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@kevinmarks ↩️ Hi, original Technorati engineer here, which bit were you thinking of? The basic "who links to me?" is done by micropub in indieweb in a distributed way. James has been building out indieweb search recently https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb_Search (twitter.com/_/status/1472365489460551682)
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[tantek]1 yes, capjamesg[d]'s IndieWeb Search is the closest thing to a Technorati for the IndieWeb
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@mer_matthews ↩️ The opposite tendency of web3 might be the IndieWeb movement, a thing I believe is deeply important but has proven to largely be a failure. These two approaches largely want to solve the same problems, but in very different ways: decentralization versus syndication. (twitter.com/_/status/1472439226746740739)
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@mer_matthews ↩️ the same engagement potential of a bunch of motivated people bought into what is effectively a Ponzi scheme. IndieWeb costs 25 bucks a month. Web3 might make you a billionaire. You can't win against that. (twitter.com/_/status/1472440787086585859)
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@mer_matthews ↩️ Both approaches are older than you think and fundamentally not ready for prime time, and may never be. I do think IndieWeb has a better shot, because it's just built with internet while web3 requires an additional layer of tech to function, but IndieWeb doesn't have that (twitter.com/_/status/1472440376598450179)
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@EatPodcast ↩️ I’m not competent to judge everything you have said, but I do know that it certainly does not cost $25 a month to have a site that makes use of IndieWeb principles and building blocks. Do you have specific examples in mind? (twitter.com/_/status/1472472720050958341)
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@mer_matthews ↩️ The point is the same though: IndieWeb will cost a little bit of money one way or the other, and it won't claim to pay you. (twitter.com/_/status/1472478493384531970)
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petermolnar.net edited /why (+39) "added some internal links for better navigation; added another external link into why have your own" (view diff)
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@andrey_sitnik ↩️ Смотрел. Но как в других IndieWeb-решениях я там вижу решение только технических вопросов, но редко видно развития социальных систем. Соцсеть — это же ПО автоматизируещее соц. взаимодействия. Нельзя просто внедрить децентрализованный протокол. Надо и соц. задачу решить. (twitter.com/_/status/1472533275755307008)
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@andrey_sitnik ↩️ Большинство IndieWeb-решений — просто копия существующих соцсетей на другом тех. стеке. Но какой смысл переходить, если в соц. плане они не говорят ничего нового и соц. задачу не решают лучше централизованных сетей? (twitter.com/_/status/1472533540957003776)
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aaronpk That is such a flawed argument I can't even begin to engage
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aaronpk "indieweb won't pay you but web3 might" 😂😂😂
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[KevinMarks] The thread is a bit better, apart from the word "failure"
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aaronpk also how is there no cost to the web3 stuff?? as far as i can tell even trying to do the smallest thing costs a lot of money
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petermolnar what is snake oil salesman speech
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "snake oil salesman speech" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "snake oil salesman speech is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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petermolnar ^^^ this is how
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[jeremycherfas] So, no point continuing to engage?
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@EatPodcast ↩️ You can get turnkey Indieweb at http://micro.blog for $5 a month. The bigger question is, what has payment to do with it? Not everybody who publishes online is looking for payment. Maybe some dislike being sharecroppers for the silos… https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2021/mer_matthews-you-can-get-turnkey-indieweb-at (twitter.com/_/status/1472614563644329997)
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@fluffy ↩️ Anyway. As I've stated many times in the past (including recently), I do think there are useful uses of blockchains in general. I just really do not like the way that "web3" is developing around them. I'm much more interested in IndieWeb principles, personally. (twitter.com/_/status/1472654746292916227)
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@yesiwebto ↩️ Web Mentions/ ActivityPub - aside from this account I've mostly disappeared from social media the past 3 years. I believe in the indieweb, and I want to be the change I want to see, so I want to support these methods of independent publishing. (twitter.com/_/status/1472672974327091202)
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