#[tantek]Note the context that this was especially necessary for mailing lists. Ultimately we gave up on mailing lists because the labor required exceeded the community volunteer labor available
#[tantek]When a system requires unsustainable community labor, that system is inappropriate and undesirable for a sustainable community and should be avoided and or removed
#[Paul_Robert_Ll]So, it would seem less than easy to share a link to a demo of the homepage and theme tweaks, but I guess it’s possible to try them yourself by editing your own custom css user stylesheets, and viewing a version of an updated homepage:
#[Paul_Robert_Ll]Right, enough fiddling, time for bed! 😴
#[tantek]I’m curious about the use of the large black rectangle with inverted text on a otherwise plain white text page. Is that a known effective design approach for communicating a summary of a page or site? It strikes me more like a warning
#[Al_Abut]That looks good, definitely expands on the idea of a top summary separated from the rest. Especially without the toolbar.
#[Al_Abut]And it’s not black, right? Looks brown to me, like a darker variant of the light beige below it, so it doesn’t come across as a warning at all. A warning or error would be if it’s an alarm color - e.g. yellow, red, orange, etc - especially if paired with an icon or verbiage.
#[Al_Abut]I just realized that it brought to the top some verbiage that was already there but a bit buried. Nicely done!
#[tantek]on mobile it looked black, it was very jarring
#[tantek]I associate such high-contrast as a method of setting something apart as a very different kind or source of content, like a banner ad
#[tantek]I'd worry that any big high contrast block like that would result in banner blindness and being ignored
#[Paul_Robert_Ll][tantek] I agree with the dark box at the top, it is quite overwhelming, more so since I moved some of the intro text into it. Will try an alternative.
#capjamesgtracydurnell[d] I saw on the 2021 homepage page that you'd be interested in contributing writing / graphics. It looks like there is a bit of movement on the homepage now, so if that offer is still on the table I'm sure we'd love to get to work on something!
#capjamesgIt would be nice if the definition was in the heading, and the title also had the "IndieWeb" name in it, too.
#capjamesg[Paul_Robert_Ll] reading over the homepage again, I wonder how we can inject more fun onto the page.
#capjamesgAnother thing that would be nice is a "featured website" / maybe a grid of three websites of the week. Taken at random from chatnames, it's an easy way to find new websites.
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#capjamesgWhich is something we talk so much about in different forms (carnivals, blogrolls, blog chains, linking, indieweb.rocks, etc.).
#[Paul_Robert_Ll]Agree about adding more fun; I think our use emoji helps with that, maybe the ones I currently have in each section could be larger?
#capjamesgThis is related to the "People - if we're going to call ourselves a people-centric web we really should show some people 😉 Could take a variety of forms like:" suggestion on the 2021 homepage.
#capjamesg[Paul_Robert_Ll] Agreed re: the emojis. They look really nice!
#[Paul_Robert_Ll]Just want to point out that the immediate goal is to have an updated version of the homepage that doesn’t break with vector 2022 selected, helping transition to that theme being the default.
#capjamesgIf we add such a grid, it would be nice to have a link to the IndieWeb Stream (to show that people here are actively doing things on their own websites), and maybe the posts about the IndieWeb page.
#[Paul_Robert_Ll]But beyond that, sign me up for helping out with further improvements
#jeremycherfasI would disagree with this statemernt from /projects. "Known has an active IndieWeb development community:"
#capjamesg[Paul_Robert_Ll] Yeah! I'm happy to help with improvements too!
#capjamesgMy suggestions above are in the category of new changes, separate from getting the theme to work.
#capjamesg(which, agreed, is the most important thing right now :D)
#capjamesgOn a separate note, I think the HWC image should be taken from a recent online HWC (with permission from all pictured) rather than an in person event from 4-5 years ago.
#capjamesg[Paul_Robert_Ll] I keep looking at your screenshots of the homepage and I'm thinking "this is amazing!"
#capjamesg[d]What needs to happen to get [Paul_Robert_Ll]'s version of the homepage live?
#capjamesg[d]It feels like a big improvement over what we have right now.
#aaronpkis the current state of the new version documented somewhere on the wiki where people can take a look at it? It wasn't clear from the chat scrollback what is the latest version
#capjamesg[d]I think the screenshot(s) give a good insight!
#mattbcool> Bridged with #indieweb-meta on irc.libera.chat and #meta on Slack; published on chat.indieweb.org. Do not use threads, because our common denominator is IRC.
#mattbcool[edit] is it: IRC, Slack and is it static at chat.indieweb or is that also live?
#mattbcool> Bridged with #indieweb-meta on irc.libera.chat and #meta on Slack; published on chat.indieweb.org. Do not use threads, because our common denominator is IRC.
#aaronpki will submit a request to libera to increase the connection limit for the server
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#[Paul_Robert_Ll]Is it helpful if I create a page on the wiki outlining the improvements to the homepage with screenshots, and using this change to enable the newer Vector theme? Happy to do so if it moves this forward.
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#campegg.comcreated /User:Campegg.com/common.css (+2617) "Created page with "/* * Update Vector 2022 styles to use system-ui font and other adjustments. * This brings the design of the site closer inline with events.indieweb.org * and makes it look a little less like Wikipedia. */ .mw-body h1, .mw-body-content h1, .mw-body-content h2, .mw-page-container, .mw-page-title-main, .mw-page-title-namespace, .mw-page-title-separator, .mw-headline, .mw-first-heading { font-family: system-ui, sans-serif; } .mw-body-content h1, .mw-headline, .mw-page..."" (view diff)
#LoqiIt looks like we don't have a page for "homepage brainstorming" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "homepage brainstorming is ____", a sentence describing the term)
#[tantek]capjamesg, re: new/different features for the home page, I know we have a page for collecting such things with a bunch of suggested modules already inspired by some of Wikipedia's homepage modules
#[tantek]I'll see if I can find it, so you can both add to existing ideas there and contribute your new ideas too
#Loqisite-homepage is an ongoing project to iteratively improve the IndieWeb.org site homepage to make it more responsive, and more accessible & useful to more generations https://indieweb.org/homepage_redesign
#LoqiIt looks like we don't have a page for "homepage brainstorming" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "homepage brainstorming is ____", a sentence describing the term)
#Loqisite-homepage is an ongoing project to iteratively improve the IndieWeb.org site homepage to make it more responsive, and more accessible & useful to more generations https://indieweb.org/homepage_brainstorming
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