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qubyte.codes edited /User:Qubyte.codes (+3291) "Added some info." (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /footnote (+104) "found another case for recognizing a ref to link" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /footnote (+18) "SA post footer" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /glossary (+143) "Posts" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /footnote (+128) "one regex to detect both refs & notes usages, use code to distinguish after" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /related_articles (+28) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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[tantek] what is metacrap
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Loqi metacrap is a general purpose derogatory term referring to the poor quality of meta information like those in meta tags category, description, OGP, Twitter Cards, and other DRY violations outside the primary content of a page, introduced in a 2001 essay by Cory Doctorow https://indieweb.org/metacrap
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[tantek] metacrap << Wikipedia used to have an article on metacrap, which has subsequently been changed into a barely applicable redirect. See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Metacrap&oldid=830562352 for the latest actual Wikipedia metacrap article content, and consider if the issues noted there can be resolved with citations.
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Loqi ok, I added "Wikipedia used to have an article on metacrap, which has subsequently been changed into a barely applicable redirect. See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Metacrap&oldid=830562352 for the latest actual Wikipedia metacrap article content, and consider if the issues noted there can be resolved with citations." to the "See Also" section of /metacrap https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=86552&oldid=73939
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[tantek] metacrap << ^ There are some good citations and advice for improving the Wikipedia metacrap article on its Talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Metacrap
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Loqi ok, I added "^ There are some good citations and advice for improving the Wikipedia metacrap article on its Talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Metacrap" to the "See Also" section of /metacrap https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=86553&oldid=86552
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capjamesg I removed a lot of metacrap from my site. I think you were the one who inspired me [tantek].
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[tantek] capjamesg, did you blog about it when you did it and your reasons for doing so?
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capjamesg I didn't blog about it. I saw how big my <head> tag was and I wasn't happy.
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capjamesg A lot of repeated information.
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[tantek] if you have the old version lying around, you could still blog about it! we definitely like to encourage folks to write about when they make explicit improvements and changes to their personal sites with the reasoning for doing so, even after the fact
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[tantek] it's one of the ways we help capture community lessons (re)learned and work towards better practices, with *real world examples* which are far more interesting and provide empirical data points for otherwise theoretical assertions about what is better or brainstorms about what should be done
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[tantek] And yes, being unhappy about the "how big my <head> tag was" is reasonable motivation 🙂
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gRegor huh, I thought we had a page with at least one example of old post warnings but I can't find it
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[tantek] thanks for shifting the convo here gRegor
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[tantek] any alternative thoughts on naming such a page? from https://chat.indieweb.org/2023-02-07#t1675802830228100
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Loqi [preview] [[tantek]] is "old post warning" good enough of a name for now? (See other possibilities / examples above)
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gRegor I might be thinking of a convo at HWC or something
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gRegor Sounds good at first glance, haven't had a chance to more than skim the convo yet
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[tantek] yes we've definitely discussed it at HWC Pacific at some point. might be in archived notes
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[tantek] ok I'll summarize
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[tantek] summary of past names: "Old Post Alert" (WP plugin), "old post notification" from an article, "Out of Date" — from name of plugin DX Out of Date, "old post message/warning/disclaimer" — from a post about adding the feature to Hugo
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gRegor old post warning seems the most general purpose
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[aciccarello] I have draft page warnings. I don't know if you'd want a more general page or specific to dates
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[aciccarello] That probably could be documented on the /draft page
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[tantek] there's enough examples (visual display diversity), and it's got its own use-cases / problems that it's solving that I think it's worth its own page
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[tantek] what is a draft
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Loqi A draft in the context of the indieweb refers to a draft post, a post that an author has partially written, or otherwise does not consider finished https://indieweb.org/draft
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[tantek] aciccarello, I wonder if "public draft" is an interesting enough special case of a "draft" that it is worth its own page
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[tantek] because it has very different needs / constraints (and examples) than just "drafts" in general which tend to be a private (to the author) thing
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[aciccarello] I could add it to brainstorming
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[tantek] sure, that's never a bad idea
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[tantek] point being, a "public draft" is a thing that already exists in practice on lots of websites,
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[aciccarello] specifically the brainstorming section on /draft (if that wasn't clear)
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[tantek] yes
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[aciccarello] Actually I already have some content on that page. I'll organize it in a way that is more informative.
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[tantek] awesome. yes pre-organizing content on a page is a good step towards extracting it to make a new page if there is sufficient critical mass of related content
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www.ciccarello.me edited /draft (+675) "/* Brainstorming */ add public drafts section" (view diff)
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www.ciccarello.me edited /draft (+180) "/* Indieweb Examples */ add ciccarello.me example" (view diff)
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[tantek] folks interested in social web related history may find these notes interesting (note the year) https://www.w3.org/wiki/SocialWebCampW3CTrack
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[tantek] link via https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Apr/0013.html
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[tantek] Another possible source for items of /timeline history: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/ (semi-related: perhaps a good example for why the IndieWeb does not have an email list. would be interesting to find/document the things on that list that people built that are running / relevant on anything "Social Web" related today, or the derivative works thereof.
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[tantek] at least hCard & hCalendar were mentioned in https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009May/0025.html
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[tantek] also: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-federatedsocialweb/
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+32) "finish add" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /footnote (+600) "document examples of "[1]" style footnotes in blog post and other examples (since 1995 at least)" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /footnote (+811) "Why: enhance reader-focus save space in POSSE copies, add yourself to examples" (view diff)