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lucien.nogues.ca
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[tantek]
Not entirely IndieWeb related, but perhaps something we have been able to avoid through focusing use of our principles and our continuous asking for real world examples, and asking for how does this impact what you want for your own website: is there a term or phrase when someone takes a specific proposition/question, then expands its scope in a seemingly reasonable (perhaps good faith misinterpretation) manner, then argues against that
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[tantek]
expanded scope proposition/question (e.g. as being too hard, intractable, boiling the ocean, impossible, etc.) as a way to dismiss the original proposition/question?
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[tantek]
I checked Wikipedia's list of logical fallacies and didn't find one that fits that pattern
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[tantek]
As a working name for that fallacy, I am thinking "straw bloat" argument, as a variant or related to the strawman/person fallacy, where an argument is made by misstating the original proposition/question and then arguing against that.
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tantek.com
edited /2023-review (+95) "incorporate SA IndieWeb Examples into section, cluster, sort"
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[tantek]
capjamesg, where did we capture the practice of disclaiming any use of AI or just LLMs for the content on our sites?
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tantek.com
edited /to-do (+100) "lol we have both [[blog#Why]] and [[blogging#Why_to_blog]], which should be on their own page and linked from those pages"
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tantek.com
edited /2023-review (+121) "+ Stephanie Stimac post"
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[KevinMarks]
Is that a mixture of reductio ad absurdum and the excluded middle - you point out an exaggerated version of the claim as absurd so as to argue for something else?
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[tantek]
it's neither of those [KevinMarks], because both of those are a form of twisting and distracting specifically away from the claim, whereas this form of argument I've seen is specifically inclusive of the claim but goes far beyond it
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[tantek]
and the expanded scope is "reasonable" on its own as its topic, it's not "ad absurdum".
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paulrobertlloyd.com
edited /2023-review (+92) "Add extra review post for paulrobertlloyd"
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tantek.com
edited /wikifying (+22) "/* Do not copy from LLM generated text */ spell out Large Language Model for first reference in prose"
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tantek.com
edited /wikifying (+0) "/* Do not copy from LLM generated text */ lowercase, it's not a proper noun"
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[tantek]
what is a large language model
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "large language model" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "large language model is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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loqi.me
created /ChatGPT (+19) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]"
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[tantek]
large language model is (AKA <dfn>LLM</dfn>) usually in reference to a service, like [[OpenAI]]’s ChatGPT, that synthesizes text based on a massive set of prose typically crawled and indexed from the open web and other sources and [[wikifying#Do_not_copy_from_LLM_generated_text|should not be used to contribute content to the IndieWeb wiki]]; several IndieWeb sites disclaim any use thereof for their content.
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loqi.me
created /large_language_model (+439) "prompted by [tantek] and dfn added by [tantek]"
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[tantek]
seems appropriate for a new page in 2023
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loqi.me
created /LLM (+33) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]"
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tantek.com
created /generative_AI (+34) "until there's a need for a broader page that includes images. feel free to delete this redirect and create a new page instead when you have an IndieWeb-relevant dfn and content to add"
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tantek.com
edited /ai;dr (+342) "linky, see also, note cartoons blog post that was possible/likely inspiration for this page"
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tantek.com
edited /large_language_model (+401) "incorporate see alsos into article sections"
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[tantek]
well that's one new page for today. if I have time before midnight I may add another (I had intended to add a new page explicitly on "why blog" per the /to-do item I noted there)
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[tantek]
what is an LLM?
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Loqi
large language model is (AKA LLM) usually in reference to a service, like OpenAI’s ChatGPT, that synthesizes text based on a massive set of prose typically crawled and indexed from the open web and other sources and should not be used to contribute content to the IndieWeb wiki; several IndieWeb sites disclaim any use thereof for their content https://indieweb.org/LLM
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tantek.com
edited /2023-12-indieweb-gift-calendar (+35) "new [[large language model]] page, seems appropriate for a 2023 new page"
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tantek.com
edited /large_language_model (+68) "link blog post about my disclaimer"
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tantek.com
edited /2023-12-indieweb-gift-calendar (+110) "blog post about writing posts, hopefully a useful enough tip for other IndieWeb folks to use or refer to!"
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tantek.com
edited /post (+141) "/* What to post next */ related, capture first, publish later"
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