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@mrsmckhaos Connecting to the IndieWeb Movement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzq64Yatt7I #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1552806172469723136)
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> gRegor++
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Loqi gRegor has 17 karma in this channel over the last year (43 in all channels)
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> That made me smile 🤣
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loqi.me created /VRChat (+152) "prompted by [fluffy] and dfn added by [fluffy]" (view diff)
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[tantek] gonna have lots of new pages for this week's newsletter!
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loqi.me edited /VRChat (+26) "[tantek] added "[[VR]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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beesbuzz.biz edited /VRChat (+360) (view diff)
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loqi.me created /Virtual_Reality (+15) "prompted by [fluffy] and redirect added by [fluffy]" (view diff)
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jamesg.coffee edited /Planning (+41) "/* Berlin */" (view diff)
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> Yay for more newsletter additions!
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-07-29.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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david.shanske.com edited /IndieAuth_Ticket_Auth (-5) "/* Create the IndieAuth ticket */" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /IndieAuth_Ticket_Auth (+114) "/* Use-cases */" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /IndieAuth_Ticket_Auth (+400) "/* Add Introduction */" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /IndieAuth_Ticket_Auth (+603) "/* Add Discovery Section */" (view diff)
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[tantek] if feel like with /VR as our top page we need some sort of topical yet maybe a little self-deprecating graphic / featured image for it
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[tantek] I'm thinking Lawnmower Man
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[tantek] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z4VO0wbbG0
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[tantek] how about this image? https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Screen-Shot-2017-01-19-at-11.01.42-AM-1-1-800x605.png
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[tantek] from https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/01/the-lawnmower-man-will-be-reality-reality-once-more-as-a-vr-film/
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tantek.com edited /featured (+98) "meta template featured" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /VR (+547) "featured image, expand dfn a bit more" (view diff)
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[tantek] ok done
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[tantek] our most popular page of the week has a preview image
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[fluffy] fun
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[fluffy] I think a couple of my tweets about the page got spread widely by a lot of people angry about VRChat. I've also gotten some rather unhelpful responses as my blog post spread throughout Mastodon.
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[fluffy] It's a very much in-the-moment thing.
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[fluffy] Most of the interesting conversations I've had have been on unlogged sideband venues, though.
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[KevinMarks] How about Tom Baker offering the VR headset to Douglas Adams?
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@mrsmckhaos IndieWeb for WordPress Tutorial: Introduction https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH0WuY2loKQ #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1552987359016353792)
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@whouishere I'm don't know about the Mastodon official client (never used it), but I do think Tusky should have an option to translate toots to the app's selected language. It's not that I'd need it, but it would be a nice feature. Especially since I toot in… https://indieweb.social/@whou/108566254453548122 (twitter.com/_/status/1553016985050664964)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-07-29.html
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aaronparecki.com edited /flight (-1) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ replaced with working example" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-07-29.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-07-29.html
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@thattommyhall ↩️ Or maybe https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/1553053848796798978)
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campegg.com edited /own_your_links (+35) (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-07-29.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-07-29.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-07-29.html
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tantek.com edited /moblogging (+13) "write, capture on mobile also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /moblogging (+150) "stub reaction section" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /mobile_photo (+23) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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campegg.com edited /own_your_links (+122) (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-07-29.html
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tantek.com edited /moblogging (+1) "Mobile photo video reaction" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /moblogging (+144) "add youtube link to watch video also" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-07-29.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-07-29.html
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tantek.com edited /moblogging (+83) "linky portmanteau of what" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /mobile (+134) "+mobile create" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /mobile_create (+16) "linky, historical moblogging" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /moblogging (+121) "current work" (view diff)
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[tantek] and I just found this historical dead-end page: https://indieweb.org/mobile-data
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[tantek] aaronpk, since you last "touched" it, do you remember the purpose of this page or what problem(s) it was trying to solve for the IndieWeb? trying to decide if it is worth keeping, or redirecting to a subsection somewhere or just deleting
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[tantek] is this page about hotspotting? or what is that term when people turn their mobile phone into a wifi router?
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tantek.com edited /mobile (+120) "+ mobile posting" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /mobile_create (+22) "+ mobile posting" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /moblogging (+41) "+ mobile posting" (view diff)
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[fluffy] It looks like it's about mobile hotspot providers. Funnily enough I've used most of the products on that page and I suppose I *could* fill that in, but... what's the point?
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[tantek] that's exactly the question [fluffy], I'm trying to figure out what's the point
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[tantek] of the page
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[tantek] one possible (narrow?) use-case that the page could be trying to capture / present solutions for is: mobile (as in the adjective) interaction with the web, without requiring: Wifi or a phone or a phonecall or an SMStexting service
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tantek.com edited /mobile-data (+0) "fix typo mifi" (view diff)
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beesbuzz.biz edited /mobile-data (+781) "/* Freedom Pop */" (view diff)
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[tantek] the ironic thing is, I think I'm in the space of people that want / use this use-case yet I haven't seen this page before and I'm mildly interested in documenting it
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[tantek] ok that's enough reason to keep it. thanks [fluffy]++
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beesbuzz.biz edited /mobile-data (+392) "/* Verizon MiFi */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /mobile-data (+228) "stub, attempt at dfn from apparent original intent" (view diff)
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tantek.com moved /mobile-data to /mobile_data "not a hyphenated term in practice"
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loqi.me edited /mobile_data (+66) "[tantek] added "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_broadband" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /mobile_data (+11) "+dfn markup" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-07-29.html
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[tantek] moblogging is so close to metaverse 😄
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> Mo blogging = mo problems?
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> 🤣
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[tantek] capjamesg, indeed, how do you think we got to our modern surveillance proto-fascist dystopia?
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beesbuzz.biz edited /mobile_data (+1475) (view diff)
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beesbuzz.biz edited /mobile_data (+96) "restore stuff lost in edit conflict clobber" (view diff)
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beesbuzz.biz edited /mobile_data (+2) "/* iPad (with cellular data) */" (view diff)
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aaronpk Interesting, it looks like it's about data-only mobile plans
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aaronpk which were relatively rare in 2013, but I feel like is pretty common all over the place now
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[fluffy] yeah, and also these days there's not much reason to go data-only because the voice part is typically thrown in "for free"
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[fluffy] and, moblogging is such an archaic term. These days we just call it "blogging" or, more likely, "posting to facebook/twitter"
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[tantek] [fluffy] the voice part being "for free" is only free if your time is free for dealing with unwanted spam phone calls
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[KevinMarks] That reminds me of warchalking
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[tantek] i.e. voice is "for free" because the phone companies make money from voice phone spammers
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[tantek] yet another instance of, if the service is free, you (your attention) is the product that is being sold
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[tantek] I believe something similar has happened / is happening to SMS, that is, the business model for SMS is no longer consumers paying for SMS services but rather phone companies charging SMS spammers to acceess their network to mass-spam people (you), e.g. for political donations etc.
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[tantek] these are both strong reasons for data-only plans, because what are they going to do, spam port 80 and hope I have a webmention receiver endpoint open at some well-known URL? lol
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[tantek] we could retcon moblogging to mean only doing it from a "feature phone" 🙂
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[fluffy] that's true, but you can also put devices into do not disturb mode now
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[fluffy] or reject calls/texts from numbers which aren't in your contacts
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tantek.com edited /mobile_data (+213) "+1 Verizon MiFi, scope WP link" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /mobile_data (-12) "rename iPad cellular per Apple's nomenclature, shortened" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /mobile_data (+12) "without wifi" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /mobile_data (+16) "linky, see also mobile" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /mobile (+133) "+mobile data" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /moblogging (+36) "+mobile data" (view diff)
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[tantek] [fluffy] yes there are non-default workarounds, that's not the point, it requires (pro)active labor on the part of the user which means it is designed for default abuse by marketers
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[fluffy] not to mention the exemptions for political purposes yeah
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[tantek] yes very good point
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[tantek] like they should at least have to pay 13¢ per SMS or minute of phone call, with perhaps 12¢ going to the person receiving, i.e. automatically applying as a credit toward their monthly bill, and then potentially acquiring a surplus which then results in a monthly check to the person receiving. adjust 12¢ upwards to whatever is the per-minute minimum wage in your country/state.
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[tantek] 12¢/min was derived from the U.S. baseline of $7.25/hr
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-07-29.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-07-29.html
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snarfed.org edited /TikTok (+316) "Add tiktok-mf2.tanna.dev, empty IndieWeb Examples section" (view diff)
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snarfed.org edited /TikTok (+406) "Developer product details; no API" (view diff)
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snarfed.org edited /TikTok (+530) "/* Use their API */ Found more APIs" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-07-29.html
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tantek.com edited /mobile_photo (+3) "mobile photo probably means taking a photo more than posting it" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /mobile_create (+132) "related link up front" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /mobile (+23) "/* mobile sharing */ main mobile posting" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /mobile_posting (+533) "incorporate some specific text from /mobile" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /mobile (+60) "dead/offline sites" (view diff)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-07-29.html
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tantek.com edited /database-antipattern (+719) "/* Fragile */ Corrupt Content example, move it up more than deeper plumbing" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-07-29.html
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[tantek] solid newsletter, great work everyone
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-07-29.html (twitter.com/_/status/1553142080653778944)
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