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tantek.com edited /unlisted (+2623) "/* Brainstorming */ add unlisted yet in archives and nav, Strava real world example, IndieWeb brainstorm how they would work, use-case, naming candidates" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+173) "/* more */ + hide from home page and feeds" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Bridgy_Fed (+44) "Stats" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /IndieAuth (+880) "/* IndieAuth Protocol */ added indieauth-metadata to discovery section, moved previous links to back compat, added links to relevant spec sections" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /IndieAuth (-7) "Moved pronouns.page to client examples, duplicate hacdias/indieauth to client libraries list as it’s not a service" (view diff)
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barnaby anyone know whether we have these styles enabled on the wiki, and if not how to get them? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:TOC/limit-styles.css
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barnaby I’d like to try reducing the TOC on /IndieAuth to only top-level items as it’s currently extremely long and wide
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barnaby any objections to converting the per-person headers in the indieweb examples section to a list?
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barnaby none of the current examples have enough additional information to merit a section with header and TOC item, and would be much more compact as a list
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aaronpk seems reasonable
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GWG Slow night
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barnaby having enough examples of something that the list becomes unwieldy is a good problem to have
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /IndieAuth (-302) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ converted to list" (view diff)
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barnaby any objections to doing the same for Providers and Server Implementations? both are similar, long list of items with a link and short description, which IMO is more scannable without section headers and do not require TOC items
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barnaby and also do not need to be linkable on that page, compared to e.g. FAQ items which benefit from having fragment links
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /IndieAuth (-99) "/* IndieAuth Providers */ converted to a list" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /IndieAuth (-213) "/* Server Implementations */ converted to list for readability, moved indiecert to former" (view diff)
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barnaby it’s way more readable like this so I went for it
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /IndieAuth (+119) "/* IndieAuth Clients */ cleaned up list, added bold for consistency with other lists" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /IndieAuth (+1) "/* Client Libraries */ tidied list" (view diff)
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barnaby is there any value in the duplicated Third Party Services and Server Implementations subsections of Auth Endpoint and Token Endpoint under https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth#IndieAuth_Protocol?
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aaronpk ooh actually let's drop the standalone token endpoint references everywhere
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barnaby most of them are duplicated in those two lists, and also in the other lists on the page, and now that the spec puts no emphasis on those endpoints being separate, I think it’s confusing and redundant to repeat them so many times
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barnaby I think that section is valuable as it provides a brief, high-level overview of the protocol which the spec doesn’t really have
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barnaby but IMO listing services and libraries there is redundant and detracts from how useful that section is
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aaronpk could also be an opportunity to add some more context to the spec
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barnaby yep, my first thought on reviewing that page was to try to remove that section entirely, but then I realised that it serves a function that the spec doesn’t (yet)
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barnaby for the moment I’ll just remove the redundant service and library lists
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /IndieAuth () "(-1516) /* IndieAuth Protocol */ removed redundant service and library lists, added additional link to the spec" (view diff)
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barnaby okay I think /IndieAuth is looking much more readable now. feel free to review/tweak
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aaronpk yeah any references to separate auth/token endpoints are fair game to remove at this point, i think we're firmly on the path of tightly coupling them at this point
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tantek.com edited /lulz (+4) "incorporate business-business into other sites" (view diff)
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GWG Nice crowd at the HWC tonight
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tantek.com edited /IndieWeb_for_business (+216) "XKCD 1032" (view diff)
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iorn.org uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:display.jpg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:display.jpg"
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gRegor I'm in etherpad https://etherpad.indieweb.org/2022-11-23-hwc-pacific and it says "Log in to wiki to set" (name) when I click the account icon top right
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aaronpk oh no did that break
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[tantek] ^ same
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tantek.com edited /admin_tax (+54) "Social media services / Mastodon hosting" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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Loqi [New Event] david.shanske.com created "Nov 30, 2022 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club - Pacific" https://events.indieweb.org/ba6Pr0o9rZ7w
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[tw2113_Slack_] interesting https://ooh.directory/
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[tw2113_Slack_] via https://boingboing.net/2022/11/23/a-yahoo-style-directory-of-contemporary-blogs.html
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[tantek] yeah that'll be nice until it gets overwhelmed with spam blogs
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[tantek] and by overwhelmed I mean the person looking at submissions, because presumably they don't auto-add everything to the directory, because that would definitely result in a spam directory quite quickly
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+163) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /unlisted (+291) "/* Add yourself! */ +me" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-176) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /Template:next-hwc (+0) "update next date from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> gRegor I'd be happy with a monthly meetup!
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Can we put something on the calendar?
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aaronpk random thought of the day, i'm pretty sure i'm going to move indielogin.com to login.indieweb.org
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sknebel why?
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aaronpk because i don't want to run it as a public service for logging in to other apps, it's really just for indieweb.org things
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sknebel then that makes sense, yes
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barnaby also cuts down on yearly domain costs ;)
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petermolnar erm - what is #stream in our channels?
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barnaby indieweb search results from twitter
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barnaby it got too noisy for meta with all the indieweb.social-related posts
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aaronpk moved out of this channel a few days ago
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petermolnar I see. Because chat.indieweb.org doesn't seem to have archives on it, is that on purpose?
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aaronpk sure it does https://chat.indieweb.org/stream/
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petermolnar I only see today and dead prev/next buttons
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aaronpk ooh, i bet i need to add a config setting to make the paging work
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aaronpk found it
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aaronpk should work now
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petermolnar yep, it does. thank you4
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petermolnar eh. ! is shift+4 on Hungarian, so it's thank you!
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Loqi [[Comparison_of_software_and_protocols_for_distributed_social_networking]] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_software_and_protocols_for_distributed_social_networking&diff=1123650688&oldid=prev Crouch, Swale: Disambiguating links to Mind (disambiguation) (link changed to Minds (social network)) using DisamAssist.