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bkil Let me share a recent story about discoverability on the wiki. I wanted to find indieweb.org/architecture_astronomy that is mocking the age old en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_paralysis . This happened a few hours before it came up on chat and just a few weeks after I last stumbled across it when reading something else. You first try to search for synonyms, concepts in its vicinity, established technical terms, and failing that, come up with
# bkil related articles that should have links towards what you want to search for. Unfortunately, I've read too many articles from the wiki over the last decade, hence could recall a huge random set from its "fluid" and "vivid" vocabulary. Pages I tried to scan interconnecting links for without success: reuse, principles, practical solution, YAGNI, make what you need, use what you make, eat what you cook, cook what you want,
# bkil scratch your own itch, selfdogfood, design, design-satire, lulz, analysis, design patterns, Category:building-blocks. Search queries I've tried: analysis paralysis, rocket science, spaceship, Death Star, space, overthinking, overengineer, overengineering, complicated, overcomplicate, practical, implement, implementation, itch, planning, brainstorm, brainstorming, creativity, innovation (this got me to "marchitecture" that linked to the final answer!)
# bkil Existing incoming links that I would not have thought of to check for breadcrumbs: extensions, SOAP, object-oriented-programming-antipattern, HTTPRange-14, proof of work, DOI, issue tracker, relevant to the IndieWeb wiki, chat (architecture astronaut). Page that I actually visited both in the past and during the quest, but as it was too long to scan and the link was buried in the "see also" section without any context or keyword: antipatterns.
# bkil I think I've also searched for abstraction, but the page title match of the redirect missing a preview probably confused me and I overlooked it here. Incoming links that I "should have known all along", but would probably assume me already knowing what I want to search for: would be nice (redirect to YAGNI?), architects, architecture (but also, it's usually the abstraction and the implementation that is overengineered).
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Loqi 🚩 antipatterns are antithetical to a diverse and growing indieweb, often times the opposite, or at best a distraction from indieweb principles and building-blocks, yet persistently repeated despite their tendency to waste time and cause failures https://indieweb.org/antipatterns
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[tantek] to-do << garden the [[antipatterns]] page so it is easier to skim / navigate and easily discover / reference existing anti-patterns
# Loqi ok, I added "garden the [[antipatterns]] page so it is easier to skim / navigate and easily discover / reference existing anti-patterns" to the "See Also" section of /to-do https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=87727&oldid=87556
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loqi.me created /overengineered (+35) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
# loqi.me created /overengineer (+35) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
# bkil I find it odd how wiki search can't find substring matches within such a small knowledge base. The search result page also mostly outputs as context the line in which the occurrence is present on the given page. Thus, the convention of listing bare links on a page to other pages under a "misc" heading makes it more difficult to see how any given match is relevant. I view this a data problem, not an engine problem in this case.
# bkil I see that stemming is actually supported https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:CirrusSearch#Words,_phrases,_and_modifiers
# bkil I also understand that you dislike invisible metadata, but just putting out there that such an option also exists: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:YetAnotherKeywords https://indieweb.org/antipatterns#invisible_metadata
# bkil There's a recommendation here for copying over citation between pages https://indieweb.org/to-do#Improve_Why_Explanation
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kmfstudiosarchives.neocities.org created /Template:KMF (+167) "Created page with "<span class="h-card" style="white-space:nowrap">
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# kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-186) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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# Loqi [[Comparison_of_software_and_protocols_for_distributed_social_networking]] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_software_and_protocols_for_distributed_social_networking&diff=1153164668&oldid=prev Pavel Nedrigailov: Buddycloud moved to stale projects
# Loqi [[Comparison_of_software_and_protocols_for_distributed_social_networking]] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_software_and_protocols_for_distributed_social_networking&diff=1153170165&oldid=prev Bkil: archive Diatum, Aether, Multichan, Twister, Zap
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# [tantek] before someone decides to be http://indieweb.org on Bluesky
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "xrpc" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "xrpc is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek.com moved /bluesky to /Bluesky "canonical cap per their website"
# [tantek] capjamesg, since you're keen on Bluesky, perhaps you could expand (or rewrite!) https://indieweb.org/Bluesky#Why ? I wanted to capture something that feels in alignment with IndieWeb reasons
# [tantek] aaronpk, any tips or braindump you have for https://indieweb.org/Bluesky#How_to_POSSE would be appreciated
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capjamesg POSSE with https://github.com/capjamesg/pyatproto :P
# [tantek] capjamesg are you using pyatproto yourself? can you add yourself and how you're using it to https://indieweb.org/Bluesky#IndieWeb_Examples
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# bkil ASCII-art cat then please.
# bkil I'd definitely associate mushrooms with stoners. Not sure how far that lies from the truth, though. Bees are more harmless, but then why not consider 🐝 🕸️. Or more fittingly 🧑🎓 🤓 🕸️ ✍️ 🚧 📚️
# bkil Cats designing websites together on a blackboard using a triangular ruler may work. Or a cat postman delivering letters containing webpages between cats. How you can compactly depict a webpage is an open question, though. 🚧 came from here, but could be a letter, an input field and a submit button https://hover.blog/10-things-that-used-to-be-on-every-website-that-you-totally-forgot-about/
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[KevinMarks] That page would be more fun if the images loaded
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aaronpk cats designing websites together on a blackboard https://media.aaronpk.com/2023/05/04140457-8949.png
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# bkil [KevinMarks]: Sorry, I didn't know you were browsing with images enabled. How about this one? https://web.archive.org/web/20151213090717/www.hover.com/blog/10-things-that-used-to-be-on-every-website-that-you-totally-forgot-about https://pavellaptev.github.io/web-dark-ages/
# bkil aaronpk: Thanks for the pics. Nice pussy, by the way.
# bkil Adding retro disco vibes was a nice touch as well, as handmade websites are also mostly filling a retro niche.
# bkil What are you guys looking for, a favicon, bookmark/app icon, a new wide banner logo on the page, graphics to print on t-shirts, business cards and fliers, manufacturing the mascot as physical gift in a web shop or something else?
# bkil Some accessories to consider in the workshop of a web developer: standing desk, coffee mug, rulers, calibrated color palette booklet or leaflet, multi-screen setups, monitor hoods, wall-mounted CI, USB alerting alarm light & deploy button, mobile test devices of various sizes, a wifi router, a server, a printer, a pen graphics tablet, magnifying glass, color filter plates, dictionaries and grammar books, headphones or speakers, a wheelchair, sticky notes on a
# bkil blackboard for kanban, a wall clock, a pocket stopwatch, a desktop agile countdown clock, a sofa, exercise ball, bean bag, back spacer, leg rest, hand fiddlers, HTML tags on the blackboard, ...
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gregorlove.com edited /Popups (-10) "r to general pop-ups page instead of category, consistent with /popup redirect" (view diff)
# bkil aaronpk: Wow, you're really good at this! Nice touch with the clouds, spreadsheets, traffic plots and the intern! aaronpk++
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# [tantek] it takes a lot of branding/marketing dollars to create meaning in a symbol not obviously related to an effort, product, organization, so unless there are aspects of a plant/animal etc. that directly evoke "IndieWeb", IMO it's not worth pursuing them. e.g. what is IndieWeb about a dragonfly or its behavior?
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# gregorlove.com edited /Mastodon (+78) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ +add yourself section, tweak instructions" (view diff)
# gregorlove.com edited /Mastodon (+111) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ see also /Bridgy_Fed#IndieWeb_Examples" (view diff)