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@dee_bloo ↩️ @deebloo@indieweb.social (twitter.com/_/status/1592308524914454529)
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@tchambers ↩️ You simply HAVE to set up a Mastodon account too: I admin here and can support it: http://indieweb.social (twitter.com/_/status/1592312366502662149)
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@DominoPivot I've created an account over at https://indieweb.social/web/@DominoPivot just in case this place were to disappear. Sadly, the fedi… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1591214322948374528 (twitter.com/_/status/1591214322948374528)
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@GOwin ↩️ dictate their lives, India’s gig workers are coming up with cheap hacks to game the system. https://restofworld.org/2022/gig-workers-in-india-take-back-control-from-algorithms/ https://indieweb.social/@caffeneko/109344490355481604 (2/2) (twitter.com/_/status/1592321513377697795)
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[tantek] voxpelli++ for the polite point of no need to conflate various protocols
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Loqi voxpelli has 8 karma in this channel over the last year (9 in all channels)
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@Malakatonche ↩️ https://indieweb.social/@malakatonche (twitter.com/_/status/1592330187035009024)
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@rklau ↩️ This is actually server #2 (first was fine, but slooooow… decided that I wanted to see what the account migration flow looked like anyway, so I set this up). you can see the redirection by looking at @rklau@indieweb.social – it was pretty seamless. (twitter.com/_/status/1592330453582639104)
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@iplayitofflegit Took me weeks to figure out the perfect lens kit for the #fujifilm X-H2 but I finally committed to all primes and one telephoto zoom. Here's a photo I took with my previous camera the #fujifilm X-T2 using the kit lens. Outside LAX when… https://indieweb.social/@iplayitofflegit/109345312717282377 (twitter.com/_/status/1592335757037142017)
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aaronpk ok weird these ones should be being blocked if they include a full permalink to indieweb.social, not sure what's going on
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@typelogdev Can someone explain activity pub to me? Is it an official web spec? What does it give that webmentions don't (still leaning about these)? #indieweb #activitypub (twitter.com/_/status/1592339297637920768)
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[jacky] so many questions
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aaronpk "Official"
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@trentcasey "Owning your content on the web should not require extensive technical knowledge or special skills. It should be just as easy as signing up for a cellphone plan." https://mxb.dev/blog/the-indieweb-for-everyone/ (twitter.com/_/status/1592343313889505281)
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aaronpk Hey I know someone else who uses that analogy
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[jacky] lol who?
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[jacky] wait lol
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[jacky] something tells me it's tantek
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@netfreedom ↩️ business?" https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/11/11/1063162/twitters-imminent-collapse-could-wipe-out-vast-records-of-recent-human-history/ https://indieweb.social/@tchambers/109345219878341259 (2/2) (twitter.com/_/status/1592348186693206018)
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[jacky] tbh
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[jacky] that's not false at all lol
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[jacky] so many memes, quotes and even events
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[jacky] all gone
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[jacky] _might_ be best tbh lol
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@trentcasey "POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere" https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/1592351534331088896)
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[jacky] can confirm! 🙂
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@tamar_marvin ↩️ Okay, alright ;) I did start one @trmarvin@indieweb.social (twitter.com/_/status/1592383065401479169)
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@YannnSud Un site pour mieux regarder Twitter se déliter : https://twitterisgoinggreat.com (Via @tchambers@indieweb.social) (twitter.com/_/status/1592399089496657921)
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[tantek] wikiedits make more sense in meta as it's very likely the people doing the edits are *in* the meta channel, so if something looks "off" or worth discussing, we can go right to discussing it in-context in meta
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@GallantIdeas @matthiasott I find POSSE - Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere - a pragmatic balance. https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/1592401461560082432)
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@wiverson ↩️ archives: https://github.com/timhutton/twitter-archive-parser https://indieweb.social/@addyosmani/109346369096012689 (2/2) (twitter.com/_/status/1592412652877512705)
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@nachtfunke CW: mastodon meta I'm currently mainly tooting from http://indieweb.social. What happens, when I "move" to a different server? Let's say, if I wanted to move to a team or company's server, or my own. If I move back in 30 days to http://indieweb.social, do I loose content (1/2) (twitter.com/_/status/1592444355595628546)
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@angegerrard https://indieweb.social/@gerradog (twitter.com/_/status/1592445018639597568)
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@laughingmind Have already downloaded my Twitter archive from 2008 as a PlanB. In case this site gets well plucked, you can find me over in @laughingmind@indieweb.social where I'm watching #Fediverse architecture folk weave new nests. (twitter.com/_/status/1592465525225189376)
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@indiewebnl IndieWeb Nederland is vooral te vinden op https://indieweb.social/@indiewebnl (twitter.com/_/status/1592470016905003008)
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@DerekGameDev ↩️ I haven’t really used it yet. https://indieweb.social/web/@derekgamedev (twitter.com/_/status/1592482091081814017)
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@3wojis ↩️ @Woji@indieweb.social (twitter.com/_/status/1592493538339885058)
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@RadioMinnesota Migrating to Mastodon follow me at @RadioMinnesota@indieweb.social (twitter.com/_/status/1592494858039885826)
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@Nintendork9 ↩️ @nintendork@indieweb.social (twitter.com/_/status/1592500732133281794)
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@Nintendork9 ↩️ @nintendo@indieweb.social (twitter.com/_/status/1592500340406063112)
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@Nintendork9 My account on Mastodon is up @nintendork@indieweb.social (twitter.com/_/status/1592506118798180354)
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@jackyalcine Trying to figure out why this configuration for a http://Fly.io config file (source: https://git.jacky.wtf/indieweb/sele/src/branch/feature/implement-setup-flow/fly.toml) isn't allowing it to resolve when I try to connect to its URL at https://proud-pine-6165.fly.dev. Gonna post on the forums too but asking out… https://jacky.wtf/2022/11/xt55 (twitter.com/_/status/1592505668720021504)
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[Murray] what is twitter
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Loqi Twitter is a popular content hosting silo that started with short plain text notes in 2006 and over time added auto-linking URLs, @-names, replies, photo & video posts, and much more https://indieweb.org/Twitter
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@curtclifton It’s time to check out Mastodon, I hear. I’m @curtclifton@indieweb.social over there. (over here? cross-posting is so confusing) (twitter.com/_/status/1592523938139033601)
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@JoelGMcKinnon ↩️ I dont expect it to go down, but could become something unbearable. If so I'm here: @SeldonCrisis@indieweb.social (it's pretty quiet now) (twitter.com/_/status/1592524487475752968)
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@joshnesbitt As this platform is degrading faster than my memory after a few martinis, here are some other places I exist... Mastodon: https://indieweb.social/@joshnesbitt LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josh-nesbitt Instagram: https://instagram.com/joshnesbitt Company: https://stac.works Events: https://heypresents.com (twitter.com/_/status/1592535856535175168)
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@jegtnes ↩️ Just kidding, the bird site could self-immolate any day. Despite the memes about Mastodon being arcane, it's been pretty easy to set up so far, and the web version feels about as nice to use as Twitter. Will try earnestposting on @jegtnes@indieweb.social and see how we get on ☺️ (twitter.com/_/status/1592537818311823364)
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@Nintendork9 ↩️ @nintendo@indieweb.social (twitter.com/_/status/1592539786820038659)
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theadhocracy.co.uk edited /Eleventy () "(-1506) /* See Also */" (view diff)
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@dariuslupsa ↩️ IndieWeb it’s the new(old) way of social media (twitter.com/_/status/1592542975909072897)
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@hamishcampbell Thinking about politics and tech https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fediverse-vs-indieweb/2638/10?u=hamishcampbell (twitter.com/_/status/1592546206516973568)
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aaronpk interesting summary there higher up in the thread https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fediverse-vs-indieweb/2638/2
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barnaby the analysis there seems a little confused to me, not sure I want to jump in and try to clarify anything though
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barnaby “Really what it comes down to is that the IndieWeb is, y’know, the Web.” is very accurate though xD
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barnaby even if what follows is a little muddled
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@pinboard_pop The IndieWeb for Everyone | Max Böck https://mxb.dev/blog/the-indieweb-for-everyone/ (twitter.com/_/status/1592547995609960448)
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[aciccarello] The last post I see on that fediverse vs indieweb seems to be a strange take
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[aciccarello] > • Fediverse is (as of now) a bad fit for capitalism
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[aciccarello] > • indieweb is a good fit for capitalism
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barnaby yeah I’d be curious to know what the thinking behind that is, and whether it’s deeper than indieweb not typically being a service people can get accounts on for free
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barnaby the indieweb approach is definitely much more individualistic, but projects like micro.blog show how you can establish a balance between community and own-domain content ownership IMO
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barnaby and the individualism is based less on political ideology and more on a long history of observing siloed identities and content disappear
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[aciccarello] Yeah, it seems to be an observation mostly based on "communal" vs "individual"
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[jacky] 11ty << https://github.com/11ty/eleventy-activity-feed used to build an aggregate [[feed]] that can be followed in a [[reader]]
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Loqi ok, I added "https://github.com/11ty/eleventy-activity-feed used to build an aggregate [[feed]] that can be followed in a [[reader]]" to the "See Also" section of /Eleventy https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=84384&oldid=84383
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[Murray] [jacky] I added that earlier 😄
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[jacky] oof I'll remove it 🙂
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[jacky] my edit that is
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[Murray] I mean yours may well be better, remove whichever
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[jacky] I'm replying to that forum post (I do lurk on there) and they have a stupid rule that blocks up to two links per post if you haven't posted more than ten posts in total
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[jacky] and >_> that's so easy to circumvent
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[jacky] but makes my life hard b/c I need to link to examples lol
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[jacky] https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fediverse-vs-indieweb/2638/11?u=jackyalcine
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barnaby [jacky]: heh yeah I was drafting some potential replies to that in my head and all of them would have more than two links xD
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[jacky] kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkjG:x
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[jacky] lol sorry
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barnaby looks like a good reply to me [jacky]++
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Loqi [jacky] has 13 karma in this channel over the last year (77 in all channels)
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barnaby can get on your keyboard? ;)
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[jacky] lol not even I think I was leaning on it reaching for my tea
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barnaby oops *cat, not can xD
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[jacky] thank you re: reply feedback!
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jacky.wtf edited /Eleventy (-85) "merged two similar lines" (view diff)
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[jacky] opted for your link [Murray]!
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@nachtfunke Idk why I haven’t found this article earlier https://amberwilson.co.uk/blog/grow-the-indieweb-with-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1592577651948109825)
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@sarajoydev ↩️ Although I've seen more people on http://indieweb.social (twitter.com/_/status/1592577362579066880)
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@CodingPotions ↩️ En la IndieWeb también mencionan Bridgy que precisamente lo que hace es eso, publicar tu contenido también en redes, pero no lo he probado y no sé si tiene soporte para lo que digo de tweets más largos en hilos, que eso me molaría mucho. https://brid.gy/ (twitter.com/_/status/1592582657111908352)
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@CodingPotions Qué pasa genios, os pongo en situación. Como sabéis tengo la web parada. Estoy ya haciendo el rediseño y tal pero voy despacio. Una cosa importante es que me molaría seguir la estrategia POSSE de la IndieWeb (Publish on your Own Site Sindicate Elsewhere) (twitter.com/_/status/1592582649557704708)
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@kamperpants I'm on Mastodon at @kamperpants@indieweb.social. It's friendly and much calmer over there, and you actually have meaningful interactions with people. (twitter.com/_/status/1592582320988753920)
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@evantravers I have a mastodon thing: @evantravers@indieweb.social https://indieweb.social/@evantravers# (twitter.com/_/status/1592594658626097152)
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gregorlove.com edited /follow (+280) "/* Indieweb examples */ +me" (view diff)
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@gnclmorais If this place keels over, you can find me at https://indieweb.social/@gnclmorais or https://blog.gnclmorais.com (twitter.com/_/status/1592601485820690433)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /User:Vanderven.se_martijn (+287) "/* Events */ Add the only Swedish IWC to date!" (view diff)
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@manueltreiner ↩️ Dang, 2FA is a critical security component. Didn't realize it was down. See you all at @manuelte@indieweb.social (twitter.com/_/status/1592606696437739520)
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@voxpelli ↩️ The one thing missing there is to actually properly replicate the posts from around the web, needs some POSSE and/or PESOS https://indieweb.org/POSSE#PESOS (twitter.com/_/status/1592624421306441729)
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@juanfernandes New section on my website (Stream) now setup for social media posts. Moved some older notes over. Next step is to setup the RSS feed and an IFTTT recipe. #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1592626050894336001)
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[aciccarello] Is there a way to make the wiki look better on mobile? Specifically the way the sidebar affects the page?
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aaronpk i can't figure it out, it used to be better
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aaronpk mediawiki made a bunch of changes to how the Vector skin works and i can't tell what you're supposed to do to get it back
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aaronpk it's incredibly frustrating, so any help is appreciated
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aaronpk something about Vector 2022 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Vector/2022
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[aciccarello] I get overwhelmed anytime I look at the mediawiki docs so I totally understand
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aaronpk something something we're changing this to be the default but if you want it to be the default for people then you have to change this setting but otherwise it will be the default in the next version
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unrelenting.technology edited /User:Unrelenting.technology (+48) "move to new domain and name and stuff" (view diff)
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val.packett.cool created /User:Val.packett.cool (+114) "Created page with "https://val.packett.cool/ hi, I was [[User:Unrelenting.technology]] before. not the most active member these days"" (view diff)
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@TheTorqueMag Want to learn more about the fediverse? On tomorrow's livestream we'll talk with @pfefferle and @tnolte about how #WordPress can integrate with #Mastodon and the #indieweb https://youtu.be/Bf2Bksfof0U (twitter.com/_/status/1592636546255290369)
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[tantek] re: Mastodon criticism, please feel encouraged to update with more information!
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[tantek] there's distinctions between "can an org join or must it all be individuals?" and "can a brand join?" and "no advertising". those aren't the same. and when like that are ambiguous, then it leaves it up to the whims of the admin, which frankly is a valid criticism
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[tantek] I double-checked to be sure I was quoting properly. "spam, advertising, etc are not allowed" from https://octodon.social/about
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[tantek] e.g. if someone is saying, "here's my patreon if you like my work", is that advertising?
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aaronpk that's not a terribly clear definition 😂
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[tantek] or: "if you'd like to support my run for charity, here's a link"
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aaronpk but in any case if i read that i would not have tried to make an account for a business
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[tantek] a business that is values aligned with the summary of that server might think they'd be welcome
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[tantek] which tbh DNA Lounge very much is with its inclusiveness and anti-abuse policies (of the club itself)
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[tantek] and frankly, if that's the policy (no business), then they could state that up front: no organization, business, or brand accounts
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[tantek] since that's quite the norm (that accounts for those things exist on Twitter), it's reasonable to expect to make that explicit
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aaronpk i agree the policy is poorly written. but that's also a criticism of how this stuff works :)
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[tantek] right, hence a criticism of the Mastodon, "you're at the whims of the admin" model
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aaronpk not only that, but you're at the whims of amateurs writing legal policies 😂
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[tantek] is posting events that you're going to or putting on considered spam/advertising? especially if there's a paid entry fee?
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[tantek] How about an event that you’re a part of? E.g. speaking/DJing at?
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[tantek] lots of "casual" conversations (as happens in /note posts) *could* be considered some form of "advertising" depending on the whims of the reader
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gRegor I'll dig into the MediaWiki Vector 2022 stuff
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@mortendk ↩️ or PM for us who work in tech "fix it all - just fix it i dont care about tech depth / i dont believe in that I the all knowing king shall tell you peasents how the world is" But the indieweb is getting a good boost so lets se where it ends mastodon is kinda nice (twitter.com/_/status/1592644005090951168)
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tantek.com edited /well-known (+1027) "note patterns, separate lists for root level / something.txt and inside well-known, add trust.txt proposal, API Endpoints, incorporate See Also" (view diff)
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snarfed.org edited /postActiv (+197) "defunct!" (view diff)
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@dee_bloo I am very much enjoying it over on #mastodon. Join me! https://indieweb.social/@deebloo (twitter.com/_/status/1592658655132123138)
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loqi.me created /common_pages (+17) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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[tantek] that feeling when you have multiple wiki pages open with edits and are trying to figure out what order to make the edits / save them in so as to maintain some form of incremental consistency