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@oceanzhuo 因为http://Micro.blog 新了解到一个开放网络协议：Micropub https://indieweb.org/Micropub 又通过IndieWeb的Wiki了解到一个新的概念：monoculture，即单一文化的意思 https://indieweb.org/monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/1498163862499053568)
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tantek.com edited /composite_stream (+126) "note my composite stream has all posts of any type, and Atom feed original posts, no responses" (view diff)
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@voxpelli ↩️ I wonder what an indieweb search engine could do (twitter.com/_/status/1498242038126551042)
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[tantek] ^ I can't really respond to that without dredging out a bunch of Technorati drama 😕 [KevinMarks] knows what I'm talking about
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[KevinMarks] Technorati invented recency bias
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voxpelli I’ve been thinking about indexing people’s bookmarks – eg both me and Jeremy Keith has quite a few bookmarks (I have +10k)
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voxpelli I find myself searching my bookmarks on Pinboard quite a lot, would be neat to get my extended network in that as well
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capjamesg[d] I have been meaning to allow search by MF2 property on IndieWeb Search.
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capjamesg[d] But to be honest I don't have the headspace for side projects right now.
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aaronpk i have a bunch of bookmarks on my site and i regularly search them too
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[tw2113_Slack_] y’all are actually giving me ideas for what Algolia search could be used for on a personal site level. however i don’t have the bookmark list yet 😄
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[tantek] To some extend all "responses" are "bookmarks" of a sort, and a "responses search engine" could be interesting from that regard, i.e. search for a news article, and see what people are saying about it. Literally one of the first use-cases of Technorati (it was originally called "Technorati Link Cosmos" I believe)
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[tantek] To some extent*
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voxpelli Yeah, and there was Nuzzel for Twitter
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voxpelli But I’m mostly interested in what me and my network bookmarked a year or more ago – the hidden gems
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[KevinMarks] I think this is more like the Memex idea - other people's trials through documents
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[KevinMarks] searching pinboard can be a bit like that (I pipe my tweets into pinboard, so it has the things I link to)
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Murray[d] that's pretty much exactly why I have Algolia running on my site 🙂 It's useful for finding my own posts sometimes, but 90% of the time I'm searching for bookmarks and notes I made
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[tw2113_Slack_] need to get those indexed 🙂
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@hdv Was reminded yesterday that there is a list of websites that don't load without JavaScript called js;dr or ‘if it’s not curlable, it’s not on the web’ (ht @t) https://indieweb.org/js;dr (twitter.com/_/status/1498388569462751232)
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[tantek] \o/ waits for the haters
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@kevinmarks ↩️ The model we have in http://chat.indieweb.org works. If you ask "what is x" and there's a wiki page for x, our bot answers with the summary and link. If there isn't a page, the bot prompts to create one, which normalises replying that way. (twitter.com/_/status/1498397483235487748)
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[tantek] I don't know of any other community that has a bot like this
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[tantek] Wow Yoz's response is a bit armchair handwavin, "same problem as Big Universal Search" demonstrates not really understanding how well it works in practice. Might be worth inviting him to experience it in person before coming up with hypothetical reasons why it won't work (when it's been working in this community for years)
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barnaby I keep meaning to write up an article about our wiki/IRC workflow (or trying to persuade aaronpk to do so)
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barnaby it’s such a great way of solving the slow-moving, information-oriented wiki vs medium-speed mixed-content forum/mailing list vs fast but ephemeral chat problem
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[tantek] and zero email \o/
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[tantek] waits for aaronpk to fork MediaWiki, incorporate Eventable, and IRC/Slack/Matrix/Discord integration & bots, and setup it as a $$$$ pay service for enterprises that have zero clue how to do this 🙂
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aaronpk oh dear
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[tantek] offer a "free" version to open source communities 🙂
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aaronpk i don't think i need that kind of responsibility in my life
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barnaby says the person working on widely-used auth technology xD
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aaronpk thankfully i do not have anything to do with ops there :)
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barnaby imo the key word in Yoz’s tweet is “unorganised”
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barnaby the loqi integration is amazing, but it works because we’ve cultivated a strong culture of wiki maintenance
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barnaby so I doubt simply applying a similar bot approach by itself would solve the problems he’s talking about
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capjamesg[d] I love the workflow here.
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[tantek] your
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capjamesg[d] I’d love to be in more communities that embraced a MediaWiki and bot setup.
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[tantek] argh. you're right barnaby. "simply" a tool or service wouldn't recreate the high-functioning dynamic we have here. there's a cultural aspect which is essential
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capjamesg[d] The IndieWeb does a great job at prompting for documentation and making a setup where creating documents is very easy.
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capjamesg[d] Yeah. I’m not sure I could convince some communities to adopt this setup without having the right tweaks.
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capjamesg[d] (Ie choice of software)
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[tantek] what does make a difference is that the tools & services we (mostly aaronpk lol) have setup actively help support & sustain that high-functioning dynamic
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capjamesg[d] Yes!
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[tantek] capjamesg[d] re: "not sure I could convince some communities to adopt this setup" — yes! this is why I asked you to get IndieAuth working on coffeebrunch site, and document it. Right now it's too hard for *anyone* to attempt to replicate some of the pieces we have here, that work with IndieWeb building blocks
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capjamesg[d] I would love to document that more.
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capjamesg[d] But the setup process was long and my blog is on hold.
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[tantek] similarly, we should figure out what is the hard work to get IndieAuth supported on microformats.org so there is no longer any need for admins to create accounts there either
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capjamesg[d] I’m just taking each day as it comes right now 😦
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[tantek] exactly the setup process was long, it must be made shorter, with fewer steps that can go wrong in mysterious ways
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capjamesg[d] Yes, an indieauth integration with the microformats site would be cool.
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capjamesg[d] I found vouch a bit annoying to setup.
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capjamesg[d] Having to fiddle with NGINX config files is not accessible to most.
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[tantek] hah be sure to clarify which vouch in these channels 🙂
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capjamesg[d] Especially when all the written examples didn’t work for me.
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[tantek] what is Vouch
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Loqi The Vouch protocol is an anti-spam extension to Webmention. Webmention with Vouch depends on understanding Webmention https://indieweb.org/Vouch
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capjamesg[d] Sorry, Vouch Proxy 😂
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aaronpk yeah it's a tradeoff between running that as an external service vs maintaining a mediawiki plugin
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capjamesg[d] What is vouch proxy?
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Loqi Vouch Proxy (formerly Lasso) is a Single-Sign On OAuth client that works with the Nginx auth_request module and supports IndieAuth/RelMeAuth through IndieLogin, and is used for logins to this wiki https://indieweb.org/vouch-proxy
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[tantek] what is Vouch Proxy
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Loqi Vouch Proxy (formerly Lasso) is a Single-Sign On OAuth client that works with the Nginx auth_request module and supports IndieAuth/RelMeAuth through IndieLogin, and is used for logins to this wiki https://indieweb.org/vouch-proxy
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capjamesg[d] Jinx!
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capjamesg[d] [tantek] we are thinking the same things 😂
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capjamesg[d] Can I guess you are thinking about waffles now.
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aaronpk a mediawiki plugin would be the "right" way, but it would require constant maintenance to update it for both indieauth spec updates as well as mediawiki core updates
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capjamesg[d] Yes. And tbh I just copied the MediaWiki repo from the IndieWeb GitHub with all its integrations, searched for IndieWeb domains in the Vouch Proxy file, and made the right replacements.
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capjamesg[d] I had enough on my plate with all the other confit stuff.
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aaronpk hmm, this is new https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PluggableAuth
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[tantek] it would also be a step towards getting core MediaWiki changes to support IndieAuth out of the box
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capjamesg[d] *config
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capjamesg[d] [tantek] were you thinking about waffles?
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aaronpk that might make it easier to add a proper indieauth plugin now
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aaronpk looks like the existing openid connect plugin extends that
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[tantek] mmm :waffle:
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capjamesg[d] Yay! Do I win? 😂
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Loqi 😃
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capjamesg[d] Loqi agrees.
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aaronpk and actually most of the openid connect code might work with indieauth servers out of the box now
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aaronpk i was able to add my own website as an identity provider in Okta thanks to the new indieauth compatibility
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capjamesg[d] That is cool!
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@ChrisAldrich SEO Traffic Increases for IndieWeb Reads, Watches, Listens, and other Bookmarked Content https://boffosocko.com/2022/02/28/seo-traffic-increases-for-indieweb-reads-watches-listens-and-other-bookmarked-content/ (twitter.com/_/status/1498417190617305089)
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[tantek] wait, where's the one simple trick that silos don't want you to know? [chrisaldrich] 😂
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tantek.com edited /hacker_images (+380) "emojicon, broader dfn of the phenomenon, relevance to IndieWeb, prank section" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /hacker_images (+813) "add a couple more examples" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /hacker_images (+905) "Articles about hacker images, Mashable about hacker stock photos" (view diff)
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