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loqi.me
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tantek.com
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[tantek]
close friends << Silo Example: [[Instagram]], needs screenshots of UIs: viewing someone’s profile and adding/removing them from your close friends, viewing your list of close friends, and removing or adding to it via suggestions, creating a [[story]] and the two buttons at the bottom to post to "Your story" or "Close Friends".
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Loqi
ok, I added "Silo Example: [[Instagram]], needs screenshots of UIs: viewing someone’s profile and adding/removing them from your close friends, viewing your list of close friends, and removing or adding to it via suggestions, creating a [[story]] and the two buttons at the bottom to post to "Your story" or "Close Friends"." to the "See Also" section of /close_friends https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=84808&oldid=84803
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tantek.com
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[tantek]
hey should we use emoji for different kinds of gifts in the gift calendar?
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tantek.com
edited /2022-12-indieweb-gift-calendar (+32) "new wiki page: close friends, rephrase packaging for Kapowski"
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aaronpk
emoji++
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Loqi
emoji has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek]
cool, will capture a few ideas in Brainstorming
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tantek.com
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[tantek]
there's a few ideas: https://indieweb.org/2022-12-indieweb-gift-calendar#Emoji_gift_kinds — feel free to suggest more or alternatives, especially if you’re working on a gift that doesn’t fit into those gift kinds!
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tantek.com
edited /2022-12-indieweb-gift-calendar (+55) "/* Emoji gift kinds */ more sources, see post types icons"
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tantek.com
edited /🎁 (+4) "update redirect from 2018 to 2022 lol"
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tantek.com
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[tantek]
before someone asks, have we ever created a "feed" for the gift calendar so you can subscribe to seeing new entries for individual days?
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[tantek]
not the same as edits of the page
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[tantek]
specifically `class="cal-day"` elements
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[tantek]
wait, have we previously never posted about the IndieWeb Gift Calendar?!?
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[tantek]
I just posted this and haven't seen it show up in #indieweb-stream https://twitter.com/t/status/1598510963384545280
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@t
🎁 Happy December 1st and welcome to another year of the #IndieWeb Gift Calendar! (inspired by #advent calendars) https://indieweb.org/2022-12-indieweb-gift-calendar Thanks to https://martymcgui.re/ (@schmarty) for our first IndieWeb gift of the month! https://tantek.com/t5N31
(twitter.com/_/status/1598510963384545280)
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[tantek]
as this is very squarely IndieWeb community related, I don't mind proposing RTing it via the account
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Loqi
Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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Loqi
Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-12-02.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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aaronpk
Oh that's a fun idea
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[tantek]
the gift calendar feed?
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[tantek]
yeah I bet if we made a feed out of it, [timothy_chambe] might even make an indieweb.social account for it to auto post there like he has for https://indieweb.social/@thisweekinIndieweb
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tantek.com
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celehner.com
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[jamietanna]
Should #indieweb-stream ignore indieweb.social links? Not sure they necessarily always add value
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[schmarty]
haha that was fast, [jamietanna] . they're the reason we spun out the stream channel from #indieweb-meta 😅
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www.wskearney.com
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Loqi
[New Event] jamesg.blog created "Jan 15, 2023 6:00pm Decentralized Website Communication with Webmention" https://events.indieweb.org/49Mvf9ZDUHzk
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[snarfed]2
https://github.com/aaronpk/Loqi/issues/45 is evergreen, even if it's closed
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jacky.wtf
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aaronpk
[schmarty]: re: this week podcast, I would be happy to work on updates to the newsletter to make things easier for podcast production!
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[schmarty]
🎉 I will look for my notes on ideas I had there!
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GWG
[schmarty]: How about you do the recordings for us to build a custom TTS voice for you, and have it read the newsletter each week?
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GWG
Probably not in budget
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aaronpk
it's surprisingly affordable to do now tho
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GWG
aaronpk: Is it? How much would it cost us to make a [schmarty] voice? Ballpark?
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www.wskearney.com
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aaronpk
$0.006 per second
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aaronpk
!calc 10 minutes * $0.006 per second in dollars
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aaronpk
$3 per 10 minute podcast
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GWG
And some of the recurring pieces wouldn't have to be regenerated each week
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aaronpk
true. i'm not sure the recording part is the hardest part of the process tho :) schmarty has notes
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[schmarty]
recording is the ice cream dessert
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Loqi
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Loqi
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aaronpk
now that tweets are moved to #indieweb-stream, how do we feel about piping in the mastodon "indieweb" search there too?
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://b-ark.ca/2021/08/07/how-i-book-blog.html" to the "See Also" section of /read https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=84848&oldid=82685
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[chrisaldrich]
That seems like a logical idea aaronpk. Depending on how content from indieweb.social goes, filtering out "indieweb.social" as a keyword and focusing on Indieweb specific words/hashtags would obviously help the focus.
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aaronpk
it's actually a search from mastodon.social for the #indieweb tag, not just any mention of indieweb
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Loqi
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[catgirlinspace]
how do i earn karma?
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[schmarty]
catgirlinspace++ it's a little chat feature for folks to give to each other, and sometimes to concepts. twitter--
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Loqi
twitter has -2 karma in this channel over the last year (-5 in all channels)
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Loqi
catgirlinspace has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (2 in all channels)
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[schmarty]
maybe we have a page for this actually.
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[schmarty]
what is karma?
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Loqi
Karma is a community recognition tool used in the IndieWeb community and powered by the friendly bot Loqi https://indieweb.org/Karma
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sknebel
conneg++ (/me checks if sna rfed has a highlight setup by now)
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Loqi
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sknebel
it doesnt really do anything, just a bit of fun
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[schmarty]
conneg-- the voice of snarfed in my head insisted 😂
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Loqi
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Loqi
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[tantek]
I am *for* keeping indieweb.social mentions in #indieweb-stream because they are a useful pulse of: 1. who is moving from Twitter (many tend to be "interesting" names), 2. what content on indieweb.social is relevant enough to percolate to someone taking the effort to repost/reference it on Twitter, 3. is this someone we should invite to IndieWeb chat, HWC, etc.
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aaronpk
i want to try to stop the posts that have an indieweb.social post permalink, i don't mind when it's a mention of someone's profile
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[tantek]
interesting. I'll watch for that distinction to see if there's any difference in relevance
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aaronpk
they tend to be just someone posting something random that gets syndicated to twitter, most of the time they have been completely off topic
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[Murray]
+1 for feeding the hashtag into #indieweb-stream though 🙂 Was actually going to ask about that earlier and forgot, but it feels like there's a lot more relevant conversations happening over on indieweb.social than Twitter at the moment
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Loqi
[iplayitofflegit] Just got off a call with a #backend engineer learning how to code #webcomponents from my book, because yeah I provide support to those who need help. Totally stoked the engineer was understanding the material, just had some extra… https://indieweb....
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aaronpk
sadly the mastodon rss feed doesn't provide author info
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loqi.me
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[tantek]
+1 for feeding the hashtag into #indieweb-stream from frankly both indieweb.social and mastodon.social
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[tantek]
but how do you de-dupe? 🤔
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aaronpk
so the mastodon.social rss feed is all posts that it knows about, not just from that instance
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aaronpk
and since that's the biggest instance, it's effectively a global search
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aaronpk
good enough for now
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aaronpk
hahahaha counterexample to my indieweb.social permalink rule just now
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Loqi
haha
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[tantek]
[timothy_chambe]++ for that timely counter-example, whether it was intentional or not 😄
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Loqi
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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Loqi
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[tantek]
hey, five pages is enough for a category right? https://indieweb.org/Category:hashtags
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aaronpk
oh no i really have to fix the html space issue in parsing mastodon posts
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aaronpk
my parsing is not treating `</p><p>` as adding a newline
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aaronpk
ok let's see how this goes
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[chrisaldrich]
Loqi Y U NO extra chatty with newsletter reminders today?
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[chrisaldrich]
Had to scroll way up to find it... lots of IndieNews this week!
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[chrisaldrich]
community++
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Loqi
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Loqi
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aaronpk
wow a lot of indienews posts this week
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Loqi
[github] Successfully deployed microformats/microformats.io to https://microformats.io
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Loqi
[github] Successfully deployed microformats/microformats.io to https://microformats.io
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[tantek]
I'm going to say [manton]'s post about migrating is significant and relevant enough to add to the Gift Calendar for today.
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[schmarty]
Yessss calendar points!
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aaronpk
we're getting dangerously close to needing a place to post microblog posts on indieweb.org
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[tantek]
separately, aaronpk, the combination of the length of the newsletter (I am lost somewhat scrolling among a bunch of sections that look very similar: heading, bunch of linked subheadings), and the emoji use deep dive for the gift calendar make me think that using emoji instead of list item bullets that are different for each section may provide some implicit context that helps usability / readability
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aaronpk
that's easy enough
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[tantek]
ok I'll propose something!
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[tantek]
aaronpk, and that reminds me, if you're going to add #indieweb from mastodon.social, then why not also #indieweb from micro.blog?
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aaronpk
does that exist?
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[tantek]
hmm I guess I assumed it did?
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[tantek]
I guess I was assuming it existed at https://micro.blog/discover/indieweb
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aaronpk
although theoretically any indieweb posts on micro.blog should already be on mastodon.social
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aaronpk
as long as they are actually tagged properly in the activitypub representation
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[tantek]
aaronpk, not necessarily, only from micro.blog accounts that are followed by someone on mastodon.social
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aaronpk
oh i suppose so
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[tantek]
[manton] is it possible to get a feed of the post results section in https://micro.blog/discover/search?q=indieweb ? e.g. that Loqi to watch and put "indieweb" mentions in the #indieweb-stream channel
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aaronpk
easy enough
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[manton]
One disclaimer: this search does not currently search all posts. It only includes posts that were added to the Discover timeline.
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aaronpk
oh interesting, i guess that's fine tho
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[tantek]
that's totally fine IMO
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aaronpk
probably better that way anyway that way there's been some level of review
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[tantek]
is there some magic opt-in or curation or moderation/approval to be added to the Discover timeline?
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[manton]
I guess Mastodon search is similarly limited, but just based on hashtags.
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aaronpk
i don't know if this is going to cause a burst of posts in the channel
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aaronpk
i think it won't, because the latest is from a week ago
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[manton]
[tantek] It’s manual curation right now. We have some ideas to expand it… Right now it’s essentially designed a slice of recent posts people might find interesting to find folks to follow.
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[tantek]
yeah I think it'll be fine. also #indieweb-stream is fine for a "burst of posts"
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aaronpk
true, less annoying there
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[tantek]
[manton] good to know and also totally fine IMO
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[tantek]
appreciate the care & thinking behind the design of such features. micro.blog++
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Loqi
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Loqi
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[manton]
(One of the design goals with Micro.blog is making it hard to find spam and other random junk… So Discover kind of goes in the opposite direction of that.)
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[tantek]
like I said, very thoughtful. [manton]++
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Loqi
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[manton]
Thanks!
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[tantek]
odd, Slack just expired a bunch of login tokens for me, but not this one
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aaronpk
first mastodon posts showed up in #indieweb-stream
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aaronpk
the RSS view of mastodon is super lossy
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Loqi
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Loqi
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aaronpk
fyi I just stopped autolinking @-names in the logs to twitter.com, except for if they are in actual tweets
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[tantek]
oh that's interesting and likely a good idea
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aaronpk
was already getting false positives now
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[tantek]
makes sense
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[tantek]
aaronpk, can we have an allowlist of indieweb.social accounts for their permalink references to make it through the filter into #indieweb-stream?
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aaronpk
i haven't blocked them yet
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aaronpk
but yes that could be a solution
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Loqi
[preview] Tim Chambers
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[catgirlinspace]
what's considered a good indienews post? like, would this fit or no? https://catgirlin.space/posts/moving-to-the-fediverse-and-indieweb/
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[tantek]
would totally fit!
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[catgirlinspace]
ok cool, will add a webmention thing
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[tantek]
I feel like there's enough of them that it maybe worth starting an "indieweb 🤝 fediverse" series or maybe I'll just do a summary post. e.g. your post [catgirlinspace] and [benatwork]'s post (and maybe my own TwitterMigration post as last)
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[catgirlinspace]
also weird, slack sent it twice or me
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[catgirlinspace]
oh wait one of the messages is gray, like it's trying to send?? confusing.
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Loqi
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aaronpk
ChatGPT
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Loqi
[preview] “Write a rock song about Micro.blog” @manton we got your theme song, here. Can you write the chords, @macgenie ?
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[catgirlinspace]
can this be made into a real song pls?
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[schmarty]
you can ask chatgpt to write you a chord progression for it as well. it knows what guitar tabs look like (even if it doesn't know what they are)
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Loqi
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Loqi
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[tantek]
ideas for some temporary prominent placement of the 🎁 IndieWeb Gift Calendar on the home page of https://indieweb.org/ ?
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aaronpk
above translations? or is that too far down?
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tantek.com
edited /2022-12-indieweb-gift-calendar (+189) "linktext microcopy edit, one link per gift, add Manton's moving post, new cat hashtag!"
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[tantek]
aaronpk, way too far down. it's seasonal, kind of like used to have "join us at IndieWebCamp!" banners for the next upcoming IndieWebCamp to go sign-up
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aaronpk
in that case, above HWC
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[tantek]
not sure we ever redid the banner announcement feature for the new home page design
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[tantek]
it was literally a callout at the top
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aaronpk
it was previously hacked in to the theme
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[tantek]
would have to dig through Internet Archive
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Loqi
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[tantek]
that needs to be a diagram or even a key part of a new social web map
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Loqi
[preview] [Chris Aldrich] @tbeseda @tchambers At a base level, the Fediverse is a subset within the bigger IndieWeb. Parts of the Fediverse, have and support some of the IndieWeb building blocks, but none that I'm aware of support them all. Example: Mastodon has microformats ...
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Loqi
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[tantek]
^ that looks A LOT like someone's blog post / long noteon the matter
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[tantek]
long note* on
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[tantek]
I've seen a bunch of / most of that text before
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[chrisaldrich]
Things are busy for another week or two, but one of my holiday plans is to flesh out a Venn diagram and long discussion of that IndieWeb/Fediverse conversation... Though this shouldn't deter others from writing up their ideas of the same.
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[tantek]
ok cool glad to hear it
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[tantek]
what is social web map
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Loqi
The social web map is a metaphoric map of social web sites, from fully indieweb to silos, representing their relationships, sizes, levels of IndieMark accomplishment (or site-death) and any other axes of interesting details we can capture https://indieweb.org/social_web_map
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tantek.com
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[tantek]
[chrisaldrich] to move this collaboration somewhere async, I started this with your post as inspiration: https://indieweb.org/social_web_map#2022
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[tantek]
we (and anyone else who would like) can iterate there
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[tantek]
[snarfed]++ for today's first IndieWeb Gift Calendar gift!
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Loqi
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[tantek]
also for the 1970s era context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benji
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sknebel
you need a quicker way to post text-pastes :D
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aaronpk
indeed
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[tantek]
from Firefox:
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[tantek]
"Copy Text From Image" right-click menu
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[tantek]
> Hey guys, I'm here to tell you about the IndieWeb and how it's the greatest thing since sliced bread! Now, I know some of you might be thinking, "But what is the IndieWeb?" Let me tell you, it's a movement that's all about owning your own data, having control over your own content, and connecting with others in a more meaningful way. And let me tell you, it's f**king awesome! No more relying on big corporations to store your data,
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[tantek]
no more being at the mercy of their algorithms, no more worrying about your privacy being violated. With the IndieWeb, you have control over your own online presence. You can post whatever you want, whenever you want, and it's all on your own domain. You can even connect with others through webmentions and create a network of truly independent websites. But that's not all. The IndieWeb is also about building a more inclusive and
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[tantek]
open web. It's about creating a space where anyone can participate and contribute, regardless of their technical ability or resources. And let me tell you, it's a game-changer. With the IndieWeb, you can truly be yourself online, without worrying about being marginalized. You can connect with others who share your interests and passions, and build a community that's truly your own. So if you're tired of being at the mercy of big
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[tantek]
tech companies, if you want to take control of your own online presence, if you want to be a part of building a more open and inclusive web, then the IndieWeb is for you! Thanks for coming to my TED Talk!
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[benji]
[tantek] haha somehow I didn't know about that first link but that fits perfectly
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[tantek]
[benji]++ welcome 🙂
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Loqi
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tiim.ch
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Loqi
Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-12-02.html
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Loqi
Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-12-02.html
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tantek.com
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[tantek]
^ aaronpk just for you
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aaronpk
too many things today! I should have saved that for tomorrow
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[schmarty]
it's tomorrow somewhere!
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aaronpk
i can write about it tomorrow
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[tantek]
right aaronpk, today’s the “soft launch” to shake out any bugs
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[tantek]
We’re you able to get Microblog results too?
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[tantek]
Were* thanks autocorrect
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aaronpk
yep and more
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[tantek]
That’s worth a blog post for sure
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[tantek]
Now we need a sample test post on microblog that shows up in #indieweb-stream
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[catgirlinspace]
does the wiki not have talk pages or something/
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tantek.com
edited /hashtags (+180) "see related pages including cat hashtags"
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sknebel
no, it hasnt
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sknebel
we either discuss in chat or put perspectives on the wikipage itself
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tantek.com
edited /2022-12-indieweb-gift-calendar (+84) "this week in the indieweb today also!"
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