#meta 2024-02-09

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Loqi
Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-09.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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[Joe_Crawford]
Gregor++ for pix!
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Loqi
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paulrobertlloyd.com
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paulrobertlloyd.com
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[tantek]
[Paul_Robert_Ll]++ looking good! I spotted one copypasta of 68 middle st in the Travel / biking section
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Loqi
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[Paul_Robert_Ll]
Thanks tantek++. Copy/paste in the textarea has been behaving funny for me, unsure if Safari (likely, been very buggy lately) or MediaWiki.
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[Paul_Robert_Ll]
Ooh, this error is all me 😂
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[tantek]
Aha! Mental muscle memory 😂
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paulrobertlloyd.com
edited /2024/Brighton (+298) "Update bike travel section with details of Cycle Hub and outside attachment point"
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paulrobertlloyd.com
edited /Template:Infobox_person (-6) "Use .floatright class (at least for now) so can apply media queries in custom.css"
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[Paul_Robert_Ll]
☝ Trying something. Turns out you can’t use `style` element in Templates, so need to use CSS in `custom.css`. Looks like we don’t have the deprecated `.floatleft` / `.floatright` classes is `custom.css` or the Vector 2010 theme. Investigating what can be used…
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Loqi
Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-09.html
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kaja.sknebel.net
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Loqi
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paulrobertlloyd.com
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[Paul_Robert_Ll]
[tantek] ☝ Added some thoughts on adding styles to custom.css that would make the infoboxes mobile friendly. There’s not a way of adding styles to MediaWiki templates (not without adding a MediaWiki extension). Open to other ideas on how to make, manage and maintain stylistic changes like this, but it seems that inline styles, in case like this, can no longer cut it!
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Loqi
Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-09.html
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gregorlove.com
edited /events/2024-02-07-hwc-europe (+13) "event name in dfn"
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Loqi
Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-09.html
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Loqi
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gRegor
what is Nix
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Loqi
Nix is a cross-platform package manager and a language that specializes in building packages and specializing in reproduceable builds https://indieweb.org/Nix
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gregorlove.com
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gRegor
what is Nix
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Loqi
Nix is a package manager that helps developers have a consistent development environment, and at least one community member is experimenting with it https://indieweb.org/Nix
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gRegor
[Paul_Robert_Ll], does /2024/Brighton or the venue have a health and safety policy? Would be good to promote that on the event and ticketing pages
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_tommys
should i be unable to see the history in #indieweb-chat ?
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gRegor
Yeah, it's purposefully not logged
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_tommys
ok 🙂
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Loqi
Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-09.html
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Loqi
Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-09.html
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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Loqi
Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-09.html
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tantek.com
edited /static_web_hosting (+38) "copy edit dfn, grammar, get started"
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tantek.com
edited /static_web_hosting (+19) "good for web developers in particular"
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gregorlove.com
edited /Category:jargon (+0) "mv PDS into keywords list"
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Loqi
Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-09.html
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paulrobertlloyd.com
edited /2024/Brighton (+427) "Add health and safety section"
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Loqi
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[Paul_Robert_Ll]
Let me know if you think anything more could/shuold be added to this policy gRegor
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tantek.com
edited /2024/Brighton (-7) "dedupe any, slight grammar/wording"
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[tantek]
[Paul_Robert_Ll]++ that's a good start. Is there anything we can use from the IWC NUR experience to improve guidance for IWC BTN?
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Loqi
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[tantek]
Does the venue have windows that open and do the organizers plan to keep the windows open and/or have a fan to help with fresh air flow? Perhaps note if so in https://indieweb.org/2024/Brighton#Venue
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tantek.com
edited /Planning (+129) "IWC is planned and tickets are available"
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tantek.com
edited /2024/Brighton (+5) "/* Health and Safety */ +RSV symptoms"
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tantek.com
edited /2023/SD (-73) "some past tenses"
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manton.org
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tantek.com
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[Paul_Robert_Ll]
I removed RSV as that’s not a known or well-used term here, I don’t think. But I guess relevant to international audience.
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capjamesg
RSV is a respiratory illness?
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Loqi
Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-09.html
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[Paul_Robert_Ll]
I looked it up and still not much clearer!
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[aciccarello]
I've heard about RSV mostly in the context of kids getting sick though adults can get it too.
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tantek.com
edited /Bluesky (+144) "rewrite dfn to actual topical relevance instead of sounding like a bio/origin story, move corp stuff to its own section"
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gRegor
Yeah, opportunistic RSV infections have increased after covid infections. CDC recommended an RSV vax for first time last year, for adults 60+. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7240a2.htm
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[tantek]
[Paul_Robert_Ll] looks like it was written about by BBC for the UK: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-63079378
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[tantek]
and yes it is very much part of the triple surge in Europe: https://www.ft.com/content/449c4748-ef63-4f0a-b26e-4e528889fac4
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tantek.com
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gRegor
For the second paragraph, I'd recommend something more like "In the 4-5 days before IndieWebCamp, try to avoid any situations that may risk exposure to contagious diseases and wear a high quality mask (N95, KN95, or similar rating) if you must enter such a setting (e.g. hospital, pharmacy, or public transit)."
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gRegor
borrowed a bit from /2023/SD
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[tantek]
Though the datapoints are small and there were many different variables/conditions, I will note that we had zero cases of transmission at 2023 IWC SD, and 1 possible case of transmission during 2023 IWC NUR. Both are documented on their respective pages. In both events however we had at least one person that likely caught Covid before the event and was contagious during at least part of the event.
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gregorlove.com
edited /PDX (+31) "explicit p-summary (some punctuation cuts it short)"
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[tantek]
since empirically there has been at least one (known) likely contagious person during the past two IWCs, it makes sense to take extra care in recommending precautions to limit and try to eliminate the potential for spread during IWCs
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sknebel
also a downside of events placed adjacent to other events
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[Paul_Robert_Ll]
Added mask rating
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tantek.com
edited /Category:jargon (+14) "+ATProto"
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[tantek]
sknebel, nah, just to need to schedule IWC *before* any adjacent events 😄
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sknebel
that way round is better, yes (assuming adjacent event is notably larger)
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[aciccarello]
Is tracking temporary site outages on the wiki worthwhile? I just noticed that the /Slack page has some outages in the "See also" section and I'm not sure why we care. I doubt it's an accurate reflection of reliability.
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[tantek]
aciccarello we track outages on centralized services to dispel the myth that large centralized services are so much more reliable than IndieWeb sites
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Loqi
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[tantek]
what is an outage
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Loqi
outage also known as down as in the opposite of "up" in the context of the indieweb, and refers to an interruption to a service or server, when it is not responding as it should, which could mean its DNS is not resolving, or the server is not responding, or it is responding with a particular error such as a 502 Bad Gateway https://indieweb.org/outage
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[aciccarello]
K, then I'll try to move those to it's own heading on the page.
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tantek.com
edited /downtime (+291) "Why / Why track, link Slack Downtime"
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capjamesg
aaronpk Do you have an alternative that you think would work?
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capjamesg
Something that people can join but isn’t broadcast.
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[tantek]
aciccarello ah I see what you're talking about, I'll stub a heading
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tantek.com
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[tantek]
feel free to add more
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aaronpk
what do you mean join?
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aaronpk
zoom call?
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capjamesg
I suppose.
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capjamesg
A Zoom call feels more like a scheduled event.
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capjamesg
Perhaps it should be?
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aaronpk
this is why i was asking what is the goal
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sknebel
or one of the web things if you dont want anyone having to explicitly start it
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sknebel
like some jitsi instance, no account needed etc
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sknebel
(i.e. use someones, no need to host your own)
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gRegor
Or Discord's audio/video channels, which people can jump in at any time (depending on permissions)
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gRegor
I presume we have those locked down on our discord though
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gRegor
Some other communities I'm in use that for virtual board game nights
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www.ciccarello.me
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[tantek]
jitsi could be good for this kind of informal thing
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[tantek]
until someone felt like scheduling a formal meeting of the Hombrew Wholebeans Club with proper introduction ceremony and all that
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Loqi
Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-09.html
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capjamesg
I could schedule that but the concern is time zones 😅
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capjamesg
Coffee is not something you can drink at any time of the day.
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capjamesg
I guess tea brewing could also be allowed!
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[tantek]
whether Homebrew Wholebean or Homebrew Wholeleaf, you are welcome
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capjamesg
I like that we are embracing the W.
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[tantek]
it's good alliteration
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sknebel
do I have to borrow the beer brewing machine at work now?
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capjamesg
Does it begin with W?
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sknebel
enough beer variants that start with W that one could brew :D
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capjamesg
Homebrew Wheat-or-coffee-or-tea-based-beverage Club
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capjamesg
Wait. Is beer wheat? Or hops?
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aaronpk
Homebrew Weißbier Club?
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Loqi
Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-09.html
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[tantek]
ok I should upload my IWC SD photos so that folks clicking through from the newsletter see more
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GWG
Possibly might be in Ireland just before IWC... not sure if stars might align
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gRegor
[tantek]++
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Loqi
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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gregorlove.com
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[tantek]
there's a couple of photos and page updates for any early newsletter clickers, will upload more now
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[tantek]
I have more coming gRegor 😄
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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[tantek]
is there a multi-upload UI for MediaWiki?