photos to Twitter. Example: https://twitter.com/altonbrown/status/282329664607883266" to the "See Also" section of /handwriting https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=78349&oldid=78296
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# [chrisaldrich] personal library << StoryGraph
# Loqi ok, I added "[[StoryGraph]]" to the "See Also" section of /personal_library https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=78350&oldid=78103
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# [chrisaldrich] handwriting << another example, but using a typewriter https://twitter.com/altonbrown/status/277928769270992896
# Loqi ok, I added "another example, but using a typewriter https://twitter.com/altonbrown/status/277928769270992896" to the "See Also" section of /handwriting https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=78351&oldid=78349
# Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/altonbrown/status/270712683135913985" to the "See Also" section of /handwriting https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=78352&oldid=78351
# [chrisaldrich] okay, there are so many good ones, but I'll stop here...
# capjamesg[d] Lots of wiki edits today!
# capjamesg[d] [chrisaldrich]++
# [chrisaldrich] maybe just one more...
# [chrisaldrich] handwriting << A [[thread]] of handwritten tweets using multiple post it notes https://twitter.com/altonbrown/status/255824201976532992
# Loqi ok, I added "A [[thread]] of handwritten tweets using multiple post it notes https://twitter.com/altonbrown/status/255824201976532992" to the "See Also" section of /handwriting https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=78353&oldid=78352
# [chrisaldrich] personal library << Literal.club
# Loqi ok, I added "Literal.club" to the "See Also" section of /personal_library https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=78354&oldid=78350
# [chrisaldrich] personal library << Litsy is an older platform that is mostly photo-based. BookSloth is another relatively new one.
# Loqi ok, I added "Litsy is an older platform that is mostly photo-based. BookSloth is another relatively new one." to the "See Also" section of /personal_library https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=78355&oldid=78354
# [chrisaldrich] capturing some of the ideas from #indieweb for future expansion
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binyamin[m] I want to add a how-to-markup section for https://indieweb.org/read . There are a bunch of suggestions there about markup. How should I go about submitting a recommended markup pattern?
# [chrisaldrich] personal library << [[Micro.blog]] has bookshelves https://micro.blog/account/bookshelves, search https://micro.blog/books/search, and other UI for this
# Loqi ok, I added "[[Micro.blog]] has bookshelves https://micro.blog/account/bookshelves, search https://micro.blog/books/search, and other UI for this" to the "See Also" section of /personal_library https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=78356&oldid=78355
# [chrisaldrich] personal library << [[BookWyrm]] https://bookwyrm.social/ is a social library platform that is part of the [[Fediverse]] using [[ActivityPub]]
# Loqi ok, I added "[[BookWyrm]] https://bookwyrm.social/ is a social library platform that is part of the [[Fediverse]] using [[ActivityPub]]" to the "See Also" section of /personal_library https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=78357&oldid=78356
# binyamin[m] personal library << https://oku.club/
# Loqi ok, I added "https://oku.club/" to the "See Also" section of /personal_library https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=78358&oldid=78357
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boffosocko.com edited /handwriting (+174) "Jeff Bridges examples of handwriting on website" (view diff)
# [chrisaldrich] great example gRegor++
# gRegor binyamin[m], I think that's still pretty experimental, so far it's mostly been in the brainstorming section on /read. Here's mine, though I should double check it's still current: https://indieweb.org/read#mark_up_and_post_a_read
# binyamin[m] gRegor: you have `p-x-read-status`, but indiebookclub.biz doesn't have the `x` ;)
# [chrisaldrich] I think everyone has been back and forth on `x`. I think the most recent thinking was not to use it as in practice it becomes standardized with the x and is never later removed...
# binyamin[m] It would be nice if the brainstorming was collated around the markup patterns. Right now, it's not easy to weed through all the text. Like a bulleted list with suggested markup for each particular need.
# binyamin[m] I can see gRegor's point that the microformats aren't in place yet.
# binyamin[m] For me, a big use-case would be the ability to distinguish it from notes and articles. I wouldn't want it showing up alongside my long-form writing.
# gRegor Quick example I just wrote up (before I saw your last comment): http://php.microformats.io/?id=20211214220159214
# gRegor Ah, so you're doing some /post-type-discovery based on the mf2. Interesting.
# binyamin[m] This is just theoretical.
# binyamin[m] But yeah, that would be the idea. Something like a firehose, which I plug into a reader. The reader could then filter the posts by type.
# [chrisaldrich] WordPress webmentions plugin is one of the few consumers of read posts that I know of.
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# gRegor Ah, Semantic Linkbacks? https://indieweb.org/read#Semantic_Linkbacks_WordPress_Plugin
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[snarfed] in the spirit of https://indieweb.org/post-type-discovery , you could distinguish read posts from notes/articles by the presence of a u-read-of or p-[x-]read-status
# [chrisaldrich] yes, that one gRegor... it's been a long day.
# binyamin[m] [snarfed]: That's how we got here. I was proposing that we collate the markup suggestions from "brainstorming" on https://indieweb.org/read.
# [chrisaldrich] Most sites I send /reads to default to interpret them as bookmarks.
# binyamin[m] to clarify: I'm not trying to standardize anything. Just clarify what people are already doing.
# tantek.com edited /read (+189) "/* Brainstorming */ link to possible generalizing: to any media, or to any task" (view diff)
# @EssentialRandom ↩️ There's more to decentralized solutions than the fediverse. IndieWeb also has some independent solutions that enter in the same space as Web3, and they've been working on them for a long time! But creating a collective identity goes beyond this. It requires active organizing. (twitter.com/_/status/1470888015073464321)
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[KevinMarks] “to clarify: I'm not trying to standardize anything. Just clarify what people are already doing.” that's usually how you get a useful standard eg html5
# [KevinMarks] I was thinking of the first phase where Ian and Markp and crew were analysing the behaviour of existing browsers to derive common properties
# tantek.com edited /acquisition (+427) "/* lifecycle of stuff */ gift or give vs donation" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /acquisition (+79) "/* lifecycle of stuff */ donation could be for direct use to e.g. books to a library" (view diff)
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