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[tantek] capjamesg, as promised that list of links of articles & videos from the microformats wiki for your review: http://microformats.org/wiki/mailing-lists#Why_to_avoid_negative_behaviors
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capjamesg Thank you!
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# paulrobertlloyd.com created /User:Paulrobertlloyd.com/vector.css (+1435) "Try revised homepage styles with legacy vector theme" (view diff)
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] So, it would seem less than easy to share a link to a demo of the homepage and theme tweaks, but I guess it’s possible to try them yourself by editing your own custom css user stylesheets, and viewing a version of an updated homepage:
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] • Revised homepage: https://indieweb.org/User:Paulrobertlloyd.com/sandbox/vector-2022-homepage
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] • Custom styles to use with Vector 2010 theme selected: https://indieweb.org/User:Paulrobertlloyd.com/vector.css
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] • Custom styles to use with Vector 2022 theme selected (also includes some wider theme tweaks): https://indieweb.org/User:Paulrobertlloyd.com/vector-2022.css
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] (With the Vector 2022 version of the homepage, we could perhaps hide the toolbar, to make it a little bit cleaner still.)
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] With toolbar hidden
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] With toolbar hidden, and Main menu shown:
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Right, enough fiddling, time for bed! 😴
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-01-19.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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# [Al_Abut] That looks good, definitely expands on the idea of a top summary separated from the rest. Especially without the toolbar.
# [Al_Abut] And it’s not black, right? Looks brown to me, like a darker variant of the light beige below it, so it doesn’t come across as a warning at all. A warning or error would be if it’s an alarm color - e.g. yellow, red, orange, etc - especially if paired with an icon or verbiage.
# [Al_Abut] I just realized that it brought to the top some verbiage that was already there but a bit buried. Nicely done!
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# Loqi [New Event] david.shanske.com created "Jan 31, 2024 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club - Pacific" https://events.indieweb.org/l8jJrVJmiF7q
# kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+176) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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# [Paul_Robert_Ll] [tantek] I agree with the dark box at the top, it is quite overwhelming, more so since I moved some of the intro text into it. Will try an alternative.
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Updated block colours (using pastel versions of the colours from https://indieweb.org/Indieweb_color_palette) that reflect the emoji used for each section. First block is now grey, matching the sidebar colour. Again, best viewed by adding/updating the homepage styles in this file https://indieweb.org/User:Paulrobertlloyd.com/vector-2022.css and viewing the page directly:
# capjamesg [Paul_Robert_Ll]++
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# capjamesg tracydurnell[d] I saw on the 2021 homepage page that you'd be interested in contributing writing / graphics. It looks like there is a bit of movement on the homepage now, so if that offer is still on the table I'm sure we'd love to get to work on something!
# capjamesg (https://indieweb.org/2021/homepage)
# capjamesg [edit] (https://indieweb.org/2021/homepage)
# capjamesg aaronpk Is there a way we can add some meta graph info to the wiki to make the pages more welcoming to share?
# capjamesg Here is how a link to the wiki looks on Discord:
# capjamesg It would be nice if the definition was in the heading, and the title also had the "IndieWeb" name in it, too.
# capjamesg [Paul_Robert_Ll] reading over the homepage again, I wonder how we can inject more fun onto the page.
# capjamesg Another thing that would be nice is a "featured website" / maybe a grid of three websites of the week. Taken at random from chatnames, it's an easy way to find new websites.
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# capjamesg Which is something we talk so much about in different forms (carnivals, blogrolls, blog chains, linking, indieweb.rocks, etc.).
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Agree about adding more fun; I think our use emoji helps with that, maybe the ones I currently have in each section could be larger?
# capjamesg This is related to the "People - if we're going to call ourselves a people-centric web we really should show some people 😉 Could take a variety of forms like:" suggestion on the 2021 homepage.
# capjamesg [Paul_Robert_Ll] Agreed re: the emojis. They look really nice!
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Just want to point out that the immediate goal is to have an updated version of the homepage that doesn’t break with vector 2022 selected, helping transition to that theme being the default.
# capjamesg If we add such a grid, it would be nice to have a link to the IndieWeb Stream (to show that people here are actively doing things on their own websites), and maybe the posts about the IndieWeb page.
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] But beyond that, sign me up for helping out with further improvements
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jeremycherfas I would disagree with this statemernt from /projects. "Known has an active IndieWeb development community:"
# capjamesg [Paul_Robert_Ll] Yeah! I'm happy to help with improvements too!
# capjamesg My suggestions above are in the category of new changes, separate from getting the theme to work.
# capjamesg (which, agreed, is the most important thing right now :D)
# capjamesg On a separate note, I think the HWC image should be taken from a recent online HWC (with permission from all pictured) rather than an in person event from 4-5 years ago.
# capjamesg [Paul_Robert_Ll] I keep looking at your screenshots of the homepage and I'm thinking "this is amazing!"
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] :smiling_face_with_3_hearts: Thank-you capjamesg
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# capjamesg Why is there such a dearth of good extensions for this purpose?
# capjamesg 😄
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aaronpk I'll look into this one https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenGraphMeta
# aaronpk test https://indieweb.org/projects
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# aaronpk test
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# aaronpk hi?
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# aaronpk i can get like 7 bots joined before it errors
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# aaronpk it seems to route the messages for any users that didn't end up with a bot through the gateway, so that is an ok fallback
# aaronpk only downside is it doesn't pull author info from /chat-names, i'll have to work on that later
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capjamesg[d] Yayyy!
# capjamesg[d] Neat!
# aaronpk If you read the docs for the extension there's a way to choose an image to use in the preview too
# capjamesg[d] Is that the
{{#setmainimage:Filename.ext}} text?# capjamesg[d] What needs to happen to get [Paul_Robert_Ll]'s version of the homepage live?
# capjamesg[d] It feels like a big improvement over what we have right now.
# capjamesg[d] I think the screenshot(s) give a good insight!
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-01-19.html
# aaronpk i just made the chat logs show images from the slack gateway inline https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2024-01-19
# capjamesg[d] Oh wow!
# capjamesg[d] Nice!!!
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# capjamesg[d] I wish the Discord names had the profile pictures too but that doesn’t really matter.
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[schmarty] woah! aaronpk++ amazing bridge construction 🌉
# [schmarty] whoops forgot my loqi-isms. aaronpk++
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-01-19.html
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# capjamesg[d] Can we make the wiki font size a bit bigger?
# capjamesg[d] Wikipedia's looks larger.
# capjamesg[d] I have to zoom in 10% for the text to be easier to read.
# aaronpk test
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# capjamesg[d] Yay!!
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# mattbcool amazing! so whats the master list of everything being bridged here? Is there also a Matrix room?
# mattbcool is it:
# mattbcool> Bridged with #indieweb-meta on irc.libera.chat and #meta on Slack; published on chat.indieweb.org. Do not use threads, because our common denominator is IRC.
# mattbcool [edit] is it: IRC, Slack and is it static at chat.indieweb or is that also live?
# mattbcool> Bridged with #indieweb-meta on irc.libera.chat and #meta on Slack; published on chat.indieweb.org. Do not use threads, because our common denominator is IRC.
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# MattbCool hello from the web
# mattbcool edited discord message 🌽
# mattbcool [edit] edited discord message 🍿
# mattbcool I know a PM at discord and will send them this request
# aaronpk you can mention that slack has the option to disable editing https://media.aaronpk.com/2024/01/19085829-9186.png
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-01-19.html
# capjamesg[d] aaronpk Is there an easy way to embed the profiles of the top active users (https://indieweb.org/Special:ActiveUsers) onto the homepage?
# capjamesg[d] On our homepage we don't have any examples of actual personal websites, despite that being our thing.
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# capjamesg[d] I remember embedding most recently edited pages on Breakfast and Coffee's homepage.
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# www.jeremycherfas.net edited /User:Jeremycherfas.net (+128) "/* Jeremy Cherfas */ Tidying up and updating" (view diff)
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# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-01-19.html
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# capjamesg[d] aaronpk I'm not sure if you did this on purpose but Loqi now works in Discord 😄
# capjamesg[d] feels the luck.
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# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Is it helpful if I create a page on the wiki outlining the improvements to the homepage with screenshots, and using this change to enable the newer Vector theme? Happy to do so if it moves this forward.
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-01-19.html
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Okay, on it!
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] I’ll start 2024/homepage
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# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-01-19.html
# paulrobertlloyd.com created /2024/homepage (+2498) "Initial outline of homepage redesign reasoning, goals and proposal" (view diff)
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-01-19.html
# paulrobertlloyd.com edited /2024/homepage (+736) "Add screenshots of existing home and article page, on desktop and mobile screens." (view diff)
# paulrobertlloyd.com edited /Special:Log/upload () "uploaded a new version of "[[File:2023-homepage-desktop.png]]"" (view diff)
# paulrobertlloyd.com edited /Special:Log/upload () "uploaded a new version of "[[File:2023-homepage-desktop-vector-2022.png]]"" (view diff)
# paulrobertlloyd.com edited /2024/homepage (+584) "Add screenshots of proposed home and article page, on desktop and mobile screens." (view diff)
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-01-19.html
# paulrobertlloyd.com edited /2024/homepage (+412) "Add instructions on how to preview the proposed design" (view diff)
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# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Okay, think I’ve covered everything on https://indieweb.org/2024/homepage - let me know if you need more info!
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campegg.com created /User:Campegg.com/common.css (+2617) "Created page with "/* * Update Vector 2022 styles to use system-ui font and other adjustments. * This brings the design of the site closer inline with events.indieweb.org * and makes it look a little less like Wikipedia. */ .mw-body h1, .mw-body-content h1, .mw-body-content h2, .mw-page-container, .mw-page-title-main, .mw-page-title-namespace, .mw-page-title-separator, .mw-headline, .mw-first-heading
{ font-family: system-ui, sans-serif; } .mw-body-content h1, .mw-headline, .mw-page..."" (view diff)# capjamesg[d] [Paul_Robert_Ll]++
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Yay, thanks all!
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "homepage brainstorming" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "homepage brainstorming is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# capjamesg[d] Sure thing.
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-01-19.html
# capjamesg[d] Of note, to the extent we can do, the better. Because I'm more interested in building things (with others' input) 😉
# Loqi site-homepage is an ongoing project to iteratively improve the IndieWeb.org site homepage to make it more responsive, and more accessible & useful to more generations https://indieweb.org/homepage_redesign
# capjamesg[d] That's the one I have been reading
# [tantek] capjamesg checkout the new suggested live modules there in particular. I think I need to make subheadings for them because some of their prose descriptions have gotten quite long https://indieweb.org/site-homepage#New_live_modules
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gRegor aaronpk, short links to create wiki pages appear broken: https://indieweb.org/s/12Rd from above says "not found"
# capjamesg[d] I think they are all good ideas.
# capjamesg[d] I'd place a personal website one ahead it them though.
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "test-2" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "test-2 is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "homepage brainstorming" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "homepage brainstorming is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi site-homepage is an ongoing project to iteratively improve the IndieWeb.org site homepage to make it more responsive, and more accessible & useful to more generations https://indieweb.org/homepage_brainstorming
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-01-19.html
# paulrobertlloyd.com edited /MediaWiki_customizations () "(-994) Remove issues that have been fixed, add link to 2024/homepage" (view diff)
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# Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-01-19.html
# Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-01-19.html
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