# 00:25 [tantek]1 that's great to hear, and worth mentioning on the NextJS page (capjamesg[d])
# 01:07 tracydurnell[d] Firefox puts the search bar in the right spot but has the stacking issue on the left
# 01:21 [tantek]1 that's going to take some CSS hackery
# 01:22 [tantek]1 tracydurnell[d], tbh "spruce up the readability of the wiki" is an evergreen task for every wiki I've seen
# 01:23 [tantek]1 even every non-trivial content site IMO
# 01:24 [tantek]1 re: mobile display issues, yeah that's a mess. do you have suggestions for how it should/could look? i.e. if you "only" moved things around / resized to "fit"
# 01:25 tracydurnell[d] I'd make the white part taller, put the discover and events to the right side by the logo, and have search underneath
# 01:25 [tantek]1 would be easier to "fix it" (in code) knowing what a "good" version would look like (like a mockup)
# 01:25 [tantek]1 yes that makes sense
# 01:26 [tantek]1 that "main page" button shouldn't even be showing (it doesn't on desktop)
# 01:27 [tantek]1 yeah that is super weird, it shows up on laptop if you narrow the window enough. there's no reason for that
# 01:30 tracydurnell[d] (while we're changing the top bar I'd also vote to add a link to an "about" kind of page or principles or something 😉)
# 01:33 [tantek]1 tracydurnell[d] both "about kind of page" and "principles" are in the sidebar already, along with a lot of other links that have been oft requested by folks as "commonly useful". Is there a specific subset of those that you think should be on the top bar?
# 01:36 tracydurnell[d] When I go to a new organization website I like to check out the about or mission page to get a sense of who they are and what they're about
# 01:39 tracydurnell[d] We were chatting a couple weeks back (?) about the getting started being mostly a how to
# 01:40 tracydurnell[d] But that some people may need an inbetween step from the homepage to "I'm in! What exactly do I do?"
# 01:43 Loqi tantek has 26 karma in this channel over the last year (84 in all channels)
# 01:45 [tantek]1 thanks yeah that was an obvious eyesore to fix
# 01:45 [tantek]1 MediaWiki markup is so bulky
# 01:49 [tantek]1 tracydurnell[d], "what they're about" is / should be already handled by the home page
# 01:49 [tantek]1 good point about "who they are"
# 01:49 [tantek]1 who is the indieweb
# 01:49 [tantek]1 what is an about page
# 01:52 [tantek]1 what is an about page
# 01:57 [tantek]1 tracydurnell[d], I don't think we have an "about" page that fits the description you mention and we could definitely use one that was more dedicated to the "who they are" part to better humanize the community to newcomers
# 01:58 [tantek]1 we have the content, lots of pix from HWC IWC etc.
# 01:58 [tantek]1 I think the challenge is that it needs to be recent / relevant
# 01:59 tracydurnell[d] When I first came across the wiki I recall wandering around a bit trying to figure out if this was like an "official" / verified thing and whether what I had counted
# 01:59 [tantek]1 those are two different questions!
# 01:59 [tantek]1 the first one seems on topic for an about page
# 02:00 [tantek]1 we also have the /founders page which has some content. we could mention that in a minor way on such an about page (but I don't want to make the "about" about the founders, if that makes sense)
# 02:01 [tantek]1 we also have the /organizers page which has some of the "who are the people that (currently) run this thing"
# 02:02 [tantek]1 I feel like we have 80-90% of the content that would make a good "about" page for IndieWeb, and that it's mostly a "design challenge" to come up with the specific subset of that content and a layout for it that communicates the sense of who is the community
# 02:02 tracydurnell[d] I agree with your point about making sure it's up to date so makes sense to link to those other pages rather than listing anyone specifically on the about page
# 02:03 [tantek]1 yes! and have you found examples of community sites with good "about" pages like that that we could draw inspiration from?
# 02:05 [tantek]1 we could even name it something like "who we are" to communicate more clearly that it's not just a generic "about" page but rather, can answer that question
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# 02:13 [tantek]1 who is the IndieWeb? We are community based on shared [[ principles]], people with personal websites using them to own our identity, content, and interactions with each other online, actively collaborating & helping each other in online [[ discuss]]ions & [ https://events.indieweb.org/ regular events], to both advance the state of the art, and provide onramps for people of all levels to join.
# 02:13 [tantek]1 what is who?
# 02:21 [tantek]1 ^ tracydurnell[d] is that enough of a starting point for you to work on a "proper" about page?
# 02:21 [tantek]1 please feel free to copy edit!
# 02:22 [tantek]1 I put the span p-summary thing around it so you can re-sentence it however it makes sense!
# 02:22 [tantek]1 what is who we are
# 02:23 [tantek]1 who << Goal: a page we can link to from the top bar (including the [[ Main_Page|home page]]) that newcomers would click to find out more about the people behind the site
# 02:23 [tantek]1 who << Possible link text for linking to this page: "who we are"
# 02:25 [tantek]1 who << Goal: answer questions or provide information that helps newcomers determine "if this is an official / verified thing" or how "official" vs informal is this
# 02:27 [tantek]1 who << Highlight regular & recent [[ organizers]] by name (& in-context photo if possible), e.g. from past 2-3 years of [[ HWC]] and [[ IWC]] events
# 02:28 [tantek]1 who << Highlight [[ organizers]] who recently/regularly help out in chat, especially with newcomers
# 02:29 [tantek]1 who << ^ then link to [[ chat-names]] for the comprehensive list of who participants who have chosen to add themselves to that list
# 02:29 [tantek]1 ^ tracydurnell[d] that's my braindump of "who" related content-sources for now, I’ll leave it to you to come up with some clever curation & layout 🙂
# 02:30 [tantek]1 I like this, our community is one of our biggest strengths and we've neglected to highlight it and put it right up front for newcomers to discover and feel welcomed
# 02:34 tracydurnell[d] totally! Might also help people feel more comfortable joining the chat if they can see it's real people 🙂
# 02:39 [tantek]1 100% agreed with that. the /chat-names page helps with that since it allows you to associate an icon with your chat name which then shows up in Slack and the chat archives
# 02:41 [tantek]1 except now I'm seeing that you're in /chat-names with an icon however it's not showing up in Slack! but your icon is showing up in the chat archives!
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# 02:41 [tantek]1 aaronpk ^ any idea why tracydurnell's /chat-names icon shows up in chat.indieweb.org/meta but not in Slack?
# 02:43 [tantek]1 also, any chance of supporting fuzzy matching on Slack handles with extra 1,2 after them similar to IRC handles with _ or __ after them? e.g. "[tantek]1"
# 02:43 [tantek]1 ^ in the chat archives in particular
# 02:47 tracydurnell[d] actually I was wondering why I have a picture and most people have cute cats 😂 maybe those are people using other platforms?
# 02:48 [tantek]1 And your icon shows up in the chat archives too! That's the real test :)
# 03:07 [tantek]1 tracydurnell[d] WDYT of some sort of map, maybe abstract not 1:1, as a way of presenting icons/thumbnails of the above noted “active” folks/organizers ?
# 03:14 tracydurnell[d] are you thinking a dynamic map, or an image that we create in photoshop and upload?
# 03:23 tracydurnell[d] (thinking somewhat comparable to "chapters" which are relatively common for big non-profit orgs)
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# 05:28 Loqi Who we are
Got Green organizes for environmental, racial, and economic justice as a South Seattle-based grassroots organization led by people of color and low income people. We cultivate multi-generation...
# 05:39 [tantek]1 thanks tracydurnell[d]! captured ^ 🙂
# 05:42 [tantek]1 and re: map, "image that we create in photoshop and upload" would be great, even if we only updated it once a year that would be fine
# 05:51 [tantek]1 and yes, "to show that people are from all over"
# 05:51 [tantek]1 more focused on the people than the specific "events", since locations for events didn't mean much the past two years
# 05:56 tracydurnell[d] I'd be happy to put something together - where should I find the current organizers to include?
# 06:01 [tantek]1 see that's the challenge, keeping such a list would quickly get out of date, and risks both fomo and hurt feelings from being dropped
# 06:01 [tantek]1 so it has to be dynamic based on actual events held that had other participants!
# 06:02 [tantek]1 which doesn't mean *actually* dynamic, but rather, once a year, looking back a year and seeing who actually ran an event and posted photos from it with other people
# 06:04 [tantek]1 also if you did come up with a design that looked modern / cellular like a hexagon map, I could write code to generate it
# 06:08 [tantek]1 though we'd need to come up with something for Europe
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# 08:37 [KevinMarks] If you want a zoomable dynamic map with markers on I can help make that with leaflet.js
# 08:50 [tantek]1 note the point about more abstract/coarse not 1:1
# 08:51 [tantek]1 the literal maps that display this sort of thing emphasize all the blank space, instead of the data
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