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2023-04-17 UTC
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tantek.com edited /blogging (-7) "incorporate SA posts, restructure posts about blogging and shorter subheads" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de posts edited /Planning (+34) "/* Berlin */ +$me" (view diff)
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[tantek] 🙂
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sknebel (had to check, but yes, that weekend is right after a string of weekends that are already booked :D)
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sknebel [tantek]: the venue from last time (Thoughtworks) is worth asking again IMHO. but I'm guessing Joschi already told you that :D
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[tantek] sknebel yes and sort of! Joschi noted that the literal venue from last time I think is gone because they moved but they may have a new venue possibility
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sknebel oh, huh
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[tantek] looking into multiple possibilities so we can maybe choose depending on number of people, or convenience of venue, or features (rooms with windows that open vs internal rooms without windows) etc.
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[tantek] btw I'm masking inside the Capitol Theatre at btconf and maybe 1% of us here are doing so
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sknebel not surprised :/
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sknebel I had offered joschi my employers office as a fallback last time. its still an option assuming it stays a smaller event, but not ideal.
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[tantek] right, similarly I'm going to ask about Mozilla Berlin while I'm here (last I heard we were not hosting any community events but doesn't hurt to ask again)
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[tantek] I can't figure out how to get current daily/weekly case counts for Düsseldorf, or Berlin
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[chrisbergr] covid case counts?
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[tantek] yes
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[chrisbergr] https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4/page/page_1/
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[tantek] if there are current / live links for those, we should add them to our cities pages
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sknebel https://data.lageso.de/lageso/corona/corona.html#fallzahlen for Berlin (cant find an english one right now), also has the water monitoring data
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[tantek] water monitoring is good. also German-only is much better than nothing, and is more important for local attendees anyway
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[tantek] Berlin << live Covid case counts per day/week: https://data.lageso.de/lageso/corona/corona.html#fallzahlen
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Loqi ok, I added "live Covid case counts per day/week: https://data.lageso.de/lageso/corona/corona.html#fallzahlen" to the "See Also" section of /Berlin https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=87503&oldid=83055
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capjamesg The group photo from HWC this weekend is now on the events page: https://events.indieweb.org/2023/04/galactic-bonus-homebrew-website-club-AgtRDfERlbfx
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alexsirac.com edited /ai;dr (+139) "+ the issue of AI-generated posts having great SEO" (view diff)
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bkil I think it is against the terms of service to publish AI-generated content. But also, the solution is the same as against spam: use word of mouth (i.e., scale with the web of trust).
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> For Google, they prioritize “quality”.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> How they measure that is another long story, and I’m not sure what their AI guidelines are.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> https://developers.google.com/search/blog/2023/02/google-search-and-ai-content
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> “Rewarding high-quality content, however it is produced”
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bkil Let's make a step backwords. Which search engine do you guys use and why?
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[tantek] What is search
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Loqi 🔍 search in the IndieWeb usually refers to searching your personal site for your own content (and/or caches of content you’ve responded to), sometimes searching IndieWeb chat archives or the IndieWeb wiki, or the nascent IndieWeb Search index and service to search across community posts https://indieweb.org/search
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[tantek] bkil, see IndieWeb Examples there ^
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[tantek] Which search engine do you use on your personal site?
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tantek.com edited /User:Tantek.com (+174) "add Authoring practices summary" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /User:Tantek.com (+84) "make authoring practices its own section for linking" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /why (+105) "/* More robust */ link forward to a solution" (view diff)
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bkil gRegor: So the following came up in #dev with [tantek] . We search the wiki every now and then, and the answers don't always come easily. Would it be possible to improve both portal search performance and external SEO? Some brainstorming: include a dedicated section on each page where "hashtag" like phrases or synonyms could be typed in as commonly seen in scientific publication. This might be especially beneficial for very short, stub articles. Sorting pages
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bkil to one or more wiki categories might also help discovery, but that's a different use case.
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tantek.com edited /garden_and_stream (+44) "more key see alsos" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+131) "note a couple more posts in general features, related to the timeline/spectrum of creating/editing/publishing, scheduled posts, delayed publication in Atom feed" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /footnote (+214) "/* Why footnotes instead of hyperlinks */" (view diff)
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> [tantek] Done!
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[tantek] capjamesg++ thank you! Techniques for staying in a flow state while writing hypertext are greatly appreciated!
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Loqi capjamesg has 23 karma in this channel over the last year (88 in all channels)
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Do you have any more techniques [tantek]?
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[campegg] [capjamesg] [tantek] I'll concede that footnotes might be less of a distraction when *writing*, but maintain that having to parse superscript characters (or even worse, ^n notation) in something you're *reading* is more distracting than an inline link. Does the argument that "it's better for writing" supersede "it's better for reading"? #teaminlinelinks4lyfe
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bkil 8560 hours until CSS Naked Day https://indieweb.org/CSS_Naked_Day
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2024-04-08 11:27am UTC (#7031)
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I haven’t seen the 4lyfe phrasing for a while.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> 4lyfe++
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> [campegg] That is a fair argument.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> There are also accessibility concerns that I have not yet thought about in depth.
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[campegg] I hadn't considered the a11y side of things, but yeah, you're right
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[tantek] I think smaller hyperlinks communicate that it can be skipped til later so less distracting than giant blue links that might highlight on hover and tempt you to click
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[tantek] Or accidentally click
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[tantek] I am curious how Unicode footnotes sound in screen readers
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[campegg] This is true. But to play devil's advocate here, links can be styled to be less obtrusive (while not completely unobtrusive), but a superscript character is always going to sit in the reader's eyeline
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[campegg] The accidental click is a real thing, though
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[campegg] Also, just for the the record, I am not completely anti-footnote 🙂
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[tantek] The devil never needs an advocate :p
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capjamesg :D
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[KevinMarks] The click target on a superscript can be a bit small - I have that problem on kindle a lot
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tantek.com edited /Category:jargon (+58) "sanitize, sanitizing, SEO-bait, YaCy" (view diff)
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