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tantek.com edited /well-known (+500) "+ads.txt, more specific dfn automatic code retrieval, contrast with /page" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /page (+436) "+about, sort, contrast with well-known" (view diff)
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[tantek] Zegnat ^ please review and hopefully that helps contrast re: your question in #indieweb-dev
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@tchambers ↩️ Oops, but at least his follower count went up on #Mastodon. In related news follow: https://indieweb.social/@morfca@hackers.town (twitter.com/_/status/1592669778426335234)
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@mehulkar Moved around a bit on some servers, but settling down at https://indieweb.social/@mehulkar. Swing by if anyone is experimenting as well! (twitter.com/_/status/1592669140158132224)
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loqi.me created /home_stream (+28) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /home_page_stream (+28) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /homepage (+390) "/* Homepage Brainstorming */ added photo highlights, signed in replies in feed ideas" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ It's a pretty complete implementation of the indieweb protocols, with a clear ui for the non technical (twitter.com/_/status/1592701080160604161)
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@jvmediadesign For anyone wanting to join the main http://mastodon.social creating an account there is "currently not possible". I went for http://indieweb.social (@jvmdesign@indieweb.social) as it seemed like a nice place with some tech people. Still can't promise I'll be over there a lot. (twitter.com/_/status/1592711250211135490)
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@davidalen_ Follow me on Mastodon! https://indieweb.social/@davidalen (twitter.com/_/status/1592711176613265408)
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@NicMakesStuff I'm more than a little concerned about potential data security issues at twitter, and will be deactivating soon! You can find me on Mastodon, if we're mutuals feel free to dm for my discord handle. I also have an instagram for art. https://indieweb.social/web/home https://www.instagram.com/nicnixniks/ (twitter.com/_/status/1592722225857458177)
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tantek.com edited /well-known (+69) "/* API endpoints */ sellers.json" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /well-known (+274) "/* something.txt */ citation template" (view diff)
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@oceanzhuo ↩️ 其实跟Fediverse没关系，是Mastodon自带的功能，每个主页都有一个xml 但我仍然不喜欢Fediverse的SNS模式，因为没解决社交网络的实质问题（比如部落化和社交压力），我倒是更看好可以完全由个人自托管的IndieWeb独立网站规范 (twitter.com/_/status/1592738270076882944)
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@tonywestonuk ↩️ I've just followed you, so I can continue to bug you about insecure websites.... You're @scrumtuous@indieweb.social (twitter.com/_/status/1592754917084893184)
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gRegor Re: Vector (wiki theme), it looks like we might have `$wgVectorDefaultSkinVersion = '1';` set in LocalSettings. I see that value in some JSON when I view source. However I don't think we can just flip the switch on vector-2022 due to the homepage.
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gRegor For MW 1.36 and 1.37 that was supposed to be set to 2. As of 1.38, which we're on now, it's just `$wgDefaultSkin = 'vector-2022';` https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Vector/2022#Making_Vector_2022_the_default_skin
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gRegor Preview homepage with Vector 2022: https://indieweb.org/?useskin=vector-2022
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gRegor On https://indieweb.org/Special:Preferences > Appearance you can also switch to Vector 2022 for yourself. It's *better* on mobile, but the sidebar .mw-navigation element still appears at the top. I'm not sure why... weirdly haven't found anything searching for help
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gRegor https://indieweb.org/Special:Version shows Vector 1.0.0 but the sidebar doesn't collapse like Wikipedia does. Hm.
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gRegor Oh, switching to vector-2022 also loses the IWC logo top left, just "IndieWeb" as a link to the homepage.
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@3wojis ↩️ Cool. I am trying on there. It's @Woji@indieweb.social (twitter.com/_/status/1592764788542943233)
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@3wojis ↩️ @Woji@indieweb.social (twitter.com/_/status/1592785611714613249)
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@by_caballero ↩️ lots of it is, plus the whole "web3" identity kinda chafes at how "web1"/#indieweb mastodon is on average (twitter.com/_/status/1592810308065976320)
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@aaronbieber ↩️ @aaronbieber@indieweb.social @aaronbieber@mastodon.art (twitter.com/_/status/1592812976654127105)
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@whitep4nth3r ↩️ I noticed that one and noticed registrations were closed. I've requested access to http://indieweb.social — will see how that works out! (twitter.com/_/status/1592826074836389888)
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@stalfel ↩️ https://twitter.com/khasecon/status/1592148859333246976 https://indieweb.social/@curation/109342527238019736 (2/2) (twitter.com/_/status/1592838090640740359)
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@garybunt I've just set up on Mastodon - and will be posting there in due course. https://indieweb.social/@garyrbunt (twitter.com/_/status/1592867508750802945)
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@philhawksworth ↩️ I got a proper export. https://indieweb.social/@philhawksworth/109353502681168763 (twitter.com/_/status/1592868280402071554)
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[Murray] Twitter << Be aware that exports do not mark content from Circles differently to other tweets, so when migrating you may end up making previously private content public: https://indieweb.social/@philhawksworth/109353365961680480
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Loqi ok, I added "Be aware that exports do not mark content from Circles differently to other tweets, so when migrating you may end up making previously private content public: https://indieweb.social/@philhawksworth/109353365961680480" to the "See Also" section of /Twitter https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=84401&oldid=84337
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[tantek] Hah that tweet about web3 is in a thread observing that there is no “town square” alternative for the web3/crypto crowd if Twitter disappears
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@dangolant Not committing, but playing with mastodon @ilovelemons@indieweb.social (twitter.com/_/status/1592877512279064576)
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@pjedlund Perfect summary: "I love the IndieWeb and its tools, but it has always bothered me that at some point they basically require you to have a webdevelopment background." #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1592876785716592641)
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[tantek] ^ at some point? You don’t need a web dev background to use micro.blog
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[jacky] but you do have to pay
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[jacky] not to say that's a problem but that's a blocker in a world where that's less of a requirement to use services
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[Murray] Max does explicitly mention micro.blog as well, but says (to paraphrase) that it has struggled to gain traction:
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[Murray] > Mastodon, Ghost, Tumblr, micro.blog and others are working hard on that frontier; yet I feel they are still not widely used by the average person looking to share their mind.
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[jacky] Right
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[jacky] We're also fighting against general consumer computing - a place where things just "click" and "work" and people are already there; that's not as easy to do in a more distributed fashion like we have here _without_ a bit of work
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[Murray] what is meetup
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Loqi Meetup.com is an event silo for creating and/or finding small gatherings in your local community who share your interests, sometimes used by some Homebrew Website Club cities to organize local HWC meetups, acquired in 2017 by WeWork https://indieweb.org/Meetup
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[tantek] being mentioned along with Tumblr is still quite a compliment tho
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[Murray] what is accessibility overlay
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "accessibility overlay" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "accessibility overlay is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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sknebel could've sworn we had a page on that
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sknebel maybe just on a specific example?
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theadhocracy.co.uk edited /meetup.com (+919) "/* Criticism */" (view diff)
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[Murray] yeah, I thought there was too, but I can't find it via search (I'd hoped Loqi may have a redirect somewhere). Not a huge issue, I paraphrased instead 🙂
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[tantek] What is accessibility
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Loqi Accessibility is the practice of designing so that people with disabilities can have equal access to information and functionality, applicable to both websites as well as physical environments https://indieweb.org/accessibility
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[tantek] Maybe in a subsection there ^. Overlays are not worth their own indieweb article IMO unless they become an actual problem on the IndieWeb we have to recommend against very explicitly
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@CodingPotions ↩️ Aquí tienes más info https://indieweb.org/POSSE Y sí, es lo que dices, la mayoría de esos servicios son de pago o muy militados. Yo quiero que escriba los tweets con hilos y fotos como si lo hubiera escrito en Twitter. La mayoría recortan texto y ponen el link completo (twitter.com/_/status/1592890518647689216)
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@wastemobile ↩️ 測試另一個自架、單人、支援 AcitvityPub 的 microblog。 兼容了 IndieWeb 的主要屬性；登入後台還可直接查找任意聯邦宇宙公民並跟隨，比偏純發文的 WriteFreely 功能多；極簡純文字介面、純 HTML/CSS。 Docker 映像檔目前得自建構稍麻煩，Python + SQLite。 https://docs.microblog.pub/ (twitter.com/_/status/1592896264739647490)
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[Murray] what is js;dr
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Loqi js;dr is JavaScript required; Didn’t Read https://indieweb.org/js;dr
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theadhocracy.co.uk edited /accessibility (+2772) "Adds accessibility overlay section and records some common criticisms" (view diff)
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[Murray] [tantek] ^ let me know if that's vaguely okay placement and tone 😄 there's a lot more I could probably add (and I'll try to dig up some extra sources at some point) but I need to get back to work
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@bewildergeist ↩️ …whereby ‘my’ I mean where I’m at, not that I run the instance. Most of the FOMO is wondering what local timelines you’re missing, but I just learned that those are exposed for public recon at `/public/local`, e.g.: https://indieweb.social/public/local (twitter.com/_/status/1592916204448251904)
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@Casandra_aqui #Apple sued for tracking users' activity even when turned off in settings https://mashable.com/article/apple-data-privacy-collection-lawsuit https://indieweb.social/@elgg/109342381583054911 (twitter.com/_/status/1592917474730991617)
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@JoshuaWithers On the radio: In the future we won’t share our most intimate stories with, and through, the world’s biggest tech companies. Mastodon and blogs might not be the complete indieweb story, but it’s at least in the first or second chapter. https://zpr.io/HkynSMaHkjap (twitter.com/_/status/1592926935121797120)
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[tantek] [Murray]++ LGTM and thanks for that update, since previously we had a thing about that plugin that might have been misleading.
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[tantek] !tell [chrisaldrich] FYI, since you added info about that one WP plugin to the /accessibility page, check out this update: https://indieweb.org/accessibility#Accessibility_Overlays, happy to discuss further
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[Murray] tantek++ thanks, I completely forgot to work out who had added that 😅
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Loqi tantek has 19 karma in this channel over the last year (74 in all channels)
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@RutabagaWriter On Mastodon @Pattyagray@indieweb.social (@joinMastodon). On LinkedIn (reluctantly, suspiciously) as Patty A. Gray. Used @semiphemeral.com to delete all my tweets, retweets, and likes. Have unfollowed everyone (no offense, it was an equal opportunity unfollow). (twitter.com/_/status/1592945216180584450)
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loqi.me created /How_to_Get_Started_on_IndieWeb (+28) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Getting_Started (+137) "add a call-out for How to transition from Twitter near the top for new visitors" (view diff)
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@BitByte_ ↩️ http://indieweb.social could be the perfect fit (twitter.com/_/status/1592946921202941952)
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@zach_perlman https://indieweb.social/@perlman (twitter.com/_/status/1592951967634321410)
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Loqi [Event Updated] marksuth.dev updated "Nov 16, 2022 7:00pm Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" changed description https://events.indieweb.org/event/421/history/1190/diff
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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gRegor what is unlisted
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Loqi unlisted are publicly visible posts that are not included in a homepage or feed(s), and are typically excluded from site search features and broader web search services https://indieweb.org/unlisted
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gregorlove.com edited /unlisted (+140) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ subheadings" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Getting_Started (+6) "hr / fmt" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /unlisted (-82) "/* See Also */ todo todone" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /unlisted (+463) "/* Add yourself! */ +indiebookclub" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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@shanegillio Also come hang with me in the indieweb space @shanegillio@indieweb.social (twitter.com/_/status/1592973293237448704)
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[chrisaldrich] tweetstorm << Spooler, https://tinysubversions.com/spooler/, a reading "tool that turns Twitter threads into blog posts", by Darius Kazemi.
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Loqi ok, I added "Spooler, https://tinysubversions.com/spooler/, a reading "tool that turns Twitter threads into blog posts", by Darius Kazemi." to the "See Also" section of /tweetstorm https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=84418&oldid=84036
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[tantek] [campegg] the home page of indieweb.org should serve as a good "Intro to the Indie Web", if it doesn't then we can and should fix that
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[tantek] [campegg] there's lots we can (and want to) do to improve /Getting_Started. Some of that is in the See Also section there, some of that is in /to-do, and there is the larger effort to provide more clear specific onramps for "most users", "CMS fans", "web developers"
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[tantek] and thirdly, there is the separate doc for current Twitter migrations
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[tantek] what is how to migrate from Twitter
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "how to migrate from Twitter" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "how to migrate from Twitter is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] How to migrate from Twitter is /How_to_transition_from_Twitter
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /How_to_migrate_from_Twitter (+43) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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[tantek] [campegg] ^ interested in helping with any or several of those three?
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[tantek] happy for any kind of contribution / feedback
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@rlullis ↩️ Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere (https://indieweb.org/POSSE) is the idea of having your own site as the main source of content, then sharing then content to whatever social media channels you want to use and reach your audience. (twitter.com/_/status/1592986582323429378)
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@alexis_dems ↩️ moi je suis la https://indieweb.social/public (twitter.com/_/status/1592986270439215104)
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[chrisaldrich] discovery << https://feedle.world/ a search engine for blogs and podcasts
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Loqi ok, I added "https://feedle.world/ a search engine for blogs and podcasts" to the "See Also" section of /discovery https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=84420&oldid=82198
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] tried submitting my Atom feed. Let's see what happens
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[chrisaldrich] I was going to submit something with only h-feed to see what would happen... 😏
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[tantek] they specifically ask for "A link to your blog or podcast's RSS feed" which I presume in good faith means any XML-based sidefile feed
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[tantek] if you really wanted to test their boundaries, try submitting a JSONFeed. cc: [manton] 🙂
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[chrisaldrich] The tough part is that most sites that do these other methods usually support multiple feeds, and they're likely to go to the root domain and find the feed(s) they know how to deal with.
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[campegg] [tantek] (sorry about the delay… working/multitasking 😉) Yep, would be keen to help out. will dive into /Getting_Started first… there are probably many more conversations to be had about the homepage
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[tantek] [campegg]++ thank you! looking forward to it. Working on this stuff collaboratively always feels better
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Loqi [campegg] has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (4 in all channels)
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[tantek] are there really almost 10m Mastodon users? via Blaine: https://mastodon.social/@blaine/109342794497390331
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Loqi [blaine] @tantek.com because we're closing in on 10 million users here, and that was always the goal. 😅(But I'm not here to convince you, because that's never going to happen. Maybe we need to convince browsers to understand acct links, instead?)(Also, hel...
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[jacky] yeah it skyrocketed recently with the recent onboarding
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aaronpk s/users/accounts
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aaronpk i personally have like 6 mastodon accounts in various places from all my testing 😂
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[tantek] lol
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laker i've got... 8? from my 3-4 years on the fediverse
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@Dubitador Los ricos presumen de trabajar más que los currantes, pero claro, ellos se cuentan como "trabajo" cada vez que salen a comer o a cenar porque es "networking" pero a ti no te cuentan el tiempo que pierdes para ir y volver del trabajo, por ejemplo. https://indieweb.social/@PixelRobot/109353528650145016 (twitter.com/_/status/1593002076581335041)
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gRegor when is next-hwc
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gRegor what is next-hwc
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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gRegor ah, right
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gRegor Will plan to drop in tonight
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[aciccarello] I have something else at that time but might join late if it's still going
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@roadup https://indieweb.social/@roadup Frodo heard a sweet singing running in his mind: a song that seemed to come like a pale light behind a grey rain-curtain...until at last it was all rolled back, and a far green country opened before him under a swift sunrise. - JRR Tolkien (twitter.com/_/status/1593019200230293504)
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gRegor what is achievement
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "achievement" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "achievement is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegor what is badge
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Loqi A badge (AKA achievement) is a visual indicator, with a post containing relevant metadata, of completing some sort of accomplishment, usually associated with completing specific tasks within a system that is frequently recognized as "achievement unlocked", or "you unlocked the xyz badge!" https://indieweb.org/badge
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gRegor achievement is /badge
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /achievement (+18) "prompted by gRegor and redirect added by gRegor" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /badge (+570) "/* Silo Examples */ +Github" (view diff)
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[campegg] [tantek] (and anyone else who is interested, of course!) I started an etherpad doc to brainstorm/outline some ideas for /Getting_Started — happy to take on any and all feedback
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[chrisaldrich] rel-me << Instructions for adding rel-me to WordPress for Mastodon verification: https://g13g.blog/2022/11/09/how-to-verify-your-wordpress-site-on-mastodon/
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[campegg] https://etherpad.indieweb.org/Getting_started
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Loqi ok, I added "Instructions for adding rel-me to WordPress for Mastodon verification: https://g13g.blog/2022/11/09/how-to-verify-your-wordpress-site-on-mastodon/" to the "See Also" section of /rel-me https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=84424&oldid=84193
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I prefer this blog https://david.shanske.com/2022/11/14/rel-me-profile-link-verification-on-wordpress-for-mastodon-and-other-services/
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Loqi [David Shanske] With the recent interest in Mastodon, there have been a lot of people using WordPress interested in taking advantage of their rel-me link verification feature. Rel=”me” is a property you can add to links to say that the link represents the same p...
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[chrisaldrich] I prefer that one too GWG, but I supposed it was already on the wiki?
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GWG I'm not sure. I just wrote it