#meta 2023-05-05

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tantek.com edited /Mastodon (+566) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ more distinction of adding here vs if you're using Bridgy Fed, add yourself there instead, or ActivityPub examples" (view diff)
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[tantek] good call gRegor on that see also of Bridgy Fed, I added some guidance for distinguish Mastodon, ActivityPub, and BridgyFed IndieWeb Examples. Perhaps review ^
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gRegor Looks good
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tantek.com edited /ActivityPub (+38) "/* Lots more Bridgy Fed users */ main Bridgy Fed examples" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /pop-up (+19) "/* Past */ +2022/Pop-ups" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Category:Pop-ups (+121) "link dfn, generic link for upcoming instead of updating yearly, how to add pages to category" (view diff)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-05-05.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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jamesg.blog edited /mascot (+238) "Add arguments for cat mascot" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /Bluesky (+462) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /Bluesky (+199) "Add example bsky.link posts" (view diff)
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capjamesg [tantek] Re: a mushroom mascot: https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Mooshroom
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-05-05.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-05-05.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-05-05.html
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jacky.wtf edited /Bluesky (+154) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add self to use" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-05-05.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-05-05.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-05-05.html
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bkil Do you think it would be valuable to maintain compatibility with Opera Mini and UC Mini browser? Or to support phones you can purchase to this day having small screens (240x320). (This is separate from the implementation choice of going JS-free, because these can also run JS) https://indieweb.org/js;dr
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tantek.com edited /discuss (+76) "/* meta */ add a few more explicit items to hopefully help chat about chat go to meta first" (view diff)
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bkil The RSS feed of the wiki looks less than ideal in that resolution. Otherwise, the fixed size of the left mediawiki panel leaves only a few words of width to the article itself in lower resolution and the search box overlaps everything. The sponsor alt text if you disable images also overflows the width badly. This sponsor overflow and toolbar overlap can also be reproduced if you open devtools in a desktop browser and enable the mobile device toolbar (e.g.,
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bkil JioPhone 2). The search input box on the main page has a submit button labeled "Search", but the one on the wiki I can only see an image button without alt and some funky CSS - and you can't press enter on a mobile. I now see there are two search buttons partially overlapping each other that causes this.
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-05-05.html
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aaronpk there's something wrong with the theme right now and needs to be fixed for all screen sizes
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aaronpk i don't understand what happened but it has to do with the version of mediawiki and the skin
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-05-05.html
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bkil I'm still waiting for your feedback about intended support, but I think the root cause of why the chat is not working is that it seems to listen to keypress events and check for keyCode==13, while mobile devices do not have a keyboard, and Opera Mini specifically ignores this event. It is best practice to only use (body.onLoad), onSubmit, onClick and optionally onChange, but it also simulates mouseover, mousedown and mouseup within forms in a dumb manner and
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bkil focus and blur in even less cases. It should support cookies, XMLHttpRequest (along with setTimeout and setInterval) as long as it completes within 5 seconds. I don't think that it supports hashchange, but that's harmless. PushStream won't work either, but I think that should degrade gracefully by a user clicking on the name of a channel when they wish to update the log. https://dev.opera.com/articles/opera-mini-content-authoring-guidelines/
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aaronpk oh the chat? i thought you were talking about the wiki
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bkil Well, I was talking about both, but only tried logging in the chat. Reading of the chat works, though, as well as searching.
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aaronpk i don't know, this seems like a pretty small user base to go through a bunch of hoops to support
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bkil The chat looks a bit better on a small screen, but still falls apart a bit on 240x320.
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aaronpk if there are changes that would benefit all browsers that sounds fine, but I'm not particularly interested in spending a bunch of time getting things working for the 3 people who want to use a tiny 240x320 screen
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bkil Could you share which screen resolution I should be testing at?
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aaronpk also at that point they can just use a real chat app to join any of the bridged platforms
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bkil Feature phones only have Facebook, WhatsApp and Opera Mini or UC Browser.
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bkil Even before diving into how Opera Mini/UC Mini compatibility can be achieved, I followed the best practice of only embedding input elements within forms and using onsubmit events (that are also by default invoked by pressing enter within an input control if a submit button is also present). For one wanting to submit a comment on enter within a textarea, such a keypress handler is also admissible as long as it invokes submit and a submit button is also present
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bkil as a fallback for users without a means to press enter.
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bkil I understand that you don't want to jump through many hoops, hence why I didn't ask for rewriting the whole thing to nojs and such. And at the same time wanted to gauge your opinion about this.
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aaronpk well i am not claiming the chat is perfect by any means, and I'm willing to accept fixes for it, but I do not have bandwidth to do more significant changes or even review significant changes
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[tantek] bkil, if you can state these as specific issues with specific actual browsers/devices that you're using, you may file them in GitHub per https://indieweb.org/discuss#Suggestions
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[tantek] I see you already filed one suggestion there April 2
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bkil Thanks. I'll see whether I can submit an easy patch for it and drop it otherwise.
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[tantek] oof, I wonder if we have anyone from India in here that can confirm or suggest which chat app(s) they are using to access IndieWeb chat channels? https://element.io/blog/india-bans-flagship-client-for-the-matrix-network/
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tantek.com edited /mascot (+333) "upgrade Cats to their own subsection, note drawback: cats already mascot of the internet as a whole per Wikipedia" (view diff)
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[tantek] ^ anyone else want to express their opinions for a mascot (emoji) for the IndieWeb?
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capjamesg I vote cats.
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capjamesg :P
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[tantek] capjamesg, but seriously, cats already mean "internet" — how do they uniquely express "indieweb" for you beyond just "internet"?
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[schmarty] cats are very independent 😼
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bkil Nerdie face cat then? 🤓 + 🐈‍⬛
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[tw2113_Slack_] they can get their own cheeseburger now
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[schmarty] haha thx https://emojimix.app/
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[schmarty] https://chat-uploads.indieweb.org/files/2023/05/meta-20230505-204827-emojimix.app_79_145.png
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aaronpk omg
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aaronpk [schmarty]++
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Loqi [schmarty] has 15 karma in this channel over the last year (47 in all channels)
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[schmarty] bkil++ lovely idea 😄
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Loqi bkil has 4 karma in this channel over the last year (8 in all channels)
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aaronpk i am glad that image is forever archived in the chat logs
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[schmarty] hahaha yeah i didn't expect slack to just blat it out like that, either. i guess slack considers image _filesize_ rather than image dimensions when deciding whether or not to show the preview by default 😂
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Loqi nice
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[tantek] reinforcing indieweb-is-(only)-for-nerds does not seem like a positive tbh, it's too much of a misconception already 😕
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tantek.com edited /lost_infrastructure (+140) "TOC, Brainstorming / comparing ActivityPub or Bluesky" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /lost_infrastructure (+4) "fix heading nesting" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /lost_infrastructure (-1) "-cr" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Bluesky (+383) "stub Features section" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Bluesky (+151) "API / Protocols, link to Federation Architecture post" (view diff)
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[tantek] ^ those of you using Bluesky, please add your favorite feature(s) to https://indieweb.org/Bluesky#Features - thanks!
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tantek.com edited /Bluesky (+92) "separate page for AT Protocol? minor See Also re-orderings" (view diff)
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I love that emoji.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I agree with [tantek] re: the nerd connotations though.
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[tantek] yes I find the emoji hilarious and personally appealing also. nerdcat++
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Loqi nerdcat has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] but would not use it to represent IndieWeb or IndieWeb community
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Yes indeed.
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tantek.com edited /Micro.blog (+233) "/* Syndication */ from micro.blog, explicitly note list of other services, including Bluesky, with blog post citation, formerly Twitter" (view diff)
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[tantek] ^ [manton] to confirm, http://micro.blog no longer supports POSSEing to Twitter right? Or did I mishear/misread that somewhere?
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-05-05.html
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tantek.com edited /Micro.blog (+243) "update dfn to focus more on user features" (view diff)
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[manton] [tantek] It supports POSSE to Twitter until July 15th, then I’ll disable it. I decided to pay Twitter to keep the API going a little longer for people.
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[tantek] got it. fixing
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tantek.com edited /Micro.blog (+38) "Twitter until July 15 per manton in chat" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-05-05.html