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[tantek] we are not (nor other website maintainers or event organizers) primarily disability justice advocates nor lawyers or judges. this is not philosophy but rather recognizing our goals & roles, and not confusing that with what others who have different goals do & say. this is why I keep citing examples of folks like us maintaining websites and organizing similar events.
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[tantek] I don't think it's fair to characterize any of the examples I gave of other experts (W3C) or good faith organizers (btconf, OSBridge) as using "weaker language".
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[tantek] nor would I say that any of those orgs are shrugging their shoulders.
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[tantek] Another big IndieWeb-specific distinction is the availability of labor itself for small sites and frankly all-volunteer events to commit to or promise anything at all. Best effort for one person with a personal site is very different than best effort for a small company with a website is different from a large corporation with a website.
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[tantek] to that extent, there's a strong benefit to making our own accessibility statement docs more approachable (and frankly, accessible themselves) to more people, instead of scaring people with high expectations which are more likely to result in inaction (or people not bothering to organize or volunteer for events)
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[tantek] I also prefer to model the behavior of people who have actually done the work and produced both personal sites and events with accessibility considerations, and improvements over time, rather than aspirations
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[tantek] done / are doing the work. There are probably also lessons to be learned by folks that did some work then burnt out, to help set upper bounds on what's sustainably possible with individual / volunteer labor
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tantek.com edited /2023/Nuremberg (+8) "/* Friday Informal Social */ +" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2023/Nuremberg (+8) "lower TOC" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Template:IndieWebCamp (+8) "put planning last in list" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2023/Nuremberg (-1) "move emojicon up" (view diff)
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[KevinMarks] What is rel-me?
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Loqi Using rel=me on a hyperlink indicates that its destination represents the same person or entity as the current page, which is a key building-block of web-sign-in and IndieAuth https://indieweb.org/rel%3D%22me%22
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[KevinMarks] rel-me << https://social.coop/@eloquence/111135380251540525
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Loqi ok, I added "https://social.coop/@eloquence/111135380251540525" to the "See Also" section of /rel-me https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=89408&oldid=89390
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[Jo] How many here are going to border:none?
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c​apjamesg Quite a few I believe!
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GWG I have to make a decision on NUE in general.
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sknebel [Jo]: I'll be at the IWC, but not border:none
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jeremycherfas I'll be at both
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[Jo] Interesting. I'm thinking of going to border:none but i'm very unsure so far… I think I'll make it to IWC just for saturday though
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sknebel true, you can do it as a daytrip probably
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[Jo] I can! And with the 49€ ticket too. Just takes longer.
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GWG I'm more excited about a IWC for the first time in years for me over another event
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c​apjamesg GWG you should go!
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Loqi [Event Updated] jamesg.blog updated "Sep 27, 2023 7:00pm Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" changed meeting_url https://events.indieweb.org/event/516/history/1420/diff
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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Loqi [Event Updated] jamesg.blog updated "Sep 27, 2023 7:00pm Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" changed description https://events.indieweb.org/event/516/history/1421/diff
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[tantek] lol I just got this from http://events.indieweb.org: "DB / Database Error: Could not connect to database" when trying to save a new event I was creating
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[tantek] just tried again aarronpk, https://events.indieweb.org/create is giving "DB / Database Error: Could not connect to database" when trying to save a new event. giving up for now.
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk linode did a live migration a little bit ago i wonder if that's related
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aaronpk no i suspect this is related to my recent changes actually
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aaronpk it says that message if there is any error with the database, not just a connection error
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Loqi [New Event] aaronparecki.com created "Sep 29, 2023 Test 2" https://events.indieweb.org/1P0VEOZyR3T2
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aaronpk ok fixed
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aaronpk [tantek]: i assume this is the event you were tryign to create? https://events.indieweb.org/2023/09/the-federated-data-transfer-miniconference-kwAXR8DxbyFc
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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[tantek] hah yes! did it somehow work despite the db error message?
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aaronpk it got part way through creating the event
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capjamesg !archive https://etherpad.indieweb.org/hwc-europe-2023-09-27 events/hwc-europe-2023-09-27
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cali.jamesg.blog created /events/hwc-europe-2023-09-27 (+1129) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver" (view diff)
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/hwc-europe-2023-09-27. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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jamesg.blog edited /events/hwc-europe-2023-09-27 (-165) "clean up meeting notes" (view diff)
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