#meta 2023-04-16

2023-04-16 UTC
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GWG angelo: Did you decide on when the next HWC America would be?
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angelo gwg no we didn't
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GWG angelo: Should we?
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angelo personally i'd like to leave the first and third wednesdays of the month open
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angelo so i'll commit to the 26th but might still show to the 19th
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GWG I'm free on the 19th, but in Ireland the following 2
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petermolnar !tell aaronpk I'd still like to transfer that discord bridge
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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loqi.me created /eat_your_own_dog_food (+20) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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[tantek] !tell [timothy_chambe] did you park https://indieweb.social/@indieweb for the community by chance? if so, it would be great to figure out some shared way to post to it, e.g. via !rt commands to Loqi here in chat (which require 2+ !rt in reasonably quick succession from different people to post)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [preview] Me
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-188) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /Template:next-hwc (+0) "update next date from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] do we need to make a short run of "ANTI-MARKDOWN PLAINTEXT CLUB" shirts?
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[KevinMarks] It can have a nested bulleted list and have them all come out different?
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[tantek] or just randomly placed "!" and "()" and "[]" ?
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[tantek] ANTI-(MARKDOWN) [PLAINTEXT] !CLUB
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I like markdown
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> markdown++
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Loqi markdown has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (0 in all channels)
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> How is that possible?
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Both the number inconsistency and the low number 🙃
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[tantek] because Markdown is a lie
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[tantek] "Markdown" isn't really "down" it's more "Markdifferent"
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Is there a more minimal markup?
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[tantek] That, capjamesg, is the right question.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Do you have an answer [tantek]?
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I was singing your praises over the footnote trick I learned from your blog at HWC yesterday [tantek].
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> In-line structure matters a lot to me.
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[tantek] amazing and thank you! do you think that "footnote trick" is worth adding to https://indieweb.org/footnote#Why as a good reason for authors to use footnotes while writing?
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[tantek] capjamesg, yes, I'm working on an answer in progress, cited here: https://indieweb.org/markdown#Alternatives
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Yes.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I can’t right now as I am on a train/
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Feel free to add it or I shall later!
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[tantek] hah I am on a train right now too 😛
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I am on the part of the train with one bar of 4G connectivity.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> This specific part of the track is not a good one for things that require persistent connections like writing in Google Docs or taking calls.
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[tantek] capjamesg, in that case see my rethinking of Markdown because a cleaner plain text world is possible
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> The before for headings doesn’t look right.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> You don’t need closing hashtags for hearings.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> *headings
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Also, I have gotten used to using underlines for italics.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> he says while typing on a phone
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Ah, come on! I added spaces to try and evade the auto italics on Discord.
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[tantek] You can "get used to" all kinds of garbage. That doesn't mean it's correct. That just means you've become numb to the pollution
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> That’s fair. But I think italics for underlines are a bit more broadly used.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Example: in some chat apps, like Discord and maybe Slack.
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[tantek] Point being, underline doesn't mean italics in plain text, thus it violates the Markdown prime directive and should be rejected
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[tantek] I should put that phrase in my wiki page
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> What is the markdown prime directive?
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[tantek] Lol glad Loqi isn't answering that right now
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Haha.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> My question stands however 😉
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[tantek] Like I said, will add it to my wiki page which already quotes the Markdown prime directive but not by that name
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Oh I see.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I jumped straight to the table 🙃
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[tantek] Hey this Markdown stuff is #indieweb-dev talk
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[tantek] Meanwhile I have donuts waiting for IndieWeb meetup folks
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[tantek] https://chat-uploads.indieweb.org/files/2023/04/meta-20230416-145014-img_6880.jpg
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[tantek] ^ curious who on IRC or other non-Slack networks/clients can see that image
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[tantek] capjamesg, just to close the loop on the Markdown Prime Directive, here you go: https://tantek.com/w/Markdown#PrimeDirective
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[jeremycherfas] So do I. Markdown++
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Loqi Markdown has 2 karma in this channel over the last year (1 in all channels)
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Apr 16, 2023 4:30pm btconf IndieWeb meetup" changed end_time "wrapped up" https://events.indieweb.org/event/465/history/1283/diff
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capjamesg [tantek] Agreed to "just use HTML" when your markup starts expanding in scope.
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[tantek] When your markdown becomes more plain text pollution than punctuation, just use HTML
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> +1
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