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@GeoffreyHuntley ↩️ What you seek already exists. Research #indieweb. Skip #web3, it after 13 years, still hot trash. (twitter.com/_/status/1498463273645006852)
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@Motokoder ↩️ I think IndieWeb is great, but the #IC blockchain solves different challenges that IndieWeb does not address, such voting on proposals at the blockchain and dapp levels, and of course a native payment system. (twitter.com/_/status/1498467694021988355)
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@nelson ↩️ Makes sense, I think Goodreads is still the strongest social network for that. As long as you have your own copy of the data it's probably not a bad choice.
The IndieWeb movement has an interesting take on how to manage this relationship: https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/1498467153640521729)
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capjamesg[d] That's a nice collection of images [tantek] 🙂
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@michaelgraaf RT @tchambers@indieweb.social
Ukrainians moving to these more distributed, encrypted networks:
#Standwithukraine #Ukraine
https://techcrunch.com/2022/02/28/ukrainians-turn-to-encrypted-messengers-offline-maps-and-twitter-amid-russian-invasion/
https://indieweb.social/@tchambers/107877316839424566 (twitter.com/_/status/1498565037186764801)
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[KevinMarks] we've had voting on proposals since vote links in 2003, it just isn't very useful
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@desmondrivet So what does the #indieweb use for storing photos/albums? I run a micropub media server on a remote machine, storing the photos on disk. Any advantage to switching to the cloud (a bucket, for example)? (twitter.com/_/status/1498645132714860545)
# @desmondrivet More generally, is there any advantage to hosting your albums on an #indieweb enabled website, as opposed to a dedicated application, assuming the app was under your control (in other words you still own your data)? (twitter.com/_/status/1498646587773534208)
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@plutopia Tom Brown @tomwiththeweath joins Plutopians to discuss Indie Web (https://indieweb.org/) & personal libraries (etc.) Thursday, March 3, 7-8pm CT at Plutopia's YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/c/PlutopiaNewsNetwork Tom is a software developer based in Houston and Austin. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1498662116663996419)
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@jeremysarber I like most things about the IndieWeb—decentralization, ownership of content, individuality. Most people will never join, however, because of the technical limitations. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1498670343619235840)
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "most people" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "most people is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] most people is a “weasel wording” phrase that attempts to make a point by appealing to an abstract authority, sometimes statements with it are a softer version of the [[antipatterns#mass_adoption|mass adoption antipattern]].
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# Loqi most people is a “weasel word” phrase that attempts to make a point by appealing to an abstract authority and sometimes statements with it are a softer version of the mass adoption antipattern; instead of worrying about “most people”, focus on making what you need and using it https://indieweb.org/most_people
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@anildash ↩️ Regulation, I expect. The Indieweb folks generally have a good enough (janky, but functional) format for most things. (twitter.com/_/status/1498684730685939715)
# @anildash ↩️ Some alts to Goodreads include @LibraryThing, @okuclub & @thestorygraph (I have not used them, but have heard good things), and I like @tessthornton's Nice Reads, which is free & remixable on @Glitch: https://nice-reads.glitch.me Many indieweb options here: https://macwright.com/2022/02/24/indie-bookshelves.html (twitter.com/_/status/1498686117364871180)
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@fluffy ↩️ Yes! This is literally the goal of #indieweb. Most folks are building their indieweb sites with the goal of interoperating with the silos to some extent, and services like http://brid.gy exist to make that integration way easier. (twitter.com/_/status/1498704865844809728)
# @fluffy ↩️ I would definitely PREFER if people followed my blog etc via feed reader rather than twitter etc, and if comments came through my comment system rather than webmentions (which is a thing I generally disagree with indieweb folks on), but self-determination is important. (twitter.com/_/status/1498705899610726403)
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[manton] FYI about Micro.blog from the conversation earlier… You can subscribe to many blogs without the blog author needing to register on Micro.blog and setup their feed, by searching for the blog’s domain name, e.g. search for “ma.tt” to follow Matt Mullenweg’s blog. It’s not foolproof but I think it’s a good start without becoming a full feed reader. (Yet?)
# [manton] Unless someone has already looked up your domain name. Just tried and it doesn’t seem to be finding your feed… So probably more for me to do there. https://micro.blog/waterpigs.co.uk
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# @desmondrivet The ins and outs of owning your bookmarks on the #indieweb: https://desmondrivet.com/2022/03/01/bookmark-thoughts (twitter.com/_/status/1498734581431902217)
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# [tantek] jacky, that "_migiht_ apply to but once you ask to specify, they disappear" is why such terms "some people", "most people" etc. are "weasel" words. The Wikipedia article on weasel word is worth a read (linked in the /most_people dfn)
# Loqi Micro.blog is a website and social service started by Manton Reece, which natively supports IndieWeb building-blocks like microformats2, Webmention, and Micropub https://indieweb.org/Micro.blog
# [tantek] and I suspect the Features section is out of date and could use some updating at least with a summary list at the top of it: https://indieweb.org/Micro.blog#Features
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[aciccarello] I thought the same thing. It's not wikipedia 😆
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# [tantek] [manton] I appreciate your reservations about editing it, especially the Criticism section. I think one way to do that without concern for bias is to move them to a "Resolved" section with answers for each, preferably with a citation to how it actually works today (presumably in micro.blog docs). That way anyone coming along can "verify" the facts as it were
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@yequari ↩️ Something tangentially related that I've been looking into is the indieweb movement. The idea is that you self publish what would be your tweets or w/e on your own site, and syndicate it to social media, taking control of your data away from corporate platforms. (twitter.com/_/status/1498764939334348800)
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# @yequari ↩️ For sure. What I find interesting about it is that participating normally in social media is compatible with indieweb. I think even if it doesn't make sweeping changes, presenting people with social media options outside of corporate platforms is a worthy goal regardless. (twitter.com/_/status/1498771588027600899)
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "lot of people" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "lot of people is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [tantek] a lot of people is /most_people
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loqi.me created /lot_of_people (+24) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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Fran[m]1 Hello there! I'm currently "in-between domains", as I move from a `.io` to a `.fi`. Since I'll pass my old domain to another perons, what would be the best way to update all references in the indieweb.org wiki?
# Fran[m]1 Not too bad, I'll go ahead with that then. Thank you!
# fran.fi deleted /User:Fran.io "Author request: Moved to fran.fi. Content was: "Enjoyes a clean slate, but is building things on [http://fran.io/ fran.io].", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Fran.io|Fran.io]]" ([[User talk:Fran.io|talk]])"
# Fran[m]1 Me! 👆
# Fran[m]1 * Me, cleaning up after myself! 👆
# fran.fi deleted /Template:fran.io "Author request: Moved to fran.fi. Content was: "<span class="h-card" style="white-space:nowrap">⋉[[User:fran.io|Fran]]</span>", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Fran.io|Fran.io]]" ([[User talk:Fran.io|talk]])"
# Fran[m]1 That should be it, apologies for the noise.
# Fran[m]1 Oh, now that you mention it... it's OK though, not much in there anyway.
# loqi.me edited /most_people (+50) "[tantek] added "[[antipatterns#mass_adoption]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
# capjamesg[d] Another Scottish community member! 🏴
# capjamesg[d] 👋 Fran[m]
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# @fluffy ↩️ In the mf2/indieweb world the solution is to create a new post but have semantic markup that indicates the original source, which is more or less how Tumblr seems to do things in its data model as well.
The atom way of doing things would be nice but it has some sharp corners. (twitter.com/_/status/1498792811260305408)
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# [tantek]2 though the "atom way of doing things" evolved into AS2 (acknowledging that other evolutionary paths may have been possible)
# [KevinMarks] the reposting idea did exist when Atom was being iterated on, which is how we got the source idea, but remember that originally RSS was about posting descriptions of external links too