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2023-09-18 UTC
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tantek.com edited /Lektor (+80) "dfn grammar, link, SA" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Lektor (+80) "stub IndieWeb Examples section" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Lektor (+7) "+TOC" (view diff)
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[capjamesg] Homebrew Website Club was on HN for ~17 hours. I appreciate all of the kind people who shared their personal websites and thoughts on the web on the thread!
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[tantek] Amazing and nicely done capjamesg++
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Loqi capjamesg has 26 karma in this channel over the last year (125 in all channels)
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[schmarty] that's a lot of underscores for Loqi
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[tantek] indeed. aaronpk, has Loqi been spinning off child Loqis with underscores?
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Loqi [Event Updated] jamesg.blog updated "Sep 22, 2023 6:00am September 2023 SWICG Community Meeting" changed meeting_url, description https://events.indieweb.org/event/514/history/1406/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] jamesg.blog updated "Sep 22, 2023 6:00am September 2023 SWICG Community Meeting" changed description https://events.indieweb.org/event/514/history/1407/diff
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[capjamesg] A quick reminder that the Social Web Community Group will meet on Friday, during which time we will be discussing whether to form a Working Group to advance existing social web standards work done by the W3C, and what new ground we may want to cover. This is a great chance to help voice your opinion on what work you want to see done to improve existing IndieWeb standards (i.e. GitHub Issues to be moved into a spec) and
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[capjamesg] ActivityPub.
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[capjamesg] https://events.indieweb.org/2023/09/september-2023-swicg-community-meeting-TA731v5tOpFY
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Loqi [Event Updated] jamesg.blog updated "Sep 22, 2023 6:00am September 2023 SWICG Community Meeting" changed description https://events.indieweb.org/event/514/history/1408/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] jamesg.blog updated "Sep 22, 2023 6:00am September 2023 SWICG Community Meeting" changed description https://events.indieweb.org/event/514/history/1409/diff
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omz13 [capjamesg] and/or [tantek] is there a document somewhere that details the process/lifecycle e.g. how drafts move to specs or whatever?
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omz13 For example, IndieAuth is a "Living Standard" but could it be more?
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[tantek] Living Standard is an end state for a specification.
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[tantek] For every specification there are always things "it could be more"
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[tantek] For IndieAuth in particular, two things:
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[tantek] 1 implementations documentation that is confirmed up to date with citations
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[tantek] 2 test suite
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[tantek] Then after that (or as soon as a test suite is started), a third
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[tantek] 3 implementations report of test suite results
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[tantek] omz13 as far as spec life cycle, every standards org does it differently
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[tantek] If you ask about a specific org, we can provide links
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omz13 I was asking in context of W3C
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omz13 For IndieAuth, there have been a few changes to the spec over the past year or two. Did IndieAuth.rocks track those changes? Last time I did a scan of the IndieWeb, very few people had moved to indieauth-metadata
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sknebel indieauth.rocks doesnt exist yet
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sknebel hence "test suite" being on the list above :D
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omz13 Talking of IndieAuth I need to raise a few nits against the spec (particular when using device not web bound clients)
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omz13 sknebel Being a pedant I will point out that that should be said on the landing page for indieauth.rocks instead of "coming soon" on a subpage
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GWG omz13: What sort?
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omz13 GWG Client Information Discovery assumes the client is a web client... things are a bit different when its a device client (e.g. native iOS app)
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aaronpk no that's addressed
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GWG omz13: I thought the explanation covers that
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aaronpk most iOS apps also have a web page about the app, the information goes there
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omz13 most is not all
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aaronpk i said most because it is true, and the remaining ones will need to add a web page if they want to publish client information
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aaronpk a website seems like a fitting place to publish information about an app that publishes content to the web
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omz13 its not explicitly stated that client_id and redirect_uri must use http(s) scheme
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aaronpk https://indieauth.spec.indieweb.org/#client-identifier
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aaronpk > Client identifier URLs MUST have either an https or http scheme
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omz13 zut
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sknebel redirect_uri doesnt have to be https
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sknebel "If a client wishes to use a redirect URL that has a different host than their client_id, or if the redirect URL uses a custom scheme (such as when the client is a native application)" https://indieauth.spec.indieweb.org/#redirect-url
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aaronpk that said, this is something we may want to revisit now that OAuth is strongly recommending only https URLs since native apps can do app-claimed URLs now
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sknebel could at least have a reference to wherever thats written down
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aaronpk it's barely written down yet, breaking news :)
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omz13 and FWIW on iOS and macOS you need to jump through some hoops (transport security settings) to have an app do even do http
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omz13 are there any recommendations vis-à-vis what level of TLS to do?
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Loqi [Event Updated] ragt.ag updated "Sep 22, 2023 6:00am September 2023 SWICG Community Meeting" changed description https://events.indieweb.org/event/514/history/1410/diff
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[capjamesg] angelo++
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Loqi angelo has 2 karma in this channel over the last year (10 in all channels)
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s​isoma When should I mark a wiki edit as a minor edit?
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gRegor It's fine not to most of the time. Minor wiki edits won't get announced here in #meta, so if you do use it, recommend only if it's for fixing a typo or adding a punctuation mark.
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s​isoma Fixing a broken link? : p
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gRegor Generally the notifications are preferred, gets more eyes on pages and can start discussions
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s​isoma That makes sense, thanks!
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sigmundur.morkore.fo edited /scrobble (+4) "/* Brainstorming */ Fix broken link to last.fm API for track scrobbles" (view diff)
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gRegor Welcome!
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[tantek] Thanks sisoma++
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Loqi sisoma has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] and yes fixing links I think is more than minor 🙂
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subvert.city created /User:Subvert.city (+134) "initial page" (view diff)
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