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tantek.com edited /bluesky (+189) "incorporate SA into new sections" (view diff)
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[tantek] Oh hey this counts as an IndieWeb related event: https://www.meetup.com/EFF-Austin/events/nltdcrydcqbrb/
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tantek.com edited /2022-12-indieweb-gift-calendar (+120) "EFF Austin event tonight too" (view diff)
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[tantek] Oh hey it's live now! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh3jszd0RrI
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[tantek] [manton] you at this ^ ?
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aaronpk hey i recognize that room
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[tantek] lol
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[tantek] GWG you may be interested in watching ^
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GWG I'll see if the plane can support it
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[tantek] lol aaronpk they're talking about problems you've run into 😂
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Loqi [[Micro.blog]] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Micro.blog&diff=1127317101&oldid=prev 115.31.179.246: /* Client applications */Added content
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GWG [tantek]: What did I miss?
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[manton] [tantek] Nope, I couldn’t make it! Hope it’s going well.
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GWG [manton]: I think Tom needs to update his bio about recently attending indiewebcamps
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GWG Not that I don't wish it was true
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[tantek] GWG see that youtube link, it's still live now!
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GWG I'm watching it as I ascend
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[tantek] nice
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[tantek] POSSE mention!
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[tantek] Bridgy mention! For POSSEing to Mastodon
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[tantek] Webmention -> ActivityPub
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[tantek] oooh re-request for Mastodon to support Webmention!
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[tantek] and have Mastodon receive Webmentions
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[tantek] [manton] lots of mentions of you
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[tantek] running the 3 IndieWebCamp Austins
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[tantek] micro.blog description of ActivityPub support and lots of kind words
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[tantek] "it talks IndieWeb and ActivityPub"
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[tantek] Homebrew Website meetups became IndieWeb meetups in 2020 in Austin
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[tantek] aww Diaspora mention, wondering if it's still running
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[tantek] what is WT.Social?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "WT.Social" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "WT.Social is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] someone brought it up in the meetup, anyone heard of https://wt.social/ or any experience with it?
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[tantek] "closest thing to the old OpenID 2.0 is IndieAuth which the IndieWeb community uses"
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[tantek] There's OpenID Connect which has nothing to do with the old OpenID 2.0
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[tantek] "I get the feeling that Solid is still in sorta the ideation phase"
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GWG I still think Indieauth has applications for people who don't care about other Indieweb principles
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GWG When people say federation I wonder when Starfleet is coming
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[tantek] GWG, same tbh
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GWG i think things have gotten slow at this meetup
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[tantek] so here's a conceptual question, if there was a joinindieweb site (similar to say joinmastodon.org/servers) what would it show at /servers ? Just micro.blog?
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[tantek] the assumption is a place where you could just go "sign-up" then you would be "on" the IndieWeb at a meaningful level (like no this is not just another place to start a blog which no one discovers)
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[tantek] GWG, yeah it's gotten a bit punchy
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started#IndieWeb_Services
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aaronpk that says: micro.blog, blogger, wordpress
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aaronpk but again i think the answer to this question comes down to what we mean by "be on the indieweb"
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aaronpk because any web host with a website builder should count really
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[schmarty] this is hitting the problem of different definitions of IndieWeb, again.
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[tantek] this is the problem of trying to be broadly appealing vs it being so broad as to be meaningless
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barnaby well, if you want to compare UX to joinmastodon/servers then those services are the closest thing. You can run mastodon yourself too, but that’s not what joinmastodon is for
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[schmarty] "on the IndieWeb means i am owning my content on my own domain" covers a ton of hosting options. but as soon as you want to expand that definition to include "more IndieWeb" a lot of things like website builders stop being meaningful options.
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[tantek] if "IndieWeb" just means "have a blog and a domain" then it's a nearly meaningless marketing term, so I think we have to reject that simplistic a definition
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[tantek] the problem with blogger.com, wordpress.com, or random website builders is that they get you to a certain point, and then you hit a very hard ceiling
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GWG Maybe we need a scale?
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aaronpk hmm, interestingly the 2nd point on the home page does suggest something beyond simple website builders
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[tantek] I am more and more leaning towards NOT directing people along paths (especially in any kind of "Getting Started") that will lead them to a dead end
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aaronpk "you are better connected"
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[tantek] GWG, yes, a scale, and that's literally what IndieMark is
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GWG On the Indieweb, integrated with the Indieweb...Indieweb adjacent...
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GWG [tantek]: I know
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aaronpk tho "you are better connected" is mostly talking about backfeed
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[tantek] aaronpk, right, and that was correct as of 2014
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[tantek] when we wrote that
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GWG I just think the numeric might need a textual description
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[tantek] today, "you are better connected", means a lot more
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aaronpk heh
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M0x3b0b[m] ...I might have missed something, did they just discover they have a mastodon server most of them didn't know about or what?
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[tantek] I closed the tab, it went quite off topic
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aaronpk next time i walk out of a barcamp room i'm going to refer to it as "closing the tab"
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aaronpk oh wait, "closing the tab" also has a different meaning in the context of actual bars
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[tantek] I was waiting for that connection
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M0x3b0b[m] Fari enough. Also, as someone who just finally got around to doing something (and tracking y'all down again, it's embarrassing how long I was in the old channels thinking gosh it's quiet these days) after several years of thinking "you know, I should do indieweb stuff someday:" I remember having the impression at one point that the most important first thing was to start using microformats, and at another point that the most
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M0x3b0b[m] important thing was to hook my stuff up under my own domain (or at least subdomain), but I didn't really get hung up on that because I was planning to do both anyway. However, I could imagine, from the perspective of someone looking for the same kind of answer as they wanted to the question "how do I get started in the Fediverse," that the crucial part of getting started with Indieweb might be reaching the point where they could send
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M0x3b0b[m] and receive webmentions...
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> tantek: i get emails from it but it's like a less aggressively conservative platform compared to an extreme one like Parler or Gettr
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Loqi [Event Updated] marksuth.dev updated "Dec 14, 2022 7:00pm Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" changed description https://events.indieweb.org/event/429/history/1202/diff
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed microformats/microformats.io to https://microformats.io
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Loqi [Event Updated] ragt.ag updated "Dec 14, 2022 7:00pm Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" changed end_time https://events.indieweb.org/event/429/history/1203/diff
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+1241) "/* Upcoming */ +Revue, dates, citation, link to download" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+87) "mv reading.am to 2022 section, note open source now" (view diff)
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tbbrown we had a good turnout at the effaustin meetup last night (as noted, in the same room as indiewebcamp austin). i will follow up with a link to the archived video when it becomes available.
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tbbrown fwiw, slides are temporarily here: https://effaustin.ngrok.io/
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GWG tbbrown: Your bio could use an update
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tbbrown indeed. they used the one from the last time i gave a talk!
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